Happy Columbus Day!

[ESay]

The “problem” the Europeans brought was the end of the Stone Age in the Americas. It was the Indians who had a problem adjusting to the technological era dominate to the rest of the world.

As much as pre-Colombian life is romanticized, I really don’t think the Indians today would prefer to give up all our modern amenities and go back to living as their ancestors did 500 years ago. If any wish to try, I think it would make a great reality-TV show.

We already discussed that, and I don't see a reason to repeat that once again. No one talkes about return to a 'pre-Columbian' life. But I see growing American diversity as a form of historical justice.

 

[el midgetron]

We already discussed that, and I don't see a reason to repeat that once again. No one talkes about return to a 'pre-Columbian' life. But I see growing American diversity as a form of historical justice.

That implies you see it as punitive to whites.

 

[ESay]

That implies you see it as punitive to whites.

No, why punitive? Though, some number of Whites see it this way, and want to reverse this process, in futile. 'White' America is anomaly, not the other way around.

 

[Curried Goats]

The “problem” the Europeans brought was the end of the Stone Age in the Americas. It was the Indians who had a problem adjusting to the technological era dominate to the rest of the world.

As much as pre-Colombian life is romanticized, I really don’t think the Indians today would prefer to give up all our modern amenities and go back to living as their ancestors did 500 years ago. If any wish to try, I think it would make a great reality-TV show.

And now you're the stone age ignorant whites without college educations being replaced. Funny how that works out innit?

 

[el midgetron]

No, why punitive? Though, some number of Whites see it this way, and want to reverse this process, in futile. 'White' America is anomaly, not the other way around.

How is the “growing diversity” “a form of historical Justice” then?

Not sure why you see “white” as an anomaly. Please eleborate.

 

[ESay]

How is the “growing diversity” “a form of historical Justice” then?

Not sure why you see “white” as an anomaly. Please eleborate.

The Mexicans and Central Americans can be considered as far more direct descendants of the Natives than the White Americans. Thus, growing diversity is a form of historical justice.

The US has one of the lowest Indigenous/mestizo population per overall population ratio among the Amercas nations. That was achieved by not too decent things.

 

[el midgetron]

The Mexicans and Central Americans can be considered as far more direct descendants of the Natives than the White Americans. Thus, growing diversity is a form of historical justice.

How is it “Justice”?

 

[ESay]

How is it “Justice”?

Descendants of people that were forcefully removed from their land return to this land and settle there.

 

[el midgetron]

Descendants of people that were forcefully removed from their land return to this land and settle there.

“But I see growing American diversity as a form of historical justice.”

That’s a pretty specific section of people you are referring to. “Diversity” seems like a very broad term to use in reference to the descendent of just native Americans. This is especially true when the majority of “diversity” today is not indigenous to the Americas.

Keep in mind, “diversity” is also what came from Europe. Which you have argued wasn’t good for the Indians.

 

[ESay]

“But I see growing American diversity as a form of historical justice.”

That’s a pretty specific section of people you are referring to. “Diversity” seems like a very broad term to use in reference to the descendent of just native Americans. This is especially true when the majority of “diversity” today is not indigenous to the Americas.

Keep in mind, “diversity” is also what came from Europe. Which you have argued wasn’t good for the Indians.

Latin American is the second largest 'ethnic' group in the US. It is this group that gave the majority of foreign born citizens living in the US in the last decades. So, I don't see any contradiction.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The Mexicans and Central Americans can be considered as far more direct descendants of the Natives than the White Americans. Thus, growing diversity is a form of historical justice.

And millions of them are also descendants of the conquerors.

 

[el midgetron]

Latin American is the second largest 'ethnic' group in the US. It is this group that gave the majority of foreign born citizens living in the US in the last decades. So, I don't see any contradiction.

So on other words, “Justice” is not recognizing their individual cultural identities? Just lump them all in together as “Latinos”? Do you think the Indians if the Great Plains or Pacific Northwest consider themselves “Latino”?

First came the Europeans and the Indigenous people were decimated. Then came the liberals who erased their cultural identities and renamed them all “People of Color” or in your case “Latinos”…

The only people who think the balance of racial demographics equals “justice” are people who divide the population by race. Show me someone who shares my values and beliefs, and I couldn’t care less about the color of their skin or their country of origin.

 

[Dr.Know]

Columbus died in 1505 at the age of 55. He was such a monster that the king and queen of Spain refused to invite him to the kingdom after his voyage to the Americas because of how evil he was during his financed expedition. Word spread fast about how he and his men raped and tortured and murdered the indigenous people in the Caribbean islands.

He became a pariah. He had to flee Genova (Italy) because he raped a 13 year old girl and hid in Spain, where he was broke and bedridden and finally died while his relatives shunned him from the public due to the unthinkable acts he did while at sea. When he died, he was never recognized as an explorer or discoverer of a new world. He was thought of as a “gross character with Gonorrhea, who butchered kids.”

Many Years later, when Settlers were colonizing North America, they needed a white hero to name as the person who discovered the land to justify their colonization and mistreatment of Native Americans. they randomly chose Christofo Colombo because his name had “Christ” in it, and to make it sound more European and Christian, they changed his name to Christopher Columbus, even though he never stepped foot on American soil. Then schools started teaching it. And the rest is history. But the truth is he never discovered anything. He was lost and ended up in a chain of islands. He thought he was in India. He massacred peaceful island civilizations. He murdered men, women, and kids. He tortured and raped. He brought new diseases to each island he invaded. Giving this monster a holiday is insane. We know better. And now we do better. Happy indigenous People’s Day.

#FuckColumbus

Sounds like BILL CLINTON

 

[Dr.Know]

wait till the blue haired , black fingernail Social Justice Warriors ( obese, narcissistic and selfish) realize that they fxcked their future over by assisting the Deep State import millions of CHEAP WORKERS that will replace them.

They say , illegals are only doing the jobs that Americans dont want,,,that may have been true, BUT AI IS GETTING RID OF MILLIONS OF JOBS THAT AMERICANS DID WANT and those jobs that illegals took will be the only jobs left for the bulk of the populace.

Note to SJW's; Dont bother with college as it wont help you unless you are a minority ( most are spoil t white trash from the suburbs that are virtue signaling ). You should be advocating for "Assisted Suicide".

Let us not forget THE VIKINGS ( omg WHITE PEOPLE ! ) ARE ALSO PART OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE who migrated to North America , just as the Mongolians ( colloquially referred to as "Indians" ) did.

European view of Americans : Americans are like spoiled kids in a car going 100 miles per hour and heading for a brick wall while they fight over who gets to sit in the front seat.

 

[Hellbilly]

Sounds like BILL CLINTON

You sound like an idiot

 

[ESay]

And millions of them are also descendants of the conquerors.

Yes, indeed. But they have a much higher share of the Native/mestizo population than the US does. In the last census in Mexico where an ethnic background was underlined, 60% of the population was put in a mestizo bracket. After that, their government declared Mexico to be a 'nation of mestizos' and stopped count such numbers.

 

[ESay]

So on other words, “Justice” is not recognizing their individual cultural identities? Just lump them all in together as “Latinos”? Do you think the Indians if the Great Plains or Pacific Northwest consider themselves “Latino”?

First came the Europeans and the Indigenous people were decimated. Then came the liberals who erased their cultural identities and renamed them all “People of Color” or in your case “Latinos”…

The only people who think the balance of racial demographics equals “justice” are people who divide the population by race. Show me someone who shares my values and beliefs, and I couldn’t care less about the color of their skin or their country of origin.

The racial segregation and discrimination were a vital part of emerging the US as a nation. And it was deeply ingrained into the American society for generations. And when the tide was turned, you can't just pretend it never happened and blame 'liberals' for racial issues. Especially when there still are people around who know about that as their personal experience.

 

[el midgetron]

The racial segregation and discrimination were a vital part of emerging the US as a nation. And it was deeply ingrained into the American society for generations. And when the tide was turned, you can't just pretend it never happened and blame 'liberals' for racial issues. Especially when there still are people around who know about that as their personal experience.

A “vital” part of the emerging US? It was the status quo the world over. The emerging US normalized integrated societies, at least in our psyches. You are either pretending or falsely assuming that the pre-Columbian world was a multi-cultural utopia.

Unless you are defending segregation and discrimination, then the US’s history with those things is success story. Much like the US’s history with slavery. For some reason America is held uniquely accountable for slavery, rather then being recognized as world leader in the abolition of slavery, which was the status quo the around the globe.

 

[ESay]

A “vital” part of the emerging US? It was the status quo the world over. The emerging US normalized integrated societies, at least in our psyches. You are either pretending or falsely assuming that the pre-Columbian world was a multi-cultural utopia.

Unless you are defending segregation and discrimination, then the US’s history with those things is success story. Much like the US’s history with slavery. For some reason America is held uniquely accountable for slavery, rather then being recognized as world leader in the abolition of slavery, which was the status quo the around the globe.

Racial segregation and discrimination in the US (in a form of the law) existed through the 1960s. On an 'informal' level it existed to our days. Can't get how it is a success story.

America is in no way a leader in the abolition of slavery. In the Western world, it was France who can be considered as such, where slavery was formally abolished after the French revolution. Britain abolished slavery in the 1850s or so. By the time the US abolished, most of Latin America already did so (except of Brazil and some other parts). You definitely should clean your mind of 'American' history, and should start comprehend the real one.

 

[el midgetron]

Racial segregation and discrimination in the US (in a form of the law) existed through the 1960s. On an 'informal' level it existed to our days. Can't get how it is a success story.

Where in the world was a society as diverse as our the 1960’s? There was no official “segregation” in other countries because most were and many remain predominantly homogenous. But that’s not even entirely true. Many societies are still strictly segregated. For example, for the past 3,000 years India has a strictly segregated society based on social caste. America overcame the prejudice that was (and often still is) the status the status quo around the world.

America is in no way a leader in the abolition of slavery. In the Western world, it was France who can be considered as such, where slavery was formally abolished after the French revolution. Britain abolished slavery in the 1850s or so. By the time the US abolished, most of Latin America already did so (except of Brazil and some other parts). You definitely should clean your mind of 'American' history, and should start comprehend the real one.

America absolutely was a leader in the abolition of slavery. You are however correct about France and Britain. Although what you don’t seem to realize is that they, along with the US, were part of the same philosophical school which promoted the tenants of abolition. Those philosophical principles were rooted in Western civilization and Christianity. The West led the world out of slavery, with countries like France, Briton and the US leading the charge.

With Latin America, that wasn’t the indigenous people banning slavery, it was the again the Europeans. It was the same abolition movement being brought to the New World by migration Western Civilization.

“One conquistador, Bartolomé de las Casas, was sent to the Caribbean to conquer the land in the name of the Spanish crown. He was rewarded with an encomienda for the effort he gave in honor of the crown, but after years of seeing the poor treatment of indigenous people, he refused to allow such treatment to continue. Las Casas sailed back to Spain, asking King Ferdinand and his wife Isabella to ban Indigenous slavery. In return, he suggested the use of African slaves for the hard labor of the new farmlands in the Caribbean, as they had been enslaving their own in a continent-wide system since 700AD.[10]By this time, the Spanish had already been using African slaves bought from African Slaving Empires for some of their hard labor in Europe. Due to the persuasion of Las Casas, Queen Isabella of Castle forbade Indian slavery and deemed the indigenous to be "free vassals of the crown".[11]”

Slavery in Latin America - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

America might not have been the first, but they did enshrine in law the equality of all men in their newly written Constitution. *This is where liberals usually make the point that not everyone was equal at the time, which is true. However, it lacks the context of slavery being a universal institution around the globe since the beginning of human history. That kind of entrenched tradition isn’t shed over night.

It’s also arguable that no other country made as great a sacrifice to end slavery. Some 360,000 Union soldiers sacrificed their lives for the cause.