Happy Columbus Day!

[ESay]

Where in the world was a society as diverse as our the 1960’s? There was no official “segregation” in other countries because most were and many remain predominantly homogenous. But that’s not even entirely true. Many societies are still strictly segregated. For example, for the past 3,000 years India has a strictly segregated society based on social caste. America overcame the prejudice that was (and often still is) the status the status quo around the world.

And that again isn't true. Latin America is not less diverse, but even more in some aspects. And it became 'racially blind' far earlier than America did. Interracial marriages were okay there at least since the end 19th-early 20th centuries. And marriages I mean marriages, not rapes or swaying the maids.

America absolutely was a leader in the abolition of slavery. You are however correct about France and Britain. Although what you don’t seem to realize is that they, along with the US, were part of the same philosophical school which promoted the tenants of abolition. Those philosophical principles were rooted in Western civilization and Christianity. The West led the world out of slavery, with countries like France, Briton and the US leading the charge

The point was not the slavery per se. You claimed that America was a leader in the abolition of slavery. I told you it is not true. America was neither a leader nor the first one to do so. Actually, it was one of the last on the continent.

 

[Curried Goats]

Where in the world was a society as diverse as our the 1960’s? There was no official “segregation” in other countries because most were and many remain predominantly homogenous. But that’s not even entirely true. Many societies are still strictly segregated. For example, for the past 3,000 years India has a strictly segregated society based on social caste. America overcame the prejudice that was (and often still is) the status the status quo around the world.

The Deplorable hick population of the conservative white south have never gotten over their racism and bigotry. They get no credit for whatever progressive nature America has with race and culture because they've resisted that progress every step of the way. You really are a failure of American history, aren't you?

 

[el midgetron]

And that again isn't true. Latin America is not less diverse, but even more in some aspects. And it became 'racially blind' far earlier than America did.

Due to European influences…..

The point was not the slavery per se. You claimed that America was a leader in the abolition of slavery. I told you it is not true. America was neither a leader nor the first one to do so. Actually, it was one of the last on the continent.

Despite what your liberal teacher taught you, America was a leader in abolition. Slavery was banned by the United States in 1865. However, that is not the where the story begins. Prior to that sovereign states and states within the republic banned slavery.

“At the Constitutional Convention many slavery issues were debated and for a time slavery was a major obstacle to passage of the new constitution. As a compromise the institution of slavery was acknowledged although never mentioned directly in the constitution. An example is the Fugitive Slave Clause. By 1789, five of the Northern states had policies that started to gradually abolish slavery: Pennsylvania (1780), New Hampshire and Massachusetts (1783), Connecticut and Rhode Island (1784). Vermont abolished slavery in 1777, while it was still independent. When it joined the United States as the 14th state in 1791, it was the first state to join that had no slavery. By 1804 all of the northern states had abolished slavery or had plans in place to gradually reduce it.[3] There were 11 free states and 11 slave states. Later came the civil war.”

Slave states and free states - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In 1820, slave trading became a capital offense with an amendment to the 1819 Act to Protect the Commerce of the United States and Punish the Crime of Piracy.

In 1807 Congress pass the Act Prohibiting the Importation of slaves.

The US also produced several prominent abolitionists, like Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, and William Lloyd Garrison and Sojourner Truth.

The first organization dedicated to the abolition of slavery was a product of America. The “Society for the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage” was founded in 1775, in Philadelphia.

Even way back in the early colonial times, there was an abolition movement.

“The 1688 Germantown Quaker Petition against slavery was the first protest against African American slavery made by a religious body in the English colonies. It was drafted by Francis Daniel Pastorius, a young German attorney and three other Quakers living in Germantown, Pennsylvania (now part of Philadelphia) on behalf of the Germantown Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends to raise the issue of slavery with the Quaker Meeting which they attended.”

Germantown Quaker Petition Against Slavery (U.S. National Park Service)

A brief overview of the 1688 Germantown Quaker Petition Against Slavery.

www.nps.gov

 

[ESay]

Due to European influences…..


Despite what your liberal teacher taught you, America was a leader in abolition. Slavery was banned by the United States in 1865. However, that is not the where the story begins. Prior to that sovereign states and states within the republic banned slavery.

“At the Constitutional Convention many slavery issues were debated and for a time slavery was a major obstacle to passage of the new constitution. As a compromise the institution of slavery was acknowledged although never mentioned directly in the constitution. An example is the Fugitive Slave Clause. By 1789, five of the Northern states had policies that started to gradually abolish slavery: Pennsylvania (1780), New Hampshire and Massachusetts (1783), Connecticut and Rhode Island (1784). Vermont abolished slavery in 1777, while it was still independent. When it joined the United States as the 14th state in 1791, it was the first state to join that had no slavery. By 1804 all of the northern states had abolished slavery or had plans in place to gradually reduce it.[3] There were 11 free states and 11 slave states. Later came the civil war.”

Slave states and free states - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

In 1820, slave trading became a capital offense with an amendment to the 1819 Act to Protect the Commerce of the United States and Punish the Crime of Piracy.

In 1807 Congress pass the Act Prohibiting the Importation of slaves.

The US also produced several prominent abolitionists, like Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, and William Lloyd Garrison and Sojourner Truth.

The first organization dedicated to the abolition of slavery was a product of America. The “Society for the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage” was founded in 1775, in Philadelphia.

Even way back in the early colonial times, there was an abolition movement.

“The 1688 Germantown Quaker Petition against slavery was the first protest against African American slavery made by a religious body in the English colonies. It was drafted by Francis Daniel Pastorius, a young German attorney and three other Quakers living in Germantown, Pennsylvania (now part of Philadelphia) on behalf of the Germantown Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends to raise the issue of slavery with the Quaker Meeting which they attended.”

Germantown Quaker Petition Against Slavery (U.S. National Park Service)

A brief overview of the 1688 Germantown Quaker Petition Against Slavery.

www.nps.gov

That again, I see nothing unique that would describe America as a leader in the abolitionism. Such movements existed in Europe and Latin America too. Slavery in the US (okay, in some certain states) existed till 1865. By this time, almost all US neighbours in Americas got already rid of that.

 

[el midgetron]

That again, I see nothing unique that would describe America as a leader in the abolitionism. Such movements existed in Europe and Latin America too. Slavery in the US (okay, in some certain states) existed till 1865. By this time, almost all US neighbours in Americas got already rid of that.

America was a leader in the abolition of slavery. Show me a country, that isn’t Britain and isn’t France that made a greater contribution to, and had more ideological influence towards the abolition of slavery beyond its boarders.

Show me non-American advocates for abolition that reached a greater audience and had a greater influence than the American Abolitionists.

Show me where a non-European abolitionists have made an effort to abolish slavery beyond their local justification.

You have done none of these things, to counter what I have argued.

In the United States, all the states north of Maryland abolished slavery between 1777 and 1804. But antislavery sentiments had little effect on the centres of slavery themselves: the massive plantations of the Deep South, the West Indies, and South America. Turning their attention to these areas, British and American abolitionists began working in the late 18th century to prohibit the importation of enslaved Africans into the British colonies and the United States. Under the leadership of William Wilberforce and Thomas Clarkson, these forces succeeded in getting the slave trade to the British colonies abolished in 1807. The United States prohibited the importation of slaves that same year, though widespread smuggling continued until about 1862.

Abolitionism | Movement, U.S. History, Leaders, & Definition | Britannica

Abolitionism, movement between about 1783 and 1888 that was chiefly responsible for creating the emotional climate necessary for ending the transatlantic slave trade and chattel slavery. Between the 16th and 19th centuries an estimated total of 12 million enslaved Africans were forcibly...

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Ultimately you are welcome to you opinion. But without support, that’s all it is.

 

[Curried Goats]

America was a leader in the abolition of slavery. Show me a country, that isn’t Britain and isn’t France that made a greater contribution to, and had more ideological influence towards the abolition of slavery beyond its boarders.

Show me non-American advocates for abolition that reached a greater audience and had a greater influence than the American Abolitionists.

Show me where a non-European abolitionists have made an effort to abolish slavery beyond their local justification.

You have done none of these things, to counter what I have argued.

In the United States, all the states north of Maryland abolished slavery between 1777 and 1804. But antislavery sentiments had little effect on the centres of slavery themselves: the massive plantations of the Deep South, the West Indies, and South America. Turning their attention to these areas, British and American abolitionists began working in the late 18th century to prohibit the importation of enslaved Africans into the British colonies and the United States. Under the leadership of William Wilberforce and Thomas Clarkson, these forces succeeded in getting the slave trade to the British colonies abolished in 1807. The United States prohibited the importation of slaves that same year, though widespread smuggling continued until about 1862.

Abolitionism | Movement, U.S. History, Leaders, & Definition | Britannica

Abolitionism, movement between about 1783 and 1888 that was chiefly responsible for creating the emotional climate necessary for ending the transatlantic slave trade and chattel slavery. Between the 16th and 19th centuries an estimated total of 12 million enslaved Africans were forcibly...

www.britannica.com

Ultimately you are welcome to you opinion. But without support, that’s all it is.

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All you're arguing is opinion you fucking moron.

 

[ESay]

America was a leader in the abolition of slavery. Show me a country, that isn’t Britain and isn’t France that made a greater contribution to, and had more ideological influence towards the abolition of slavery beyond its boarders.

Show me non-American advocates for abolition that reached a greater audience and had a greater influence than the American Abolitionists.

Show me where a non-European abolitionists have made an effort to abolish slavery beyond their local justification.

You have done none of these things, to counter what I have argued.

In the United States, all the states north of Maryland abolished slavery between 1777 and 1804. But antislavery sentiments had little effect on the centres of slavery themselves: the massive plantations of the Deep South, the West Indies, and South America. Turning their attention to these areas, British and American abolitionists began working in the late 18th century to prohibit the importation of enslaved Africans into the British colonies and the United States. Under the leadership of William Wilberforce and Thomas Clarkson, these forces succeeded in getting the slave trade to the British colonies abolished in 1807. The United States prohibited the importation of slaves that same year, though widespread smuggling continued until about 1862.

Abolitionism | Movement, U.S. History, Leaders, & Definition | Britannica

Abolitionism, movement between about 1783 and 1888 that was chiefly responsible for creating the emotional climate necessary for ending the transatlantic slave trade and chattel slavery. Between the 16th and 19th centuries an estimated total of 12 million enslaved Africans were forcibly...

www.britannica.com

Ultimately you are welcome to you opinion. But without support, that’s all it is.

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Why should I exclude Britain and France? Even if assume that America was third behind them in this movement, it cannot be a leader by default. Maybe I wouldn't have put my objections had you claimed at least 'one of the leaders'. But your silly American exceptionalism puts you in a silly position of rationalizing irrational.

 

[el midgetron]

Why should I exclude Britain and France? Even if assume that America was third behind them in this movement, it cannot be a leader by default. Maybe I wouldn't have put my objections had you claimed at least 'one of the leaders'. But your silly American exceptionalism puts you in a silly position of rationalizing irrational.

I said “a leader” not “the leader”. If the plain English wasn’t clear enough for you, I have acknowledged Britain and France were both leaders of abolition several times in our exchange. FFS, the lengths liberals go to deny history is ridiculous.

 

[ESay]

I said “a leader” not “the leader”. If the plain English wasn’t clear enough for you, I have acknowledged Britain and France were both leaders of abolition several times in our exchange. FFS, the lengths liberals go to deny history is ridiculous.

Sure, mate. Haiti also was a leader. And Mexico too. I wonder, can an athlete who came third or fifth or whatever be called a leader?

 

[el midgetron]

All you're arguing is opinion you fucking moron.

Ive supported my argument with numerous citations. Comprehending the difference is above the capabilities of your primitive monkey brain. Go eat a banana you attention starved little girl.

 

[ESay]

Ive supported my argument with numerous citations. Comprehending the difference is above the capabilities of your primitive monkey brain. Go eat a banana you attention starved little girl.

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Woohoo. Says a person who is 'racially blind' to anyone who supports his ideas and beliefs. But who doesn't becomes a monkey with a banana. Tell me more about your leadership in justice for all.

 

[el midgetron]

Sure, mate. Haiti also was a leader. And Mexico too. I wonder, can an athlete who came third or fifth or whatever be called a leader?

Yeah, Im guessing it probably was not taught in your gender studies classes but yes in fact there can be more than one “leader”. “Leaders” in the plural is a thing. Sorry this is a surprise to you.

Haiti was not much of a “leader”, because they didn’t do much to impact abolition beyond their own boarder. They were a unique case of independence and abolition though and perhaps an inspiration to others.

An athletic “race” is different because the finishing position determine an absolute rank. It’s an objective ranking. Contributions to abolition are weighed differently. There is no direct comparison of Britain’s efforts to abolish slavery to America’s efforts to abolish slavery because they each did different things and had their own unique circumstances. It’s also measured in time differently. The movement for abolition spanned over 100 years. Early efforts may not have had a direct impact but acted as a foundation to future efforts which may have had a greater impact. Is a foundation less important that what is built upon it?

 

[el midgetron]

Woohoo. Says a person who is 'racially blind' to anyone who supports his ideas and beliefs. But who doesn't becomes a monkey with a banana. Tell me more about your leadership in justice for all.

Says the guy who lumped the Native Americans in with “Latinos”. Not much more latently racist than dismissing everyone who isn’t white as a “person of color”. Not to mention your command of the English language…..

Curried Goats has attacked me on my race several times. You didn’t take issue with that because you are a dim witted woke liberal. Now you want to clutch you pearls and pretend to have some reverence for other races.

Curried goats is the one who made this a racial dispute because he’s to mentally impaired to discuss it in other terms. Take it up with him.

 

[ESay]

Yeah, Im guessing it probably was not taught in your gender studies classes but yes in fact there can be more than one “leader”. “Leaders” in the plural is a thing. Sorry this is a surprise to you.

Haiti was not much of a “leader”, because they didn’t do much to impact abolition beyond their own boarder. They were a unique case of independence and abolition though and perhaps an inspiration to others.

An athletic “race” is different because the finishing position determine an absolute rank. It’s an objective ranking. Contributions to abolition are weighed differently. There is no direct comparison of Britain’s efforts to abolish slavery to America’s efforts to abolish slavery because they each did different things and had their own unique circumstances. It’s also measured in time differently. The movement for abolition spanned over 100 years. Early efforts may not have had a direct impact but acted as a foundation to future efforts which may have had a greater impact. Is a foundation less important that what is built upon it?

I understand that in your school for white Christian boys your were taught that America was an epicentre of the universe since at least 1776, but in reality no one cared too much about it at least until the last years of the WWI (okay, maybe as a colonial possession and a proxy in a struggle between empires). You can list a number of names of great American abolitionists who had great impact on some American minds, but that had little to do with having some meaningful impact far beyond its borders.

Britain and France, as two main 'world' metropolis, had a global impact. America, not so much. But you can consider it 'a leader' of course, to flatter your vanity.

 

[ESay]

Says the guy who lumped the Native Americans in with “Latinos”. Not much more latently racist than dismissing everyone who isn’t white as a “person of color”. Not to mention your command of the English language…..

Curried Goats has attacked me on my race several times. You didn’t take issue with that because you are a dim witted woke liberal. Now you want to clutch you pearls and pretend to have some reverence for other races.

Curried goats is the one who made this a racial dispute because he’s to mentally impaired to discuss it in other terms. Take it up with him.

I lumped the mestizos in with Latinos, you seem not to pay too much attention.

Well, the Columbus Day is all about a racial dispute. No one can deny that. But you guys pretend to be 'leaders' in that.

 

[el midgetron]

I lumped the mestizos in with Latinos, you seem not to pay too much attention.

Well, the Columbus Day is all about a racial dispute. No one can deny that. But you guys pretend to be 'leaders' in that.

No, you tried to cover your racist ass and accidentally just went more racist. Typical latent racist liberal.

Columbus Day isn’t about race. FFS that’s just the lens you liberal racists view it through. It was a clash of civilizations, they were different cultures. You liberals just see everything through the lens of race because you are racist and that’s what racists do.

 

[el midgetron]

I understand that in your school for white Christian boys your were taught that America was an epicentre of the universe since at least 1776, but in reality no one cared too much about it at least until the last years of the WWI (okay, maybe as a colonial possession and a proxy in a struggle between empires).

That’s just your ill informed and bigoted opinion. You already demonstrated that your English comprehension is at about a middle school level. Your understanding of history and world affairs is likely comparable.

You can list a number of names of great American abolitionists who had great impact on some American minds, but that had little to do with having some meaningful impact far beyond its borders.

It’s amazing how wrong you always are. And it’s not just that you are ignorant, it’s that you are ideologically motivated to just fabricate nonsense to support your beliefs. That is also why you never offer anything to support your opinion, because it’s just bull shit you make up.

• Frederick Douglass gave speeches in England, Ireland, and Scotland, where he sold copies of his autobiography and spoke out against slavery. His famous "London Reception Speech" is considered one of his most notable speeches

• William Lloyd Garrison published “the Liberator” in Boston, was a key tool for spreading Garrison's abolitionist views, reaching readers not only in the United States but also in Britain and other countries.

• Harriet Tubman successfully led hundreds of enslaved people to freedom in Canada, Tubman brought widespread attention to the horrors of American slavery, particularly in the North and in Britain, where abolitionist movements were gaining traction. The Underground Railroad itself connected with abolitionist networks in Canada and beyond, facilitating the exchange of information and strategies to combat slavery.

• Harriet Beecher Stowe’s novel Uncle Tom’s Cabin became a global bestseller, translated into multiple languages, and exposed the realities of slavery to a large international audience, causing widespread outrage against the practice. She traveled to Great Britain where she spoke at numerous anti-slavery rallies, gaining significant support from British citizens and activists.

Imagine being so woke that you diminish the contributions of people like Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman.

 

[ESay]

That’s just your ill informed and bigoted opinion. You already demonstrated that your English comprehension is at about a middle school level. Your understanding of history and world affairs is likely comparable.



It’s amazing how wrong you always are. And it’s not just that you are ignorant, it’s that you are ideologically motivated to just fabricate nonsense to support your beliefs. That is also why you never offer anything to support your opinion, because it’s just bull shit you make up.

• Frederick Douglass gave speeches in England, Ireland, and Scotland, where he sold copies of his autobiography and spoke out against slavery. His famous "London Reception Speech" is considered one of his most notable speeches

• William Lloyd Garrison published “the Liberator” in Boston, was a key tool for spreading Garrison's abolitionist views, reaching readers not only in the United States but also in Britain and other countries.

• Harriet Tubman successfully led hundreds of enslaved people to freedom in Canada, Tubman brought widespread attention to the horrors of American slavery, particularly in the North and in Britain, where abolitionist movements were gaining traction. The Underground Railroad itself connected with abolitionist networks in Canada and beyond, facilitating the exchange of information and strategies to combat slavery.

• Harriet Beecher Stowe’s novel Uncle Tom’s Cabin became a global bestseller, translated into multiple languages, and exposed the realities of slavery to a large international audience, causing widespread outrage against the practice. She traveled to Great Britain where she spoke at numerous anti-slavery rallies, gaining significant support from British citizens and activists.

Imagine being so woke that you diminish the contributions of people like Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman.

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One can't prove a negative. I already expressed my reasoning that your claim was wrong. At first you tried to hide behind grammar. And now you try to hide behind names of famous American abolitionists.

Douglas and Tubman began their active lives when slavery was already prohibited in Britain and France and parts of Latin America. They were part of mainstream. Wilberforce was an Englishman. Their views and stories were promoted in Britain because it is where a true leader was.

Your silly American exceptionalism is what it is. Silly American exceptionalism. At that time America was a large countryside somewhere behind the seas.

 

[ESay]

No, you tried to cover your racist ass and accidentally just went more racist. Typical latent racist liberal.

Columbus Day isn’t about race. FFS that’s just the lens you liberal racists view it through. It was a clash of civilizations, they were different cultures. You liberals just see everything through the lens of race because you are racist and that’s what racists do.

I don't care about the races at all. So, you can call me a racist all you want. It is you guys who were running around with a magnifier peering into 'a one drop of blood', and debating how many 'drops' some candidates into the office had.

 

[Curried Goats]

Says the guy who lumped the Native Americans in with “Latinos”. Not much more latently racist than dismissing everyone who isn’t white as a “person of color”. Not to mention your command of the English language…..

Curried Goats has attacked me on my race several times. You didn’t take issue with that because you are a dim witted woke liberal. Now you want to clutch you pearls and pretend to have some reverence for other races.

Curried goats is the one who made this a racial dispute because he’s to mentally impaired to discuss it in other terms. Take it up with him.

Keep crying like a bitch because decent people don't want their society venerating deplorable anymore.