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funny, how the israel haters ignore this thread
The detailed 500-page report, obtained exclusively by The Jerusalem Post, was written by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (Malam), a small research group led by Col. (res.) Reuven Erlich, a former Military Intelligence officer who works closely with the army.
In one home, the IDF discovered a note, written in Arabic, that read: We are your brothers, fighters in this holy war, and we used your home and some of your possessions. We are sorry.
This note, Malams report said, was a clear indication of how Hamas took over civilian homes to use to attack Israeli forces.
It's too bad Hamas won't do the honorable thing and bring these fuckheads up on charges like Israel is doing with its bad actors.
Oh, wait, Hamas is a terrorist group.
funny, how the israel haters ignore this thread
it's a baseless rebuttal to the goldstone report. do you think it's not obvious why such accusations come out NOW?
Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes
By Richard Goldstone, Friday, April , 8:42 PM
We know a lot more today about what happened in the Gaza war of 2008-09 than we did when I chaired the fact-finding mission appointed by the U.N. Human Rights Council that produced what has come to be known as the Goldstone Report. If I had known then what I know now, the Goldstone Report would have been a different document.
The final report by the U.N. committee of independent experts chaired by former New York judge Mary McGowan Davis that followed up on the recommendations of the Goldstone Report has found that Israel has dedicated significant resources to investigate over 400 allegations of operational misconduct in Gaza while the de facto authorities (i.e., Hamas) have not conducted any investigations into the launching of rocket and mortar attacks against Israel....
...As I indicated from the very beginning, I would have welcomed Israels cooperation. The purpose of the Goldstone Report was never to prove a foregone conclusion against Israel. I insisted on changing the original mandate adopted by the Human Rights Council, which was skewed against Israel. I have always been clear that Israel, like any other sovereign nation, has the right and obligation to defend itself and its citizens against attacks from abroad and within. Something that has not been recognized often enough is the fact that our report marked the first time illegal acts of terrorism from Hamas were being investigated and condemned by the United Nations. I had hoped that our inquiry into all aspects of the Gaza conflict would begin a new era of evenhandedness at the U.N. Human Rights Council, whose history of bias against Israel cannot be doubted.
Some have charged that the process we followed did not live up to judicial standards. To be clear: Our mission was in no way a judicial or even quasi-judicial proceeding. We did not investigate criminal conduct on the part of any individual in Israel, Gaza or the West Bank. We made our recommendations based on the record before us, which unfortunately did not include any evidence provided by the Israeli government. Indeed, our main recommendation was for each party to investigate, transparently and in good faith, the incidents referred to in our report. McGowan Davis has found that Israel has done this to a significant degree; Hamas has done nothing.
Some have suggested that it was absurd to expect Hamas, an organization that has a policy to destroy the state of Israel, to investigate what we said were serious war crimes. It was my hope, even if unrealistic, that Hamas would do so, especially if Israel conducted its own investigations. At minimum I hoped that in the face of a clear finding that its members were committing serious war crimes, Hamas would curtail its attacks. Sadly, that has not been the case. Hundreds more rockets and mortar rounds have been directed at civilian targets in southern Israel. That comparatively few Israelis have been killed by the unlawful rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza in no way minimizes the criminality. The U.N. Human Rights Council should condemn these heinous acts in the strongest terms.
In the end, asking Hamas to investigate may have been a mistaken enterprise. So, too, the Human Rights Council should condemn the inexcusable and cold-blooded recent slaughter of a young Israeli couple and three of their small children in their beds....
Where?say, anyone find it awfully coincidental that THIS story came out right after news of some jews going on trial for using human shields?
We just preferred not to pay attention, didn't we?it's a baseless rebuttal to the goldstone report. do you think it's not obvious why such accusations come out NOW?funny, how the israel haters ignore this thread'Hamas used kids as human shields'
You should view the link, and watch the video.
funny, how the israel haters ignore this thread
funny, how the israel haters ignore this thread
Israel-haters like Obama's pal Samantha Power?
As Powers influence grows, the Obama administration, already not a great friend of Israel is bound to move even further toward an anti-Israel stance because Power is Anti-Israel and believes that it is the Jewish lobby who controls American foreign policy.
The Video below is from 2002 when she sat for an interview with Harry Kreisler, the director of the Institute for International Studies at Berkeley. Kreisler asked her the following question:
Let me give you a thought experiment here, and it is the following: without addressing the Palestine Israel problem, lets say you were an advisor to the President of the United States, how would you respond to current events there? Would you advise him to put a structure in place to monitor that situation, at least if one party or another [starts] looking like they might be moving toward genocide?
Powers response seen in the video below is her advice to the President would be
· Alienate the American Jewish community, and indeed all Americans, such as evangelical Christians, who support the state of Israel, because Israeli leaders are destroying the lives of their own people.
· Pour billions of dollars of the taxpayers money into the new state of Palestine
· Stage an American ground invasion of Israel and the Palestinian territories what else can she mean by a mammoth protection force and a military presence that will be imposed by external intervention? Interestingly she considers the exact same thing the height of arrogance and foolishness when it was done in Iraq.
In 2004 Power reviewed Noam Chomskys book Hegemony or Survival, Power agreed with many of Chomskys criticisms of U.S. foreign policy and expressed her own concerns about what she called the sins of our allies in the war on terror, lumping Israel together with Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Russia, and Uzbekistan. She called Chomskys work sobering and instructive.
Power is an advocate of the Walt-Mearsheimer view of the American relationship with Israel. In a interview published on the Harvard Kennedy Schools website, Power was asked to explain long-standing structural and conceptual problems in U.S. foreign policy. She gave a two-part answer: the first problem, she said, is the US historic predisposition to go it alone. A standard reply, of course. The second problem, though, should give all Jews pause.
Another longstanding foreign policy flaw is the degree to which special interests dictate the way in which the national interest as a whole is defined and pursued . . . Americas important historic relationship with Israel has often led foreign policy decision-makers to defer reflexively to Israeli security assessments, and to replicate Israeli tactics, which, as the war in Lebanon last summer demonstrated, can turn out to be counter-productive.
Those special interests she is alluding to is the infamous Jewish Lobby, which controls the US government among its other nefarious roles in the world.
Martin Kramer points us to an interesting quote from the 2003 book Ethnic Violence and Justice, in which Samantha Power, one of Barack Obamas foreign policy advisers, asks a question of David Rohde, a reporter who covered the 2nd intifada for the New York Times. The quote is as follows:
Samantha Power: I have a question for David about working for the New York Times. I was struck by a headline that accompanied a news story on the publication of the Human Rights Watch report. The headline was, I believe: Human Rights Report Finds Massacre Did Not Occur in Jenin. The second paragraph said, Oh, but lots of war crimes did. Why wouldnt they make the war crimes the headline and the non-massacre the second paragraph?
Here we have another look into the mind of Power. Israel is accused in sensational press reports of a massacre in Jenin, and is subjected to severe international condemnation; HRW finally gets out a report and says OOPs there was no massacre; even the NYT reports this as its headline; but Power thinks the headline still should have been: Israel guilty of war crimes!
Samantha Power is the mind behind President Obamas policy of Responsibility to Protect which drove him to the kinetic military action [war] in Libya. As her influence continues to grow, the Obama administration which has already backed off from the US/Israel friendship, might very well accelerate its move away from the only democracy in the Middle East. I shudder to think what she may convince the president to do should he win a second term and will no longer need to worry about what Ms. Power calls alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import [the Jews].SAMANTHA POWER OBAMAS RISING ANTI-ISRAEL STAR | RUTHFULLY YOURS
We just preferred not to pay attention, didn't we?it's a baseless rebuttal to the goldstone report. do you think it's not obvious why such accusations come out NOW?funny, how the israel haters ignore this thread
hohohoHAHAHAHA!We just preferred not to pay attention, didn't we?it's a baseless rebuttal to the goldstone report. do you think it's not obvious why such accusations come out NOW?[/size][/i]
Whatevah this drivel may mean, of course.Clearly, I've affected you!
What thread?You dug up an old thread so perhaps you'll want to remember that google is your friend.
Ah, the Guardian.Israeli soldiers who used Palestinian boy, 9, as a human shield avoid jail | World news | The Guardian
Feisty drivel.you fucking zionist fool.
hohohoWhatevah this drivel may mean, of course.What thread?HAHAHAHA!We just preferred not to pay attention, didn't we?Ah, the Guardian.Israeli soldiers who used Palestinian boy, 9, as a human shield avoid jail | World news | The GuardianFeisty drivel.you fucking zionist fool.
funny, how the israel haters ignore this thread
it's a baseless rebuttal to the goldstone report. do you think it's not obvious why such accusations come out NOW?
Ah, but now it's Goldstone coming out against the Goldstone Report:
Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes - The Washington Post
Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes
By Richard Goldstone, Friday, April , 8:42 PM
We know a lot more today about what happened in the Gaza war of 2008-09 than we did when I chaired the fact-finding mission appointed by the U.N. Human Rights Council that produced what has come to be known as the Goldstone Report. If I had known then what I know now, the Goldstone Report would have been a different document.
The final report by the U.N. committee of independent experts chaired by former New York judge Mary McGowan Davis that followed up on the recommendations of the Goldstone Report has found that Israel has dedicated significant resources to investigate over 400 allegations of operational misconduct in Gaza while the de facto authorities (i.e., Hamas) have not conducted any investigations into the launching of rocket and mortar attacks against Israel....
...As I indicated from the very beginning, I would have welcomed Israels cooperation. The purpose of the Goldstone Report was never to prove a foregone conclusion against Israel. I insisted on changing the original mandate adopted by the Human Rights Council, which was skewed against Israel. I have always been clear that Israel, like any other sovereign nation, has the right and obligation to defend itself and its citizens against attacks from abroad and within. Something that has not been recognized often enough is the fact that our report marked the first time illegal acts of terrorism from Hamas were being investigated and condemned by the United Nations. I had hoped that our inquiry into all aspects of the Gaza conflict would begin a new era of evenhandedness at the U.N. Human Rights Council, whose history of bias against Israel cannot be doubted.
Some have charged that the process we followed did not live up to judicial standards. To be clear: Our mission was in no way a judicial or even quasi-judicial proceeding. We did not investigate criminal conduct on the part of any individual in Israel, Gaza or the West Bank. We made our recommendations based on the record before us, which unfortunately did not include any evidence provided by the Israeli government. Indeed, our main recommendation was for each party to investigate, transparently and in good faith, the incidents referred to in our report. McGowan Davis has found that Israel has done this to a significant degree; Hamas has done nothing.
Some have suggested that it was absurd to expect Hamas, an organization that has a policy to destroy the state of Israel, to investigate what we said were serious war crimes. It was my hope, even if unrealistic, that Hamas would do so, especially if Israel conducted its own investigations. At minimum I hoped that in the face of a clear finding that its members were committing serious war crimes, Hamas would curtail its attacks. Sadly, that has not been the case. Hundreds more rockets and mortar rounds have been directed at civilian targets in southern Israel. That comparatively few Israelis have been killed by the unlawful rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza in no way minimizes the criminality. The U.N. Human Rights Council should condemn these heinous acts in the strongest terms.
In the end, asking Hamas to investigate may have been a mistaken enterprise. So, too, the Human Rights Council should condemn the inexcusable and cold-blooded recent slaughter of a young Israeli couple and three of their small children in their beds....
the de facto authorities (i.e., Hamas)
(i.e., Hamas) have not conducted any investigations into the launching of rocket and mortar attacks against Israel....
Cool. But, since when does leftoislamist drivel qualify as evidence? That's the pertinent question, of course.I provided my evidence.hohohoWhatevah this drivel may mean, of course.What thread?Ah, the Guardian.HAHAHAHA!Feisty drivel.you fucking zionist fool.
Drivel.I see that you have no rebuttal to offer besides predictable zionist mental masturbation. I guess you can always cry about it if you need to.