Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[toomuchtime_]

Except that the Muslims converted the people of the regions they conquered, and while the Caliphs are gone, the people remain... Islamic.

Israel isn't sustainable. They don't have the birth rates that the Muslims have and more importantly, the world is starting to sour on the concept of an apartheid Jewish state.

The Muslims converted some, killed others and made it a crime to adhere to other religions.

The Caliphs are gone because they weren't sustainable. The Muslims took what they wanted from the indigenous peoples they conquered and all the great cities the Muslims captured went into decline under Muslim rule.

None of the Arab states want to go to war with Israel so the birth rates don't matter. The current war has slowed down the rate of normalizing relations with Israel among the Arab states, but this, too, shall pass, because Israel cannot be defeated and normal relations with Israel is beneficial to the Arab states and the Palestinians are seen by these Arab states as just a problem they would rather be rid of.

 

[Jroc]

Meh, more concerned. They're surplanting us because they are an efficient technocracy, and we are a failed democracy. Seriously, democracy fails when Trump is the best it can produce. Instead of whining " No fair", we should be looking at what they are doing right and try doing that ourselves.



Jews exist, but they have no better claim to Palestine than the Muslims or the Christians.



I don't have a problem with Islamists because I don't stick my nose in their business and they don't stick their noses in my business. The world works so much better that way.

You Zionists are like a cat that gets itself stuck in a tree, and then mewls all day until someone gets it down. And the next day, you are stuck in the same tree.



Oh, you think burning bushes, talking animals, and giants are real things?


Let me guess, the Roids made your balls tiny and Jewish women are frigid.

Do you know what Jewish Foreplay is? An hour and a half of begging.

Chinese foreplay is espionage of American technology.....unike you fat boy I can get women all day nit a problem .. islamists don't care if you're an atheist...you're a tool

 

[JoeB131]

All through human history, people have moved because of shifts of power, but the Jews were the indigenous people of Algeria, and the Muslims were the conquerors, who imposed discriminatory laws against all people who weren't Muslims, Jews included.

All the people of Algeria are still French citizens and hundreds of thousands of Muslims left Algeria for France during the war of independence, collaborators in your opinion no doubt, and many times more than that have left for France since then.

I'm sure they have.

My family left Germany because the French were allowed to occupy their town after WWI.

 

[JoeB131]

Chinese foreplay is espionage of American technology.....unike you fat boy I can get women all day nit a problem .. islamists don't care if you're an atheist...you're a tool

But don't they get disappointed when they see your tiny Roid Balls?

You miss the point, crazy boy... You don't stick your hand in a hornet's nest and then complain about getting stung.

This is what the Zionists haven't figured out.

 

[JoeB131]

The Muslims converted some, killed others and made it a crime to adhere to other religions.

The Caliphs are gone because they weren't sustainable. The Muslims took what they wanted from the indigenous peoples they conquered and all the great cities the Muslims captured went into decline under Muslim rule.

I think your history is a bit distorted, but this is too small a forum to correct them.

Europeans have a great habit of rewriting history. For centuries, the various Caliphates were the major powers of the world. The Mughal Empire was the world's richest nation, followed by Ming China.

White folks had their day in the sun. It was fun while it lasted, I guess.

None of the Arab states want to go to war with Israel so the birth rates don't matter. The current war has slowed down the rate of normalizing relations with Israel among the Arab states, but this, too, shall pass, because Israel cannot be defeated and normal relations with Israel is beneficial to the Arab states and the Palestinians are seen by these Arab states as just a problem they would rather be rid of.

Or they realize they don't have to go to war to rid themselves of the Zionists.

Eventually, the Zionists will have to go with a one state solution (Where they'll be the minority) or a two-state solution (where they still have the same problems they have now.) What isn't sustainble is a Jewish Minorty oppressing an Islamic Majority.

Not with the world realizing that "but, but, but Hitler" just is wearing thin as an excuse.

 

[rosends]

Except the Ashkenazim aren't indigenous. They are a bunch of white people from Europe.

Ashkenazim make up less than half of the Jews in Israel. Are you saying that if a group is exiled from its land, it loses indigenous status?

 

[Jroc]

I'm sure they have.

My family left Germany because the French were allowed to occupy their town after WWI.

That's okay now the islamists are occupying it...a little at a time... dumbass

 

[Shusha]

• The Third Temple Movement:
  Some Jewish groups, like the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, actively campaign for the removal of the Dome of the Rock and the construction of a Jewish Temple in its place. They view the Dome of the Rock as a pagan structure and believe the site should be consecrated for Jewish worship.

So, my argument was that the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif should be a shared holy site with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship. The way the Kotel is. The way the Cave of the Patriarchs is.

My argument is that having a shared holy space with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship must not be used as a motivation for committing atrocities.

My argument is that having a shared holy space with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship is entirely possible as evidenced by the existence of shared holy sites under Israeli control.


And you come back with an argument for a space exclusive to one faith, which I assume you are opposed to. So, I get it. You are opposed to a Jewish-only space at the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif. Are you also opposed to a Muslim-only space at the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif?

 

[Jroc]

So, my argument was that the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif should be a shared holy site with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship. The way the Kotel is. The way the Cave of the Patriarchs is.

My argument is that having a shared holy space with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship must not be used as a motivation for committing atrocities.

My argument is that having a shared holy space with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship is entirely possible as evidenced by the existence of shared holy sites under Israeli control.


And you come back with an argument for a space exclusive to one faith, which I assume you are opposed to. So, I get it. You are opposed to a Jewish-only space at the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif. Are you also opposed to a Muslim-only space at the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif?

That mosque was purposely built on the site of the Jewish temples right in top of the site thats the islamists do

 

[Shusha]

You sound like an old Klansman from the South.

"I don't know why the negros are being so uppity!"

Interesting inversion. You do tend to align Jews with whatever you define as evil.

Tell me again why Jews being Jewish in a Jewish holy place is provocation for slaughtering Jews?

Funny how you always talk about Jews stealing the Arab's house, but can't recognize that the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque are built on TOP of the Temple. Or are you going to deny that as well?

 

[JoeB131]

Interesting inversion. You do tend to align Jews with whatever you define as evil.

Tell me again why Jews being Jewish in a Jewish holy place is provocation for slaughtering Jews?

Because I reject the notion of God. I find fighting over "holy Places" to be utterly absurd.

The problem is, you lost any rights to that "Holy Place" 2000 years ago.

Funny how you always talk about Jews stealing the Arab's house, but can't recognize that the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque are built on TOP of the Temple. Or are you going to deny that as well?

Except they lost title to that house 1800 years ago when the Romans, finally sick of their bullshit, drove them out of the Levant.

 

[Shusha]

Because I reject the notion of God. I find fighting over "holy Places" to be utterly absurd.

I'm not making a religious argument. Do you, boo.

The problem is, you lost any rights to that "Holy Place" 2000 years ago.

Except they lost title to that house 1800 years ago when the Romans, finally sick of their bullshit, drove them out of the Levant.

Great. So, to be clear, a collective loses rights to historical, ancestral, and indigenous territory if that collective is driven out. So, supporting ethnic cleansing as the viable route to sovereignty. Sounds like something Smotrich would say.

 

[alang1216]

So, my argument was that the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif should be a shared holy site with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship. The way the Kotel is. The way the Cave of the Patriarchs is.

My argument is that having a shared holy space with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship must not be used as a motivation for committing atrocities.

My argument is that having a shared holy space with people of all faiths having freedom of access and freedom of worship is entirely possible as evidenced by the existence of shared holy sites under Israeli control.


And you come back with an argument for a space exclusive to one faith, which I assume you are opposed to. So, I get it. You are opposed to a Jewish-only space at the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif. Are you also opposed to a Muslim-only space at the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif?

Not surprisingly, you missed my point altogether. You said:

But it is a one-sided flashpoint. Jews visiting and praying at their most holy site is not a provocation of itself. That is an inherent right of religious freedom.

Jews visiting and praying at their most holy site is not a provocation of itself but when some Jewish groups, like the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, actively campaign for the removal of the Dome of the Rock and the construction of a Jewish Temple in its place, that is a provocation.

 

[Shusha]

Not surprisingly, you missed my point altogether. You said:

Jews visiting and praying at their most holy site is not a provocation of itself but when some Jewish groups, like the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, actively campaign for the removal of the Dome of the Rock and the construction of a Jewish Temple in its place, that is a provocation.

Nice dodge of my question.

Do you oppose Muslim-only holy places?

 

[Shusha]

Not surprisingly, you missed my point altogether. You said:

Jews visiting and praying at their most holy site is not a provocation of itself but when some Jewish groups, like the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, actively campaign for the removal of the Dome of the Rock and the construction of a Jewish Temple in its place, that is a provocation.

I'll ask another way. Is it a provocation to remove Jews from Jewish holy places?

 

[Lisa558]

Not surprisingly, you missed my point altogether. You said:

Jews visiting and praying at their most holy site is not a provocation of itself but when some Jewish groups, like the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, actively campaign for the removal of the Dome of the Rock and the construction of a Jewish Temple in its place, that is a provocation.

So it’s OK that the Islamists conquered the land upon which the Jewish First and Second Temple stood, built the Dome of the Rock, and now consider it “theirs,” but it is NOT OK that some Jewish groups want to take it back and construct a new Temple?

 

[toomuchtime_]

I think your history is a bit distorted, but this is too small a forum to correct them.

Europeans have a great habit of rewriting history. For centuries, the various Caliphates were the major powers of the world. The Mughal Empire was the world's richest nation, followed by Ming China.

White folks had their day in the sun. It was fun while it lasted, I guess.



Or they realize they don't have to go to war to rid themselves of the Zionists.

Eventually, the Zionists will have to go with a one state solution (Where they'll be the minority) or a two-state solution (where they still have the same problems they have now.) What isn't sustainble is a Jewish Minorty oppressing an Islamic Majority.

Not with the world realizing that "but, but, but Hitler" just is wearing thin as an excuse.

Very funny, it's you who is trying to rewrite history to justify your irrational hatred of Jews. At one time the Muslim Empire was powerful, but no more, and while some of the people seem to mourn the loss of all that power, none of the Arab states seem to aspire to it again, the wealthy states have too much to lose to go to war and the poor nations simply can't win a war.

There is no Muslim majority being oppressed by a Jewish minority. As long as the so called Palestinians refuse to live in peace with the Jews, there is no one state or two state or any solution to the Palestinians' problems, only your crazy fantasies about killing Jews.

 

[Lisa558]

Shusha

You know the history more than I. Isn’t the Temple Mount where Abraham bound Isaac in preparation for his sacrifice?

That’s a pretty important spot to Jews. But the Muslims took it over? And the posters here are fine with the Muslim land grab?

 

[Shusha]

Shusha

You know the history more than I. Isn’t the Temple Mount where Abraham bound Isaac in preparation for his sacrifice?

That’s a pretty important spot to Jews. But the Muslims took it over? And the posters here are fine with the Muslim land grab?

There are all sorts of myths (or truths depending on your religious beliefs) about the Temple Mount. The Foundation Stone of the creation of the world. The gates to Eden. The Binding of Isaac. Various appearances of Gd.

Impossible to argue that it a "pretty important spot" for the Jewish people.

 

[Lisa558]

There are all sorts of myths (or truths depending on your religious beliefs) about the Temple Mount. The Foundation Stone of the creation of the world. The gates to Eden. The Binding of Isaac. Various appearances of Gd.

Impossible to argue that it a "pretty important spot" for the Jewish people.

Thanks.