Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[Lisa558]

I am just countering his lies for the sake of other people who may be reading these posts. I don't expect him to stop lying.

That’s why I’m doing it. I can’t just let his lies stand in case gullible, poorly informed people fall for them.

That’s what antisemites like Joe are hoping for as they seek to spread antisemitism throughout the world.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Were they driven out or did they leave voluntarily?

You can make a case that they WERE driven out of Egypt, after they were involved in the Lavon Affair, that attempted to overthrow Nasser, and the Suez War, where they conspired with the French and British to seize the Suez Canal (and came damned close to triggering World War III. Thankfully, Ike had the good sense to put the kabosh on that.)

Looking at the rest of your list, let's look at Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia, the biggest numbers on your list.

History of the Jews in Algeria - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

More than 90% of Algerian Jews (110,000 out of about 130,000) opted for France, they left Algeria en masse, not because they were persecuted there as Jews but because they had so deeply internalized their "Frenchness" that they considered their destiny linked to that of the French,<...

After the Evian agreements of 19 March 1962, the vast majority of the remaining Jews in Algeria were among the 800,000 French people who crossed the Mediterranean at in the space of a few months. Regarded as repatriates in the same way as the 'Pieds Noirs', they gradually integrated into the French Jewish community, which they helped to reshape, like their co-religionists who had previously arrived from Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco. The number of those who settled in Israel is estimated at around 10,000.

So bottom lining it, the Jews that left Algeria and Morocco didn't leave because they were Jewish, they left because they were seen as part of the FRENCH COLONIZATION of North Africa.

Okay, let's debunk the rest of Lisa's list, shall we. Taking out the North African countries (658,000 people) who were primarily expelled for things they legitimately did or were, the next biggest chunk on the list is Iraq.

Actually, this is so interesting that I think I'm going to give it its own post.

AI Overview

No, after Algeria gained independence in 1962, the government did not grant citizenship to most Algerian Jews; instead, the new government primarily limited citizenship to those with Muslim roots, leading to the mass exodus of the vast majority of the Jewish population to France and Israel.

Pre-Independence Status

• French Citizenship: Algerian Jews had a complex status before independence. While considered indigenous to Algeria, they held French nationality and were treated as part of the French society, similar to the European settlers known as pieds-noirs.

Post-Independence Citizenship

• New Citizenship Policy:
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  After Algeria gained independence in 1962, the new government restricted citizenship to those with Muslim paternal lineage, effectively excluding the Jewish community.
  
  
• Mass Exodus:
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  This policy, combined with the social and political upheaval of the decolonization process, prompted almost all Algerian Jews to leave the country.
  

Destination of Exiled Jews

• France:
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  The vast majority of Algerian Jews resettled in France, joining their fellow pieds-noirs and integrating into French society.
  
  
• Israel:
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  A smaller but significant number migrated to Israel, with plans for their absorption already underway by 1960.

 

[JoeB131]

AI Overview

No, after Algeria gained independence in 1962, the government did not grant citizenship to most Algerian Jews; instead, the new government primarily limited citizenship to those with Muslim roots, leading to the mass exodus of the vast majority of the Jewish population to France and Israel.

You realize that AI is crap, right?

Jews in Algeria were seen as French, and most of them went to - wait for it - FRANCE after these countries gained their independence.

Very few of them ended up in the Zionist Entity, because living next to more Muslims who want to kill you would be stupid.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s why I’m doing it. I can’t just let his lies stand in case gullible, poorly informed people fall for them.

That’s what antisemites like Joe are hoping for as they seek to spread antisemitism throughout the world.

Actually, what's spreading anti-Zionism around the world is the images of starving children.

 

[Jroc]

Not sure why you think that just claiming the Zionists didn't steal their land convinces anyone. Doesn't convince me. Doesn't convince them. Doesn't really convince the European Community.



Um, okay, I'm not sure I want to delve any further into your steroid riddled brain, but let's look at this.

Yes, I am a prolific poster, and I post about a great number of subjects. I'd say maybe 10% of what I post is about Israel/Palestine, and that's being generous. But mostly I respond to what other people post, I don't start a lot of threads of my own.

This is a hobby. I work full time, I have a side business, and I help my wife run her business. And I maybe spend 2 hours a day posting on message boards. It's relaxing.

Um, no, the Arabs went to war to protect their land from foreign invaders. if you want to know one of the underlying causes of "anti-Semitism":, (as much as I hate that term, as it is inaccurate*) is your sense of entitlement. Just moving to Palestine and sharing the land wasn't good enough, you had to declare a Jewish State, because you are "entitled".

(* I dislike the term "anti-Semite", because the Arabs are more legitimately a Semitic People than the Ashkenazim are.)

Returning to land we were expelled from a land were there had been no independent country there since the Jewish state was there originally.... Anybody who can post on 56 threads in 3 weeks has too much time on their hands hopefully your work doesn't involve exporting American secrets the CCP

 

[toomuchtime_]

You realize that AI is crap, right?

Jews in Algeria were seen as French, and most of them went to - wait for it - FRANCE after these countries gained their independence.

Very few of them ended up in the Zionist Entity, because living next to more Muslims who want to kill you would be stupid.

Everyone in Algeria was a citizen from 1848 under French rule, but when Algeria won its independence from France the law was changed so that only Muslims could be citizens of Algeria, and that's why the Jews left.

 

[alang1216]

"Provocations" like? What? Jews visiting their own most holy site? The nerve!

Are there any restrictions on Arabs visiting their holy site?

 

[alang1216]

The aggressions as provocations are all from the HAMAS Savages. Israel responds to them but does not initiate.

• Annual Flag March in Jerusalem: During an annual march in May 2025 celebrating Israel's conquest of East Jerusalem, thousands of Israeli nationalists chanted "Death to Arabs" and sang "May your village burn" as they passed through Muslim neighborhoods of the Old City.

 

[Shusha]

Are there any restrictions on Arabs visiting their holy site?

Not for reasons of "provocation" and discrimination.

 

[alang1216]

Not for reasons of "provocation" and discrimination.

So there are restrictions.

• Al-Aqsa Mosque incidents: In the months leading up to the October 7, 2023, attack, extremist Israeli groups entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and harassed and intimidated Palestinians. These events took place under police escort, which critics say amounts to official support. The site is a key flashpoint in the conflict.

 

[Lisa558]

• Annual Flag March in Jerusalem: During an annual march in May 2025 celebrating Israel's conquest of East Jerusalem, thousands of Israeli nationalists chanted "Death to Arabs" and sang "May your village burn" as they passed through Muslim neighborhoods of the Old City.

1) Those are individuals.

2) I thought you libs were OK with free speech,

3) Israeli government does not initiate attacks. The Gazan government DOES.

 

[Lisa558]

Are there any restrictions on Arabs visiting their holy site?

You mean Isrseli Arab citizens? Of course not, with the necessary security efforts in place.

Or did you mean does Israel restrict Islamist terrorists who declare their intention to wipe Israel off the map free access under the guise of visiting holy sites?

You sure do expect Jews to be willing to let their enemies initiate violence and murder against them.

 

[Shusha]

So there are restrictions.

There are restrictions of capacity, as certain sites can only hold so many people at once.

There are restrictions on place, such as Muslims visit this half and Jews visit this half.

There are restrictions on time, such as Muslims visit these ten days of the year, and Jews visit those ten days of the year.

There are sometimes security restrictions.

But only Jews are discriminated against for being Jews.

The site is a key flashpoint in the conflict.

Yes. But it is a one-sided flashpoint. Jews visiting and praying at their most holy site is not a provocation of itself. That is an inherent right of religious freedom.

 

[JoeB131]

Returning to land we were expelled from a land were there had been no independent country there since the Jewish state was there originally.... Anybody who can post on 56 threads in 3 weeks has too much time on their hands hopefully your work doesn't involve exporting American secrets the CCP

That's less than 3 threads a day, guy. That would probably be a challenge for your Steroid Riddled Brain, but most normal people are fine with it.

Sorry, guy, the fact is, the Palestinians are the indigenous people. Since the Jews were expelled by the Romans, they moved to Europe, adopted a European Language (Yiddish), took on European Dress, and interbred with European people. Their claim is dubious, at best. I don't know of any group that can claim a country because of extinct country that existed 3000 years ago.

Everyone in Algeria was a citizen from 1848 under French rule, but when Algeria won its independence from France the law was changed so that only Muslims could be citizens of Algeria, and that's why the Jews left.

Oh, you are so close... Soooooo close.

Let's try this. A bunch of foreigners colonize your country, loot it for the wealth, and grant themselves privileges you wouldn't have given them. And when you finally make life so miserable for them that they give you their independence, are you really surprised when they tell you to get the **** out?

You shouldn't be.

And this is the problem with Zionism overall. It's a European Colonial Movement that is laying claim to a land from the indigenous people.

 

[Jroc]

The thing is the Palestinians are Arabs no different from those Arabs in Lebanon Jordan whatever ...Europeans made up those countries... Jews fought for theirs... if we have to keep kicking Arab ass all over the Middle we will or the barbarians can civilize..... I can give a s*** about your dumbass what you or people like you think you're f****** clueless...the haters are not unbiased. And their opinions shouldn't be counted as anything .... Jews have existed as we always have in spite of you f****** nazi scum

 

[ShahdagMountains]

The thing is the Palestinians are Arabs no different from those Arabs in Lebanon Jordan whatever ...Europeans made up those countries... Jews fought for theirs... if we have to keep kicking Arab ass all over the Middle we will or the barbarians can civilize..... I can give a s*** about your dumbass what you or people like you think you're f****** clueless...the haters are not unbiased. And their opinions shouldn't be counted as anything .... Jews have existed as we always have in spite of you f****** nazi scum

They’re overtly insistent with their lies and blood libels, aren’t they?

 

[Shusha]

• Al-Aqsa Mosque incidents: In the months leading up to the October 7, 2023, attack, extremist Israeli groups entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and harassed and intimidated Palestinians. These events took place under police escort, which critics say amounts to official support. The site is a key flashpoint in the conflict.

See, this is the moment you make a deliberate choice to support Hamas and others who commit acts of violence on Israel, on Israeli citizens, and on Jews worldwide.

No amount of Jews being Jewish in the holy places, or Israelis visiting a place in Israel as Jews, or of Jews wearing symbols that identify them as Jews or Israelis, are reasons for committing acts of violence against Israel, Israelis, and Jews. And even if the visitor is a member of the government, and even if they hold unsavory opinions about the future of Israel or Palestine, still it is not a reason to commit acts of violence against Israel, Israelis, and Jews.

And yet, here you are, giving blatant permission to certain collectives of peoples (Palestinians? Arabs? Muslims?) to commit atrocities. I'd suggest, that if you truly were working towards peace, that you not do that.

Access to the Temple Mount/Haram Al-Sharif and other holy sites is a settled matter between Israel and Jordan. It is not a cause for "resistance" against Israel, though it could be argued that it is cause for "resistance" against Jordan. (Which is not to say that future agreements between a future State of Palestine and Jordan or between a future State of Palestine and Israel are not possible.)

The Temple Mount/Haram Al-Sharif are meant to be shared spaces with freedom of access and a freedom of religious worship.

TREATY OF PEACE BETWEEN THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND THE HASHEMITE KINGDOM OF JORDAN (excerpt, emphasis mine)"

Article 9. Places of Historical and Religious Significance and Interfaith Relations
1. Each Party will provide freedom of access to places of religious and historical significance.
2. In this regard, in accordance with the Washington Declaration, Israel respects the present special role of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in Muslim Holy shrines in Jerusalem. When negotiations on the permanent status will take place, Israel will give high priority to the Jordanian historic role in these shrines.
3. The Parties will act together to promote interfaith relations among the three monotheistic religions, with the aim of working towards religious understanding, moral commitment, freedom of religious worship, and tolerance and peace.

These values of freedom of access and freedom of religious worship are peaceful values held by societies and cultures which can accept others. Peace will not be possible if we fail to hold the various collectives (Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims) to account for their actions in committing atrocities, and for their intolerant values.

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's less than 3 threads a day, guy. That would probably be a challenge for your Steroid Riddled Brain, but most normal people are fine with it.

Sorry, guy, the fact is, the Palestinians are the indigenous people. Since the Jews were expelled by the Romans, they moved to Europe, adopted a European Language (Yiddish), took on European Dress, and interbred with European people. Their claim is dubious, at best. I don't know of any group that can claim a country because of extinct country that existed 3000 years ago.




Oh, you are so close... Soooooo close.

Let's try this. A bunch of foreigners colonize your country, loot it for the wealth, and grant themselves privileges you wouldn't have given them. And when you finally make life so miserable for them that they give you their independence, are you really surprised when they tell you to get the **** out?

You shouldn't be.

And this is the problem with Zionism overall. It's a European Colonial Movement that is laying claim to a land from the indigenous people.

The vast majority of Jews living in Algeria were indigenous to the country and no more French than the Arabs were. Their citizenship was taken away simply because they were Jews.

 

[JoeB131]

The thing is the Palestinians are Arabs no different from those Arabs in Lebanon Jordan whatever ...Europeans made up those countries... Jews fought for theirs... if we have to keep kicking Arab ass all over the Middle we will or the barbarians can civilize..... I can give a s*** about your dumbass what you or people like you think you're f****** clueless...the haters are not unbiased. And their opinions shouldn't be counted as anything .... Jews have existed as we always have in spite of you f****** nazi scum

Again, you are kind of proving my point.

Hey, remember "Rhodesia"? "French IndoChina" "British Honduras". This is what colonizers call their countries.

Today we call them "Zimbabwe", "Vietnam" and "Belize", because you can't keep an indigenous people down forever.

Think about what you are advocating here. The existence of Israel will only happen with perpetual war against the indigenous people. That's kind of crazy, and it really isn't sustainable in the long run.

The Era of European Colonialism is over. Learn to deal with it.

 

[JoeB131]

The vast majority of Jews living in Algeria were indigenous to the country and no more French than the Arabs were. Their citizenship was taken away simply because they were Jews.

Well, no, not really. They spoke French and they benefited from the French occupation.

They left when the French left. It wasn't a slow erosion of rights. It was more like, "Shit, the party's over, I don't care where you go, but you can't stay here."