Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[Lisa558]

• "If you notice, the talks with Hamas fell apart on the day Macron made the unilateral decision that he's going to recognize a Palestinian state. And then you have other people come forward, other countries say, well, if there is not a ceasefire by September, we're going to recognize a Palestinian state. Well, if I'm Hamas, I basically conclude, 'let's not do a ceasefire because we can be rewarded, we can claim it as a victory.'" — US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
• The situation in Gaza could quite easily have been resolved many months ago if Hamas had laid down its weapons and released the hostages it had no business kidnapping in the first place. This did not happen. Nevertheless, Israel is blamed for trying to get its tortured and starved hostages released. What would France, Britain, Canada or Australia have done?
• The party responsible for Gaza's collateral damage is Hamas.

Here We Go Again – The West's Palestinian State Fantasy

Only leaders completely sold out to extremist ideologies would persist in pushing a proposal so far detached from reality and so harmful to many people -- starting with the atrociously governed Palestinians -- that it is almost beyond comprehension. "If

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

Yes, countries are lining up to reward the HAMAS savages for the Oct 7 massacre.

 

[JoeB131]

Everyone is not out to get the Jews, but clearly you are as you have tried to justify the persecution of Jews in Europe through the centuries and cited it as a justification for acts of terrorism by Palestinians.

How am I "out to get them", exactly? By pointing out what they are doing over there.

Pointing out why things happened is hardly justifying it. Again, if Christian Europe feels bad about the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the Pogroms (and they should), then they should slice off a chunk of Europe to be the new Jewish homeland.

It would be like if I said, "Gee, I feel really bad about slavery, so I'm going to give your house to a deserving black family!"

I think your first reaction would be, "I had nothing to do with slavery!" and your second would be, "Why aren't you giving them your house? And these are both very valid points.

You have made it clear your only purpose here is to vilify Jews, and I have no doubt you could plaster this thread with pictures of allegedly starving and wounded children and have no interest at all in whether these pictures were accurate since they would serve your purpose of vilifying Jews whether they were bogus or not.

Um, okay, hypothetical question. What if those pictures are real? Somehow, I don't think that you will find it in yourself to admit what the Zionists are doing is wrong.

You clearly suffer from a deep hatred of Jews, and yet as evidenced by your frequent lies about Jews and your indifference to whether pictures of allegedly malnourished children are bogus or not demonstrate you have no idea why you hate Jews so much.

I think the onus should be on you proving these pictures are bogus, not on me to prove they are not.

 

[Shusha]

I think the onus should be on you proving these pictures are bogus, not on me to prove they are not.

What would you consider proof, though?

 

[JoeB131]

What would you consider proof, though?

Prove every photo is a fake due to digital tampering.

But you know these photos are real. Starving out the Palestinians is the plan.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I posted something elsewhere along those lines. Prolonging the war and the suffering of Gazans is in their evil interests. To make the duplicitous West hate Israel even more.

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The strategy worked on Tommy and Deadstick.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

The strategy worked on Tommy and Deadstick.

They can’t have anything else in their lives

 

[Captain Caveman]

They can’t have anything else in their lives

Well, they are Left Wing.

 

[rosends]

Prove every photo is a fake due to digital tampering.

But you know these photos are real. Starving out the Palestinians is the plan.

They aren't "faked" they are mislabeled. I'll show you how that works. Start with a photo of a cow:

Done. Ta da.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

They aren't "faked" they are mislabeled. I'll show you how that works. Start with a photo of a cow:

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Done. Ta da.

lol.

 

[toomuchtime_]

How am I "out to get them", exactly? By pointing out what they are doing over there.

Pointing out why things happened is hardly justifying it. Again, if Christian Europe feels bad about the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the Pogroms (and they should), then they should slice off a chunk of Europe to be the new Jewish homeland.

It would be like if I said, "Gee, I feel really bad about slavery, so I'm going to give your house to a deserving black family!"

I think your first reaction would be, "I had nothing to do with slavery!" and your second would be, "Why aren't you giving them your house? And these are both very valid points.



Um, okay, hypothetical question. What if those pictures are real? Somehow, I don't think that you will find it in yourself to admit what the Zionists are doing is wrong.



I think the onus should be on you proving these pictures are bogus, not on me to prove they are not.

Far from pointing out what Israel is doing, you make up lies about what Israel is doing so you can vilify Jews. For example, when the Palestinians are criticized for violence against Jews or refusing to live in peace with Jews, you often say, what would you feel if foreigners came and took your home away when you know there is no record of Jews stealing any homes or land from the Arabs. Knowing that, your real question is, what would you do if Jews moved into your neighborhood, and with your supporting Palestinians violence your response is, kill the Jews.

You make up or embrace these lies because you have no idea why you hate Jews so much.

Why would you imagine all those pictures of allegedly starving children in Gaza are true when you know for a fact that at least some of them are bogues? The real question is, are any of them true, and the answer is, there is no way to know.

If you had any idea why you hate Jews so much, you wouldn't have to tell all of these lies.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Prove every photo is a fake due to digital tampering.

But you know these photos are real. Starving out the Palestinians is the plan.

You know for a fact that at least some of these photos are suffering from debilitating diseases and not of starving children and you have no way of knowing if all of them are, yet you embrace that lie, again demonstrating you have no idea why you hate Jews so much.

 

[teddyearp]

Palestinian civilians.

There were a few thousand Palestinian "civilians" who also came with Hamas fighters to rape loot and murder on Oct 7.

 

[teddyearp]

This video really sums it all up very well.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

There were a few thousand Palestinian "civilians" who also came with Hamas fighters to rape loot and murder on Oct 7.

Yes indeed. I wanted to bring that up. All of those barbarians rampaging into Israel were not Hamas.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

 

[Shusha]

But you know these photos are real. Starving out the Palestinians is the plan.

That is disingenuous of you. You know very well that I have not made a single claim that the photographs have been digitally altered.

The claim was that these photos are deliberately deceiving in that the children are not suffering from a lack of access to food but from chronic illness which create an inability in the child's body to properly process nutrition. Children with these types of illnesses die of malnutrition in countries like Canada, the USA, the UK, and elsewhere. Why? Because it isn't the abundance or lack of food that is causing the medical condition.

My claim is that using (exploiting) ill children in this way is intended to deliberately deceive people to believe there is famine and starvation of otherwise healthy people in Gaza, when there is not.

Maryam is receiving treatment for her as yet undiagnosed illness, specifically:

• Intravenous fluids
• Potassium chloride
• High levels of Vitamin A
• Broad spectrum antibiotics
• Ready-to-use therapeutic foods
• Special fortified, therapeutic milk

(From her medical records) SOURCE

Are her medical records proof enough? No, you will probably declare them faked. Would a video of her mother discussing Maryam's illness (Arabic, English translation) be proof enough? What would be proof enough for you?

An article came out today which identifies TWELVE children whose photographs were used in multiple and prominent media (BBC, The Guardian, NYT) as "proof" of widespread famine and starvation, but were, in fact, children suffering horrific diseases. (They were able to access English and Arabic sources. Its paywalled, but I can try to find it.)

Once faced with evidence such as this case, and others, honest people would re-evaluate their opinions. But you are so mired in your Jew-hate that even the most obvious of blood libels bounces.

 

[rosends]

BBC amends article on Gazan woman's 'death by starvation' | The Jerusalem Post

In a statement on Monday, a BBC spokesperson acknowledged that the broadcaster was "not initially aware that Marah Abu Zuhri was being treated for leukemia."

www.jpost.com

 

[Shusha]

BBC amends article on Gazan woman's 'death by starvation' | The Jerusalem Post

In a statement on Monday, a BBC spokesperson acknowledged that the broadcaster was "not initially aware that Marah Abu Zuhri was being treated for leukemia."

www.jpost.com

It is their literal JOB to be aware of the facts of the stories they report.

There is some talk going around about legal action for libel against these media outlets.

 

[Lisa558]

It is their literal JOB to be aware of the facts of the stories they report.

There is some talk going around about legal action for libel against these media outlets.

The leftist rags are so eager to cast Israel in a bad light that they are overly eager to jump on and spread any anti-Israel “news” they get without taking time to verify its veracity.

There needs to be consequences for that.

 

[Shusha]

There needs to be consequences for that.

Absolutely.