Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[Shusha]

I think the Palestinians are resigned to the fact of the Jewish state,

October 7 would suggest that they are less resigned than you might think.

seems only fair that Israelis offer the Palestinians a state of their own.

You mean like in 1937, and 1947, and 1967, 1994, 2000, 2005, 2008, and 2020?

Why haven't they accepted the offer?

 

[Lisa558]

October 7 would suggest that they are less resigned than you might think.

You mean like in 1937, and 1947, and 1967, 1994, 2000, 2005, 2008, and 2020?

Why haven't they accepted the offer?

Because they were required to recognize Israel’s right to exist, and their primary goal is to eradicate Israel, and all her Jews.

But it’s hard for people like Alang to acknowledge that since it would put the fault on the Palestinians - and she is determined to blame Da Jews.

 

[Shusha]

So if someone in the US converts to Judaism they have the right to displace a Palestinian family that already lives there?

You are making a misleading statement. No Palestinian families are displaced every time a Jewish family moves to Israel. And, as we've already discussed, land laws are complicated in Area C, but Arab Palestinians are not being displaced there.

A proper question would be: "If someone in the US converts to Judaism, do they have a streamlined process of application to live in Israel"?

The answer to that question is yes. More importantly is the foundation in law for that answer. Which is: sovereign States have the right to determine their own immigration laws.

 

[alang1216]

Very false perspective when you ignore the 99.5% of the surrounding land, all Arabs, and from which Jews were driven off.

And why should we “take” out Morrocons and Algerians? They’re the worst antisemites, and have made their countries Judenfrei.

Very Biblical, punish the innocent for the sins of others.

 

[Lisa558]

Very Biblical, punish the innocent for the sins of others.

Like the way the Muslim savages massacred innocent Jews, intentionally torturing them to death - and laughing about it?

 

[Lisa558]

Very Biblical, punish the innocent for the sins of others.

Also, you skipped over the main point - that Muslims drove nearly 1 million Jews off their land throughout the Middle East, stealing the land and homes.

 

[alang1216]

And yet, you spin circles trying to deny it so you can deny the Jewish people the same rights as other indigenous peoples.

Do you know of an example where an indigenous people returned to their homeland and the people that were living there left?

 

[alang1216]

Like the way the Muslim savages massacred innocent Jews, intentionally torturing them to death - and laughing about it?

Is that the morality you want Jews to copy?

 

[alang1216]

Also, you skipped over the main point - that Muslims drove nearly 1 million Jews off their land throughout the Middle East, stealing the land and homes.

So that makes everything OK?

 

[alang1216]

October 7 would suggest that they are less resigned than you might think.

You mean like in 1937, and 1947, and 1967, 1994, 2000, 2005, 2008, and 2020?

Why haven't they accepted the offer?

You'll have to ask the Palestinians that but I bet you get lots of different answers.

 

[Shusha]

Do you know of an example where an indigenous people returned to their homeland and the people that were living there left?

Under what conditions do an indigenous peoples LOSE their right to self-determination in their homeland? Just answer the question. It should be able to be applied to all indigenous peoples.

 

[Shusha]

You'll have to ask the Palestinians that but I bet you get lots of different answers.

How many of them will be some version of "We refuse to accept a Jewish State"?

 

[Lisa558]

Is that the morality you want Jews to copy?

No, and they’re not doing that, now are they?

Your willingness to make excuses or overlook wrongdoing by others and hold Jews accountable for being so much kinder reveals your leftist antisemitism.

What other country drops food packages to the enemy that invaded them and massacres them? Is Russia sending aid to Ukrainians?

 

[Lisa558]

How many of them will be some version of "We refuse to accept a Jewish State"?

All of them. Any exception will be the liars.

 

[alang1216]

You are making a misleading statement. No Palestinian families are displaced every time a Jewish family moves to Israel. And, as we've already discussed, land laws are complicated in Area C, but Arab Palestinians are not being displaced there.

A proper question would be: "If someone in the US converts to Judaism, do they have a streamlined process of application to live in Israel"?

The answer to that question is yes. More importantly is the foundation in law for that answer. Which is: sovereign States have the right to determine their own immigration laws.

Do you deny that Palestinians have been displace to make way for Jewish settlements?

 

[alang1216]

Under what conditions do an indigenous peoples LOSE their right to self-determination in their homeland? Just answer the question. It should be able to be applied to all indigenous peoples.

As I previously stated, 3 generations.

 

[Lisa558]

Do you deny that Palestinians have been displace to make way for Jewish settlements?

There are no Jewish settlements in GAZA. The Jews vacated 20 years ago, and all the Palestinians have done since then is show they are too incompetent to govern themselves, or be self-sufficient. The Jews they want to eradicate have been providing them with assistance all this time.

The thing that should be done is for Egypt to take them. They are actually Egyptian grandchildren, now grown.

But Egypt doesn’t want these people either.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I understand your frustration, not all people in US prisons are grateful for their free room and board.

Gaza is and was not a prison. The people there are free to emigrate IF they can find anyone willing to take them. Thanks to the conduct of the Palestinians over the last eighty plus years, no other nation will take them because they are a violent, disruptive minority that creates havoc in their host countries. The only thing stopping them from leaving today is that Egypt won't allow them to use the crossing points. If you are going to blame anyone, blame their fellow Muslims in Egypt. Remember, Isreal tried to return Gaza to Egypt when it returned the Sinai but Egypt wouldn't accept it back. At the same time Israel tried to return the West Bank to Jordan which it had belonged to, but Jordan wouldn't accept it either.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So you're saying that Israel is no better than the Arab countries? I agree.

Nope, Israel is far better. Citizenship was offered to the palestinains in 1947 and they refused it. Their conduct since has made it impossible for them to live an ANY civilized society. That's why the various countries that took the Palestinian refugees in 1947 have them living in so called "refugee camps" which are in reality relatively modern (for the middle east) cities segregated from their own citizens. The Israelis have welcomed the Jewish refugees expelled from the various Islamic countries and made them valued citizens.

 

[Shusha]

As I previously stated, 3 generations.

Great! You’ve just solved the entire Israel/Arab conflict! Israel has been there for three generations.