Hamas-Israel Deal: Who Benefits?

[Hollie]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

The point is: a choke collar on the Islamic terrorists occupying Hamas'istan prevents even more rocket attacks.

 

[Coyote]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

The point is: a choke collar on the Islamic terrorists occupying Hamas'istan prevents even more rocket attacks.

And it's worked brilliantly so far.

Maybe they need to rethink the strategy.

 

[Hollie]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

The point is: a choke collar on the Islamic terrorists occupying Hamas'istan prevents even more rocket attacks.

And it's worked brilliantly so far.

Maybe they need to rethink the strategy.

Maybe the Islamic terrorists need to rethink their Charter. Those goals have been an abysmal failure just as Islamic fascism has been.

I hear ISIS'istan is lovely this time of the 7th century: rape, murder, sex slavery, etc., etc.

Yeah, islamism is working out real well.

 

[Coyote]

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

The point is: a choke collar on the Islamic terrorists occupying Hamas'istan prevents even more rocket attacks.

And it's worked brilliantly so far.

Maybe they need to rethink the strategy.

Maybe the Islamic terrorists need to rethink their Charter. Those goals have been an abysmal failure just as Islamic fascism has been.

I hear ISIS'istan is lovely this time of the 7th century: rape, murder, sex slavery, etc., etc.

Yeah, islamism is working out real well.

Hamas most definately needs to rethink it's charter.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

The point is: a choke collar on the Islamic terrorists occupying Hamas'istan prevents even more rocket attacks.

How can you tell if it is working?

 

[Hollie]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

The point is: a choke collar on the Islamic terrorists occupying Hamas'istan prevents even more rocket attacks.

How can you tell if it is working?

Compare numbers.

Are you required to wear a football helmet during waking hours to avoid injuring yourself?

 

[Bleipriester]

Peace and no more retaliation to illegal rockets. But latest news is that hamas have started to fire illegal rockets again and Israel has responded by targeting senior hamas officials.
So you see it is a two way street and unless the Palestinians start acting like decent human beings they will be treated as scum.

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Not one of those weapons was illegal when used by Israel and that is why the UN has not censured their use. Now that hamas is using W.P. in its rockets along with chemical/biological agents they are a war crime and they are warned about their use.

So produce the IHL that made the weapons illegal when last used by Israel. I note you don't say a word about the depleted uranium bullets used by the Palestinians, now why is that could it be because you are a HYPOCRITE

Of course it is illegal to slaughter civilians. The weapons used prove its is a slaughtering.
What about depleted uranium. Where should the Hamas get it from. US-duds? Tell me, hypocrite and paid Zion writer, is there any kind of US-ammunition without DU?

 

[Kondor3]

...And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war. Do you have a point?

You cannot be at-war with a nonexistent State. So-called 'Palestine' is a "paper state" - a state only on paper - it doesn't actually exist - the UN farce aside.

 

[Kondor3]

...Of course it is illegal to slaughter civilians...

Nobody is slaughtering civilians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

...And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war. Do you have a point?

You cannot be at-war with a nonexistent State. So-called 'Palestine' is a "paper state" - a state only on paper - it doesn't actually exist - the UN farce aside.

If there is no state the war is against civilians.

 

[Bleipriester]

...Of course it is illegal to slaughter civilians...

Nobody is slaughtering civilians.

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kondor3]

...And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war. Do you have a point?

You cannot be at-war with a nonexistent State. So-called 'Palestine' is a "paper state" - a state only on paper - it doesn't actually exist - the UN farce aside.

If there is no state the war is against civilians.

There is merely routine containment and counter-striking against paramilitary forces empowered by the residents of a collection of unincorporated slivers of land.

The blockade is a tool to be utilized in the aforesaid containment effort.

 

[Kondor3]

...Of course it is illegal to slaughter civilians...

Nobody is slaughtering civilians.

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Hamas did not embed their military assets amongst civilian populations, residential neighborhoods, hospitals, schools, mosques, etc., the collateral casualties incurred in silencing and neutralizing those enemy war-assets would never have occurred. It's what happens when pussies hide behind the skirts of their women and children. Tragic.

 

[Bleipriester]

...Of course it is illegal to slaughter civilians...

Nobody is slaughtering civilians.

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Hamas did not embed their military assets amongst civilian populations, residential neighborhoods, hospitals, schools, mosques, etc., the collateral casualties incurred in silencing and neutralizing those enemy war-assets would never have occurred. It's what happens when pussies hide behind the skirts of their women and children. Tragic.

This is what happens when the other side comes down to their level. The Hamas level.

 

[Kondor3]

...Of course it is illegal to slaughter civilians...

Nobody is slaughtering civilians.

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Hamas did not embed their military assets amongst civilian populations, residential neighborhoods, hospitals, schools, mosques, etc., the collateral casualties incurred in silencing and neutralizing those enemy war-assets would never have occurred. It's what happens when pussies hide behind the skirts of their women and children. Tragic.

This is what happens when the other side comes down to their level. The Hamas level.

To make omelettes, ya gotta break a few eggs.

 

[theliq]

...Of course it is illegal to slaughter civilians...

Nobody is slaughtering civilians.

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Hamas did not embed their military assets amongst civilian populations, residential neighborhoods, hospitals, schools, mosques, etc., the collateral casualties incurred in silencing and neutralizing those enemy war-assets would never have occurred. It's what happens when pussies hide behind the skirts of their women and children. Tragic.

This is what happens when the other side comes down to their level. The Hamas level.

To make omelettes, ya gotta break a few eggs.

And when you deliberately Slaughter Palestinians,ya gotta break a lot of heads

 

[Phoenall]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

Under which law is a blockade an act of war. You keep saying this but never give an unbiased and non partisan link to substantiate your claims. As far as the UN and ICC/ICJ are concerned the blockade is legal.

 

[Phoenall]

Peace and no more retaliation to illegal rockets. But latest news is that hamas have started to fire illegal rockets again and Israel has responded by targeting senior hamas officials.
So you see it is a two way street and unless the Palestinians start acting like decent human beings they will be treated as scum.

So when a Hamas member launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians?
And when Israel launches a rocket, it is the Palestinians, as well?

Where did I post that then


The UN and AI have both stated that qassams are illegal weapons and a war crime on two counts.

The Israeli's took out a valid military target with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU herr obergefrieter

It is clear that for you, only Palestinians are guilty.
And you are screaming about Palestinian rockets, while Israel uses weapons that are illegal and murderous.

...with minimal casualties as in accordance with IHL...

"The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...g-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


"Israeli and international human rights organizations accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions improperly during Israel’s three-week military offensive against Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9. Such munitions are not prohibited under international law, but they are not supposed to be used in civilian areas, because white phosphorus is highly flammable and, like napalm, it can burn flesh. Israel maintained that its use of shells containing phosphorus did not violate international law.

Kershner also didn’t mention that Israel initially denied its use of white phosphorus, which would be an behavior had its use of the munitions been legal. The London Times reported on January 5, 2009 that despite Israel’s denials, “the tell-tale shells could be seen spreading tentacles of thick white smoke to cover the troops’ advance.”"
Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During ‘Operation Cast Lead’ | Foreign Policy Journal


"Testimony given to Al-Monitor by Palestinian nurses, doctors and human rights activists indicate that the Israeli army used DIMEs, which causes the loss of limbs and leads to wounds that do not respond to treatment.

DIME weapons "kill their victims through the amputation of limbs in a way that resembles an automated saw. As for those who are able to survive, they are vulnerable to cancer because [the weapons] contain carcinogenic tungsten," reads a July 21 report by Al Jazeera."
Israel accused of using illegal weapons in Gaza war - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Wow. So you're suggesting that Islamic terrorists must be treated with care and consideration so we don't offend their tender islamo-sensibilities?

No, Palestinian Resistance fighters must be treated with care and consideration to demonstrate the life affirming, liberal and democratic values Zionist Israel bleats on about. Go on, demonstrate to the world you are better than them, more superior, kinder, more considerate, god's chosen.

Already been done and they bit the hand that fed them, so like all rabid dogs the only treatment is to put them down

 

[Phoenall]

Nobody is slaughtering civilians.

2014 Israel–Gaza conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Hamas did not embed their military assets amongst civilian populations, residential neighborhoods, hospitals, schools, mosques, etc., the collateral casualties incurred in silencing and neutralizing those enemy war-assets would never have occurred. It's what happens when pussies hide behind the skirts of their women and children. Tragic.

This is what happens when the other side comes down to their level. The Hamas level.

To make omelettes, ya gotta break a few eggs.

And when you deliberately Slaughter Palestinians,ya gotta break a lot of heads

maybe if they stopped terrorising innocent Israeli children and firing illegal weapons they would not get slaughtered every time. So blame the Neanderthal palestinians and not the progressive Israeli's

 

[Phoenall]

Israel Denies Contacts With Hamas on Long-term Truce

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement. “There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.” the statement from Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bureau came after weeks of frequent reports from Palestinian and other Arab media of contacts between Israel and Hamas over a long-term cease-fire. ..

Israel denies contacts with Hamas on long-term truce - Diplomacy and Defense

Much ado about nothing?

I wonder. Often in these sort of things, there are a lot of behind the scenes negotiating - "unofficially" - to see if a suitable framework can be found for some sort of agreement before anything is made public. It's not made public early on because it might amount to nothing and also the political pressures from the various special interest groups mght make it impossible. This is very much the way Nixon dealt with China.

I hope there is validity to it - could be a good thing. Would be nice to see Hamas more interested in governance than terrorism and this would be a positive step towards legitimizing their state.

In the last week hamas has fired 25 illegal rockets at Israel, to which Israel retaliated with an air strike on a senior hamas official. reported by Huffington post yesterday.

And last week there was the blockade which is an act of war.

Do you have a point?

The point is: a choke collar on the Islamic terrorists occupying Hamas'istan prevents even more rocket attacks.

And it's worked brilliantly so far.

Maybe they need to rethink the strategy.

yes maybe a tighter choke collar, or one with barbs