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Those who assert that Hamas has not changed its underlying philosophy are correct; Hamas has not done so, which is appropriate and understandable. Hamas is the armed wing of a liberation movement against a typically fascist settler-colonial entity. As such, it would be feckless, irresponsible, and tantamount to suicide for Hamas to moderate its approach. Like all settler-colonial entities, the nominal state of "Israel" is intent on taking all of Palestine and genociding all Palestinians. Hamas' leadership understands that the so-called two-state proposal has always been a deceitful tactic and that it has long been a physical impossibility.

"We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them. Yes, we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart." --Ariel Sharon, 1973.

Of course, the entity's supporters often argue that Palestine does not exist now, nor has it ever existed, which is fine even though Ottoman census reports dating to the 16th century show otherwise. What cannot be accurately disputed is that, since 1948, more than a million non-Jewish people have been violently driven from their homes by the entity.

So, again, just as it is unfeasible for a settler-colonial presence to diminish its position while remaining a settler-colonial presence, so, too, is it not possible for its liberating counterpart to moderate its position. The immutable impulse toward deliverance is merely the dialectical response to typically violent settler-colonialism. It is a cycle of violence that was inaugurated by the advent of Zionism during the First Aliyah, if not before and one that will not end until state-sponsored Zionism is rescinded or the entity is dismantled. The entity's supporters argue that the rogue "state" has a right to defend itself. In actuality, the entity has a right to defend itself in the same sense that home invasion robbers possess the right to protect themselves from the people whose homes they invade.

So, the Israeli-created Hamas is the same Hamas that carried out the Sbarro Restaurant Massacre and others like it. Although such incidents are always tragic, they are reminiscent of Turtle Island's Tuscarora War and countless other incidences of Indigenous self-defense. Between 1711 and 1715, Tuscarora "Indians" repeatedly razed Carolina squatter settlements and killed settler colonialists/squatters, including women and children. That type of thing is never a good thing, but it's the sort that naturally occurs in a settler colonial/squatter dynamic. It may be likened to the white children who were killed during chattel slave revolts in the Antebellum South. It's always tragic when children die, but it's to be expected when their parents choose to introduce their children to a slave-master dynamic. It applied to settler-colonial "America," settler-colonial "Australia," settler-colonial "Canada," and settler-colonial "Algeria." And it applies today to settler-colonial "Israel."

Although most liberals, in fact, lend themselves to a halfhearted support of Palestinians that includes the entity's alleged right to exist and defend itself, most Marxists do not and never have. Liberals tend to condemn both sides while engaging in puritan politics in which they see a need to have to agree with those they support in every aspect. As an atheist, I, for example, view Islam as being unrelated to the dire need for Palestinian liberation. Hence, Marxists and some liberals, while not finding a need to agree wholeheartedly with Hamas, understand that international law recognizes occupied people's right to armed self-defense. Ergo, we realize that Hamas is not, by definition, a terrorist organization. Like the Tuscarora "Indians" mentioned above, Palestinians defend themselves from those whose intent is to genocide them.

Per the notion that Hamas and Palestinians, more broadly, are merely bloodthirsty savages innately bent on killing Jewish people," it should be remembered that for hundreds of years, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people lived together in relative harmony in what can be called historic Palestine. Irrespective of what one calls that land, the previously mentioned Ottoman census reports show that Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people lived in the same neighborhoods and that it was often difficult to tell them apart from one another. However, the advent of the European imperialist project known as Zionism during the late 19th century changed all of that. Hopefully, the end of Zionism as a political force will lead to the day that Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people will once again live together in relative harmony.

Many of the entity's supporters also claim that it cares about human rights for all. However, that is difficult to reconcile when, aside from its horrific human rights abuses in Gaza, it treats its Arab citizens as second-class citizens. For example, the entity's "Jewish Nation-State Law" prescribes that the right to self-determination in the entity and the occupied territories of Palestine "is unique to the Jewish people." It strengthens apartheid and bigotry toward non-Jews concerning housing by instructing the state to encourage "the development of Jewish [squatter] settlements as a national value."

Another example is the entity's Law of "Return," which allows Jewish people from anywhere in the world the right to immigrate to the entity as well as the occupied territories and to be automatically granted citizenship. Simultaneously, the entity denies Indigenous Palestinians who were driven from their homes during the Nakba the right to return because they're not Jewish.

Finally, among many other such laws, the entity's Absentee Property Law and Land Acquisition Law enables the entity to seize land and other property belonging to Palestinians who were forced from their homes during the Nakba. It is the principal tool used by the entity to steal vast amounts of land and private property from Palestinians who were expelled and denied their right to return, including many who are internally displaced within the entity. These laws, the vile behaviors of the entity's military, and "Israeli" society more broadly show that the entity couldn't care less about providing human rights to all.

As for international law, the entity clearly does not adhere to such law. Indeed, it flaunts it. From its occupation of Palestinian territories to its squatter settlements, its designation of enemy states, and its development of nuclear weapons, the entity deems itself immune from international law. (1) It is an arrogance that demonstrates that, as currently configured, the entity has no right to exist among civilized nations.

*****

(Notes: 1. Although, indeed, the entity is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), we can deduce by its flaunting of international law writ large, that "Israel" would have violated the NPT if it were a signatory. Moreover, had Iraq, for example, not been a signatory to the NPT, it is all but impossible to imagine a scenario in which it would not have been invaded in 1991 for its imagined violation of the NPT.)


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There were no Jews in Gaza. They were forcibly removed by the Israeli government, with much pain and financial loss.

When they left, the commercial and industrial infrastructure that they had built there was quickly destroyed by Hamas.

NOTHING has prevented Hamas from taking the tens of billions of dollars in aid that it has received and using it to make Gaza a replica of, say, Singapore or Hong Kong. But they used that money to fund a war machine, to build weapons, and to build an underground infrastructure with no purpose other than to facilitate a campaign of destruction on its neighbor.

When the war started, Hamas could have sheltered virtually all of its civilian population in the fucking tunnels, but declined to do so. Indeed, it employed very severe measures to maximize civilian deaths and casualties, seeking to exploit the perverse fact that its enemies valued "Palestinian" lives much more than they did.

The facts on the ground are not complicated. Believing "Palestinian" propaganda, as the OP does, is simply pathetic.
 
Those who assert that Hamas has not changed its underlying philosophy are correct; Hamas has not done so, which is appropriate and understandable. Hamas is the armed wing of a liberation movement against a typically fascist settler-colonial entity. As such, it would be feckless, irresponsible, and tantamount to suicide for Hamas to moderate its approach. Like all settler-colonial entities, the nominal state of "Israel" is intent on taking all of Palestine and genociding all Palestinians. Hamas' leadership understands that the so-called two-state proposal has always been a deceitful tactic and that it has long been a physical impossibility.

"We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them. Yes, we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart." --Ariel Sharon, 1973.

Of course, the entity's supporters often argue that Palestine does not exist now, nor has it ever existed, which is fine even though Ottoman census reports dating to the 16th century show otherwise. What cannot be accurately disputed is that, since 1948, more than a million non-Jewish people have been violently driven from their homes by the entity.

So, again, just as it is unfeasible for a settler-colonial presence to diminish its position while remaining a settler-colonial presence, so, too, is it not possible for its liberating counterpart to moderate its position. The immutable impulse toward deliverance is merely the dialectical response to typically violent settler-colonialism. It is a cycle of violence that was inaugurated by the advent of Zionism during the First Aliyah, if not before and one that will not end until state-sponsored Zionism is rescinded or the entity is dismantled. The entity's supporters argue that the rogue "state" has a right to defend itself. In actuality, the entity has a right to defend itself in the same sense that home invasion robbers possess the right to protect themselves from the people whose homes they invade.

So, the Israeli-created Hamas is the same Hamas that carried out the Sbarro Restaurant Massacre and others like it. Although such incidents are always tragic, they are reminiscent of Turtle Island's Tuscarora War and countless other incidences of Indigenous self-defense. Between 1711 and 1715, Tuscarora "Indians" repeatedly razed Carolina squatter settlements and killed settler colonialists/squatters, including women and children. That type of thing is never a good thing, but it's the sort that naturally occurs in a settler colonial/squatter dynamic. It may be likened to the white children who were killed during chattel slave revolts in the Antebellum South. It's always tragic when children die, but it's to be expected when their parents choose to introduce their children to a slave-master dynamic. It applied to settler-colonial "America," settler-colonial "Australia," settler-colonial "Canada," and settler-colonial "Algeria." And it applies today to settler-colonial "Israel."

Although most liberals, in fact, lend themselves to a halfhearted support of Palestinians that includes the entity's alleged right to exist and defend itself, most Marxists do not and never have. Liberals tend to condemn both sides while engaging in puritan politics in which they see a need to have to agree with those they support in every aspect. As an atheist, I, for example, view Islam as being unrelated to the dire need for Palestinian liberation. Hence, Marxists and some liberals, while not finding a need to agree wholeheartedly with Hamas, understand that international law recognizes occupied people's right to armed self-defense. Ergo, we realize that Hamas is not, by definition, a terrorist organization. Like the Tuscarora "Indians" mentioned above, Palestinians defend themselves from those whose intent is to genocide them.

Per the notion that Hamas and Palestinians, more broadly, are merely bloodthirsty savages innately bent on killing Jewish people," it should be remembered that for hundreds of years, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people lived together in relative harmony in what can be called historic Palestine. Irrespective of what one calls that land, the previously mentioned Ottoman census reports show that Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people lived in the same neighborhoods and that it was often difficult to tell them apart from one another. However, the advent of the European imperialist project known as Zionism during the late 19th century changed all of that. Hopefully, the end of Zionism as a political force will lead to the day that Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people will once again live together in relative harmony.

Many of the entity's supporters also claim that it cares about human rights for all. However, that is difficult to reconcile when, aside from its horrific human rights abuses in Gaza, it treats its Arab citizens as second-class citizens. For example, the entity's "Jewish Nation-State Law" prescribes that the right to self-determination in the entity and the occupied territories of Palestine "is unique to the Jewish people." It strengthens apartheid and bigotry toward non-Jews concerning housing by instructing the state to encourage "the development of Jewish [squatter] settlements as a national value."

Another example is the entity's Law of "Return," which allows Jewish people from anywhere in the world the right to immigrate to the entity as well as the occupied territories and to be automatically granted citizenship. Simultaneously, the entity denies Indigenous Palestinians who were driven from their homes during the Nakba the right to return because they're not Jewish.

Finally, among many other such laws, the entity's Absentee Property Law and Land Acquisition Law enables the entity to seize land and other property belonging to Palestinians who were forced from their homes during the Nakba. It is the principal tool used by the entity to steal vast amounts of land and private property from Palestinians who were expelled and denied their right to return, including many who are internally displaced within the entity. These laws, the vile behaviors of the entity's military, and "Israeli" society more broadly show that the entity couldn't care less about providing human rights to all.

As for international law, the entity clearly does not adhere to such law. Indeed, it flaunts it. From its occupation of Palestinian territories to its squatter settlements, its designation of enemy states, and its development of nuclear weapons, the entity deems itself immune from international law. (1) It is an arrogance that demonstrates that, as currently configured, the entity has no right to exist among civilized nations.

*****

(Notes: 1. Although, indeed, the entity is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), we can deduce by its flaunting of international law writ large, that "Israel" would have violated the NPT if it were a signatory. Moreover, had Iraq, for example, not been a signatory to the NPT, it is all but impossible to imagine a scenario in which it would not have been invaded in 1991 for its imagined violation of the NPT.)


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Now do how they teach 8 year olds to be suicide bombers and stab Jews all willy nilly n stuff.
 
Those who assert that Hamas has not changed its underlying philosophy are correct; Hamas has not done so, which is appropriate and understandable. Hamas is the armed wing of a liberation movement against a typically fascist settler-colonial entity. As such, it would be feckless, irresponsible, and tantamount to suicide for Hamas to moderate its approach. Like all settler-colonial entities, the nominal state of "Israel" is intent on taking all of Palestine and genociding all Palestinians. Hamas' leadership understands that the so-called two-state proposal has always been a deceitful tactic and that it has long been a physical impossibility.

"We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them. Yes, we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart." --Ariel Sharon, 1973.

Of course, the entity's supporters often argue that Palestine does not exist now, nor has it ever existed, which is fine even though Ottoman census reports dating to the 16th century show otherwise. What cannot be accurately disputed is that, since 1948, more than a million non-Jewish people have been violently driven from their homes by the entity.

So, again, just as it is unfeasible for a settler-colonial presence to diminish its position while remaining a settler-colonial presence, so, too, is it not possible for its liberating counterpart to moderate its position. The immutable impulse toward deliverance is merely the dialectical response to typically violent settler-colonialism. It is a cycle of violence that was inaugurated by the advent of Zionism during the First Aliyah, if not before and one that will not end until state-sponsored Zionism is rescinded or the entity is dismantled. The entity's supporters argue that the rogue "state" has a right to defend itself. In actuality, the entity has a right to defend itself in the same sense that home invasion robbers possess the right to protect themselves from the people whose homes they invade.

So, the Israeli-created Hamas is the same Hamas that carried out the Sbarro Restaurant Massacre and others like it. Although such incidents are always tragic, they are reminiscent of Turtle Island's Tuscarora War and countless other incidences of Indigenous self-defense. Between 1711 and 1715, Tuscarora "Indians" repeatedly razed Carolina squatter settlements and killed settler colonialists/squatters, including women and children. That type of thing is never a good thing, but it's the sort that naturally occurs in a settler colonial/squatter dynamic. It may be likened to the white children who were killed during chattel slave revolts in the Antebellum South. It's always tragic when children die, but it's to be expected when their parents choose to introduce their children to a slave-master dynamic. It applied to settler-colonial "America," settler-colonial "Australia," settler-colonial "Canada," and settler-colonial "Algeria." And it applies today to settler-colonial "Israel."

Although most liberals, in fact, lend themselves to a halfhearted support of Palestinians that includes the entity's alleged right to exist and defend itself, most Marxists do not and never have. Liberals tend to condemn both sides while engaging in puritan politics in which they see a need to have to agree with those they support in every aspect. As an atheist, I, for example, view Islam as being unrelated to the dire need for Palestinian liberation. Hence, Marxists and some liberals, while not finding a need to agree wholeheartedly with Hamas, understand that international law recognizes occupied people's right to armed self-defense. Ergo, we realize that Hamas is not, by definition, a terrorist organization. Like the Tuscarora "Indians" mentioned above, Palestinians defend themselves from those whose intent is to genocide them.

Per the notion that Hamas and Palestinians, more broadly, are merely bloodthirsty savages innately bent on killing Jewish people," it should be remembered that for hundreds of years, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people lived together in relative harmony in what can be called historic Palestine. Irrespective of what one calls that land, the previously mentioned Ottoman census reports show that Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people lived in the same neighborhoods and that it was often difficult to tell them apart from one another. However, the advent of the European imperialist project known as Zionism during the late 19th century changed all of that. Hopefully, the end of Zionism as a political force will lead to the day that Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, and secular people will once again live together in relative harmony.

Many of the entity's supporters also claim that it cares about human rights for all. However, that is difficult to reconcile when, aside from its horrific human rights abuses in Gaza, it treats its Arab citizens as second-class citizens. For example, the entity's "Jewish Nation-State Law" prescribes that the right to self-determination in the entity and the occupied territories of Palestine "is unique to the Jewish people." It strengthens apartheid and bigotry toward non-Jews concerning housing by instructing the state to encourage "the development of Jewish [squatter] settlements as a national value."

Another example is the entity's Law of "Return," which allows Jewish people from anywhere in the world the right to immigrate to the entity as well as the occupied territories and to be automatically granted citizenship. Simultaneously, the entity denies Indigenous Palestinians who were driven from their homes during the Nakba the right to return because they're not Jewish.

Finally, among many other such laws, the entity's Absentee Property Law and Land Acquisition Law enables the entity to seize land and other property belonging to Palestinians who were forced from their homes during the Nakba. It is the principal tool used by the entity to steal vast amounts of land and private property from Palestinians who were expelled and denied their right to return, including many who are internally displaced within the entity. These laws, the vile behaviors of the entity's military, and "Israeli" society more broadly show that the entity couldn't care less about providing human rights to all.

As for international law, the entity clearly does not adhere to such law. Indeed, it flaunts it. From its occupation of Palestinian territories to its squatter settlements, its designation of enemy states, and its development of nuclear weapons, the entity deems itself immune from international law. (1) It is an arrogance that demonstrates that, as currently configured, the entity has no right to exist among civilized nations.

*****

(Notes: 1. Although, indeed, the entity is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), we can deduce by its flaunting of international law writ large, that "Israel" would have violated the NPT if it were a signatory. Moreover, had Iraq, for example, not been a signatory to the NPT, it is all but impossible to imagine a scenario in which it would not have been invaded in 1991 for its imagined violation of the NPT.)


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Hamas should he hit from as many angles as possible, until they no longer exist.

I'd be fine with that.
 
There were no Jews in Gaza. They were forcibly removed by the Israeli government, with much pain and financial loss.

When they left, the commercial and industrial infrastructure that they had built there was quickly destroyed by Hamas.

NOTHING has prevented Hamas from taking the tens of billions of dollars in aid that it has received and using it to make Gaza a replica of, say, Singapore or Hong Kong. But they used that money to fund a war machine, to build weapons, and to build an underground infrastructure with no purpose other than to facilitate a campaign of destruction on its neighbor.

When the war started, Hamas could have sheltered virtually all of its civilian population in the fucking tunnels, but declined to do so. Indeed, it employed very severe measures to maximize civilian deaths and casualties, seeking to exploit the perverse fact that its enemies valued "Palestinian" lives much more than they did.

The facts on the ground are not complicated. Believing "Palestinian" propaganda, as the OP does, is simply pathetic.

They're just gangsters and thugs.
 
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Muzzies have no art, they have no music, they have no history educational institutions, they have no science, they have no agriculture, they have no inventiveness, no creativity, they have no (ZERO) work ethic AT ALL, they are molesters of little boys (man-love thursdays), they abuse, humiliate and demean women, they wipe their asses with their bare hand and call bacon filthy...... Much more. Much much more.

Here is a website that documents their depravity and uselessness.


Learn about it. Don't be taken in.
 
Nah, they really are just gangsters and thugs. They could care less about 'duh people', they're just bodies to hide behind.

What kind of 'people' build a religion around a man who married his favorite wife (Aisha) at age 6 and consummated the marriage when she was age 9....?? (common knowledge)

Muzzies, that's who.

What kind of person advocates for raping female prisoners, in front of their husbands, no less, as perfectly acceptable? Why, the kind you build a religion around, of course.... Sunan Abi Dawud 2155 - Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

No wonder they're dimocrap friends
 
The birth place of Jesus Christ was in Palestine which is an area of land on both sides of the Jordan River.

Christians were the reason large amounts of Arabs came to the Christian land of Jesus.

Christians built Israel from the rubble of Palestine left destroyed by 500 years of Moslem rule

Sorry folks. call them what you want, define the people's and struggles how you want, but the fact remains the Middle East is ruled by medieval religious fanatics who are intent on killing all non-moslems.

Even moslems are in danger, depending on which sect of Islam becomes strong enough to destroy the other.

It is insanity supporting any moslem in the middle east if anywhere
 
on pita bread......


one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter on this rock Picaro

that is not to advocate any side here

it's the perspective of those who can't see beyond black/white

~S~
"one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter on this rock"
Not True!

Who is targeted is the difference.

Terrorists generally don't care about "collateral damage"= untargeted innocents killed or wounded. In fact, Terrorists often include "untargeted innocents" in order to increase the "terror" aspect of their attacks.

Freedom Fighters on the other hand prefer to avoid killing/wounding innocent bystanders when at all possible. Will often go to great lengths in planning and execution to assure such as much as possible.

A classic example of the difference is to be found in a scene from the 1963 movie; "The Great Escape" *

In the latter half of the movie, after the '76' POWs have escaped, there is a scene involving one of them, portrayed by the actor James Colburn - "Flying Officer Sedgwick ('The Manufacturer'): an Australian officer who constructs tools for the escape".

The scene opens when we see Sedgwick(Colburn) seated at a table in an open air, sidewalk cafe; in an unspecified French city. The cafe is on a corner of an intersection of two streets.

A passenger car pulls up to the curb and three German military officers get out and sit at a nearby table. They place their order with a waiter and in a moment are served their bottle and glasses. On his way back to the serving bar, the waiter stops by Colburn/Sedgwick and mentions he has a phone call.

Colburn/Sedgwick gives the impression of a quizzical response, after all, he's a stranger in this city and who would be calling him on the phone? The waiter is insistent that he has a "phone call" and directs him to the back bar.

As ColburnSedgwick reaches the back bar and picks up the phone receiver ~ "Hallo ?"; we see the two waiters have ducked down behind the bar and one of them reaches up to tug Colburn's arm and nudge him down behind the bar.

Within a couple of seconds we see a sedan come down the road and make a right turn, stopping in front of the table where the three German officers are sitting. The muzzle of a machine gun (MG 42?) pops out of the rear seat open window and there is a short burst of gunfire. As the car speeds away we see the three German officers, sprawled dead on the ground among the shattered chairs and tables.

As the two waiters and Colburn rise up to survey what has happened, Colburn looks to the waiters and asks: "Resistance?"
He then reveals his identity as an escaped Allied POW and future scenes will show him being aided to slip across the border into Spain. He will be one of the only three of the 76 escapees to get back to Allied lines. About 50+ of the other 73, recaptured, will be executed by the Gestapo.
.............
"Terrorists" would not have bothered to call and warn the restaurant/cafe of the up coming, immediate attack nor would they have cared about any innocent bystanders being caught in the over-fire/cross-fire and also being killed or wounded. In fact, "terrorists" often want there to be many innocent victims in order to increase the "terror" aspect of their attacks.

"Freedom Fighters" would care about their fellow citizens being killed/wounded in such an attack against an enemy occupier and would go to any reasonable lengths to prevent their fellow citizens/countrymen also being victims of such an attack, caught in a crossfire/over-shoot.
............
To most intelligent and reasonable persons, this is a clear example of the difference between a terrorist and freedom fighter and shows your statement blurring the two to be bogus!

In fact it displays one or more of the following on your part;

1) You have poor command and understanding of English and fail to distinguish the definition differences between "terrorist" and "freedom fighter".
2) You fail to grasp the lessons in history which will provide clear examples of the differences between the two terms/concepts.
3) You have intentionally sought to blur and confuse the two concepts to advance a propaganda agenda of disinformation and confusion.
4) All three of the above.

I'm inclined to go with "4)" given what I've seen of your activities on this forum.
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*The Great Escape is a 1963 American epic historical war adventure film[2] starring Steve McQueen, James Garner and Richard Attenborough and featuring James Donald, Charles Bronson, Donald Pleasence, James Coburn, Hannes Messemer, David McCallum, Gordon Jackson, John Leyton and Angus Lennie. It was filmed in Panavision, and its musical score was composed by Elmer Bernstein.
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"one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter on this rock"
Not True!

Who is targeted is the difference.

Terrorists generally don't care about "collateral damage"= untargeted innocents killed or wounded. In fact, Terrorists often include "untargeted innocents" in order to increase the "terror" aspect of their attacks.

Freedom Fighters on the other hand prefer to avoid killing/wounding innocent bystanders when at all possible. Will often go to great lengths in planning and execution to assure such as much as possible.

A classic example of the difference is to be found in a scene from the 1963 movie; "The Great Escape" *

In the latter half of the movie, after the '76' POWs have escaped, there is a scene involving one of them, portrayed by the actor James Colburn - "Flying Officer Sedgwick ('The Manufacturer'): an Australian officer who constructs tools for the escape".

The scene opens when we see Sedgwick(Colburn) seated at a table in an open air, sidewalk cafe; in an unspecified French city. The cafe is on a corner of an intersection of two streets.

A passenger car pulls up to the curb and three German military officers get out and sit at a nearby table. They place their order with a waiter and in a moment are served their bottle and glasses. On his way back to the serving bar, the waiter stops by Colburn/Sedgwick and mentions he has a phone call.

Colburn/Sedgwick gives the impression of a quizzical response, after all, he's a stranger in this city and who would be calling him on the phone? The waiter is insistent that he has a "phone call" and directs him to the back bar.

As ColburnSedgwick reaches the back bar and picks up the phone receiver ~ "Hallo ?"; we see the two waiters have ducked down behind the bar and one of them reaches up to tug Colburn's arm and nudge him down behind the bar.

Within a couple of seconds we see a sedan come down the road and make a right turn, stopping in front of the table where the three German officers are sitting. The muzzle of a machine gun (MG 42?) pops out of the rear seat open window and there is a short burst of gunfire. As the car speeds away we see the three German officers, sprawled dead on the ground among the shattered chairs and tables.

As the two waiters and Colburn rise up to survey what has happened, Colburn looks to the waiters and asks: "Resistance?"
He then reveals his identity as an escaped Allied POW and future scenes will show him being aided to slip across the border into Spain. He will be one of the only three of the 76 escapees to get back to Allied lines. About 50+ of the other 73, recaptured, will be executed by the Gestapo.
.............
"Terrorists" would not have bothered to call and warn the restaurant/cafe of the up coming, immediate attack nor would they have cared about any innocent bystanders being caught in the over-fire/cross-fire and also being killed or wounded. In fact, "terrorists" often want there to be many innocent victims in order to increase the "terror" aspect of their attacks.

"Freedom Fighters" would care about their fellow citizens being killed/wounded in such an attack against an enemy occupier and would go to any reasonable lengths to prevent their fellow citizens/countrymen also being victims of such an attack, caught in a crossfire/over-shoot.
............
To most intelligent and reasonable persons, this is a clear example of the difference between a terrorist and freedom fighter and shows your statement blurring the two to be bogus!

In fact it displays one or more of the following on your part;

1) You have poor command and understanding of English and fail to distinguish the definition differences between "terrorist" and "freedom fighter".
2) You fail to grasp the lessons in history which will provide clear examples of the differences between the two terms/concepts.
3) You have intentionally sought to blur and confuse the two concepts to advance a propaganda agenda of disinformation and confusion.
4) All three of the above.

I'm inclined to go with "4)" given what I've seen of your activities on this forum.
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*The Great Escape is a 1963 American epic historical war adventure film[2] starring Steve McQueen, James Garner and Richard Attenborough and featuring James Donald, Charles Bronson, Donald Pleasence, James Coburn, Hannes Messemer, David McCallum, Gordon Jackson, John Leyton and Angus Lennie. It was filmed in Panavision, and its musical score was composed by Elmer Bernstein.
...

Excellent post.
 
People act like the current occupants (Muzzies) always owned/governed the land they say they're being displaced from.

Nothing could be further from the truth. For Centuries, the Persians held it. Around 300BC, Greece (Alexander) took it from them. They held it for a couple of Centuries until Rome took it from Greece. They held it for a half f a Millennium until Mohammed gathered enough goat-fuckers to take it from them. A couple hundred years later, Christians re-invaded and took a lot of it back (The Crusades). Then they looked around and said, "WTF are we fighting for?" and left. Then the Turks moved in. Then the Brits took it away from them. And created Israel. Because, it was the right thing to do.
 

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