Rigby5
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Wrong.
Palestine is on maps going back to the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.
It was officially restored in 1920, with the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.
How many of you believe that "From River to Sea, Palestine must be free" is a
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Wrong.
Palestine is on maps going back to the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.
It was officially restored in 1920, with the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.
Billiejeens
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There is no other way to see it.
Rigby5
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Yes, everyone knows that the taking of 90% of Palestine by Zionists, and the murder, expulsion, or imprisonment of millions of Palestinian natives is genocide.
Israel is the most genocidal nation in the entire history of the planet.
We even see it in 1000 BC when Joshua invaded Jericho and massacred all the Canaanites, including women and children.
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Poor baby
Rigby5
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I'm of a different mind as deserves has everything to do with it.
If the world woke-up in the morning and every Pali had vanished the world would breathe a sigh of relief.....No question about that at all.
Wrong.
They not only are the natives, but are the ones who paid for all the land and have all the titles and deed in their name.
So displacing the Palestinians means you are justify genocide, murder, and theft.
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Rigby5
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Wrong.
Hamas has never said to "kill them all", only Israelis have said that.
How else do you think they could have taken 90% of Palestine?
They obviously are the self centered narcissists who believe in genocide.
The Palestinians are not only friendly and naively invited the Euro Jewish refugees to begin with, but they have never stolen land and never harmed anyone except in retaliation for much larger murders by Zionists.
Rigby5
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Wrong.
The Zionist have always been the ones who started all the violence.
Go back to when Menachim Begin blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel in 1946.
He did that so the British could not stop his gangs from massacring hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.
Its obvious.
Who murdered, imprisoned, or expelled millions of the native land owners so they could steal 90% of Palestine from the legal land owners?
Who is imposing the illegal starvation blockade on the Palestinians for decades?
Rigby5
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Since 2005, Hamas and other groups in Gaza have launched over 20,000 rockets and mortars at Israel.
Hamas Foundational Objectives (from the 1988 Charter):
- Establishment of an Islamic State in Palestine: Hamas' original charter called for the creation of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine, replacing the State of Israel.
- Rejection of Negotiations and Peace Settlements: The charter explicitly rejected any negotiated peace settlements with Israel and advocated for the use of Jihad to achieve its goals.
- Armed Resistance Against Israeli Occupation: Hamas' military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, was formed to engage in armed resistance against Israel, aiming to end the Israeli occupation and achieve Palestinian liberation.
Hamas and other groups want Israel eradicated!
Doctrine of Hamas
www.wilsoncenter.org
Israel objectives since 2007...
- Primary Objective: A major and consistent Israeli objective has been to ensure the security of its citizens and prevent attacks originating from Gaza, which is governed by Hamas, a designated terrorist organization.
- Hamas Threat: This objective is largely shaped by Hamas's control of Gaza and its stated goals, which include the destruction of Israel.
- Border Control: Israel has implemented a blockade of Gaza since 2007, restricting the movement of people and goods to prevent the flow of weapons and materials that could be used for attacks.
The above is not from FOX NEWS but evidently that's all you know! Shame on you and dummies like you that continue to form opinions by the extremely biased MSM that donated 96% to Hillary in 2016 and Biden 90% in 2020 and as a result presented biased news such as you believe in.
A timeline of the Gaza Strip in modern history
While "owning" land is a term that appears to be more applicable to real estate than to territories, the Palestinians see the Gaza Strip as an integral part of their future state, even if the rulers have changed over decades.www.pbs.org
FACTS dummy not guesses!
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How much aid has Israel sent to GAZA?
Aid to GAZA Facilitated by Israel:
- Truckloads: Israel facilitates the entry of a large number of aid trucks into Gaza. For example, AIPAC notes that as of March 2025, Israel was facilitating the entry of more than 1,000 trucks of aid per week.
- Tonnage: AIPAC also reported that since the start of the war, 280,080 tons of aid had entered Gaza on 15,207 trucks.
- Types of Aid: This includes food, water, medicine, fuel, and shelter supplies.
- Food Deliveries: Food deliveries are reported to be above pre-war levels, with more food trucks entering Gaza than before the war.
- Fuel Supplies: Israel replenishes fuel supplies for the United Nations and essential operations of water and sanitation systems as needed.
- Water: While most of Gaza's water is locally sourced, Israel continues to provide water and has worked with the UN to repair water infrastructure.
- Medical Supplies: Israel has facilitated the delivery of significant amounts of medical supplies, including more than 18,400 tons since the start of the war.
Has Hamas sent and aid to Israel?
No, there are no credible reports or evidence to suggest that Hamas has sent aid to Israel.
Hamas is a militant group that has been in conflict with Israel for years, and the two sides are considered enemies
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In fact, the opposite is true:
In summary: There is no evidence that Hamas has sent aid to Israel, and the focus remains on the ongoing conflict and humanitarian aid efforts to Gaza facilitated by Israel and international organizations.
- Israel facilitates aid to Gaza: Despite the ongoing conflict, Israel facilitates the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza, including food, water, medicine, and shelter supplies.
- Hamas is accused of diverting aid: There are accusations, including by Israeli officials, that Hamas diverts some of the aid intended for Gazan civilians for its own use, including funding its activities.
- Focus on conflict and attacks: Instead of providing aid, Hamas continues to engage in attacks against Israel, including rocket fire, while also holding Israeli hostages.
Total lies.
Israel has never "given" any aid to the Palestinians, but instead has charged NWAR for anything they megerly allow.
Palestinians never started any violence, and originally had invited the Euro Jewish refugees.
And it is a lie to claim Hamas wants all Israelis dead.
Hamas agreed to a 2 state solution as far back as 2011.
But legally all the land is owned by Palestinians, and none of the Israelis have ever paid for any of the land they took.
Rigby5
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Yes, and clearly the invading Polish and Russian Zionists like Netanyahu are the guilty.
Rigby5
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You should care, because what succeeds is what is copied by others in the future.
So if you can let these Polish and Russian invaders steal Palestine, than no one else will be safe in the future.
You will be supporting "Might Makes Right" of feudalism instead of the defense of inherent individual rights of a republic.
Rigby5
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How can invaders who blew up the British peacekeepers so that they could massacre hundreds of native villages, be "good people"?
Rigby5
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That is an obvious lie since there were always about 30k Jews living in Palestine, who were never mistreated.
It was the Palestinians who invited the Jewish refugees from Europe to come to Palestine in the first place in 1920.
The Hebrew were also Arabs.
The only people who are not Arab are the Turkic converts from Poland and Russia, like Netanyahu.
Israel is full of narcissistic, greedy, and violent lunatics.
The idea is not to "change their minds" but instead to get the UN to enforce actual law and make them return the stolen land.
Rigby5
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So you are OK with Hamas murdering thousands of Palestinians right while 3 Hamas leaders continue to be billionaires?
Would you feel the same way on 9/11/2001... OK for terrorists to kill eventually . The BBC reports that as of December 2023, 6,781 people who were registered with the program have died from illnesses or cancers linked to their time near or at Ground Zero. AND The official death toll from September 11, 2001, stands at 2,977 victims (excluding the 19 hijackers).
How Many People Died in 9/11?
Discover how many people died in 9/1 including victims from the attacks and post-9/11 illnesses. A detailed look at the tragic toll and lasting impact.fireandsafetyjournalamericas.com
Hamas's actions that have led to Palestinian deaths:
- Firing rockets from civilian areas: Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have fired rockets from or near civilian areas within Gaza, potentially endangering civilians and leading to casualties.
- Utilizing civilian infrastructure for military purposes: Hamas is accused of using schools, hospitals, and other civilian buildings to store weapons, launch attacks, and conceal tunnel entrances, effectively turning these locations into potential targets.
- Failed rocket launches: A significant number of rockets fired by Palestinian armed groups, including Hamas, have misfired and landed within Gaza, causing civilian casualties.
- Exploiting civilians as human shields: Hamas is accused of deliberately endangering civilians by firing rockets from populated areas, storing weapons in civilian buildings, and urging civilians to ignore evacuation orders, placing them at risk during Israeli responses.
- Intimidation and violence against dissent: There have been reports of Hamas suppressing dissent and using force against those who criticize their rule, according to Amnesty International.
But of course you don't agree as you are an Anti-freedom truly uninformed ignoramus!
Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Total lies.
Hamas never fires their homemade rockets first.
They only retaliate after Israel has murdered thousands.
Every rocket launch is more than justified.
Bomb shelters under schools and hospitals are NOT "for military purposes".
It is Israel who is attacking and Hamas is just trying to hide, which is perfectly legal.
Israel is the one using illegal intimidation to censor.
Israel has murdered, imprisoned, or illegally exiled millions of Palestinian natives.
Rigby5
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Obviously the Palestinians are the natives and rightful owners who paid for all the land in Palestine.
Obviously the Israelis are illegal immigrant invaders who stole 90% of Palestine without paying for any of it.
Rigby5
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Palestinian cries of "From the river to the sea" do, indeed, represent a call for genocide directed against the Jews of Israel.
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Israel is a highly-valued economic, cultural and military ally in the Eastern Med and the Middle East (Levant).
A bulwark against barbarian Islamist Regimes in the region.
They were savagely and unjustifiably attacked on October 7, 2023.
The actions of Hamas on October 7th were a de facto Declaration of War.
Israel accepted the challenge and has been waging war against Hamas and its Gazan enablers since that time.
Hamas and the Gazans are Losing the War.
Hamas embeds its fighters and military assets and ops centers amongst hospitals, schools, mosques, relief centers, etc.
Hiding behind the skirts of their women and children like the chicken$hit pu$$ie$ that they truly are.
Thereby necessitating bombing and assaults upon such centers in order to destroy Hamas personnel and assets.
The Western Allies did much the same thing in Hamburg and Dresden and Schweinfurt and Tokyo and Hiroshima, etc.
To win a War one must defeat both the adversary's military and destroy the adversary's civilian support and enabling morale.
There is no Arab-Muslim cavalry coming over the hill to the rescue... their neighbors gave up on that idiocy after 1973.
Gazans stand alone and they are dying by the truckload and they are quickly running out of time to try to end this.
Gazans can end this in a single day.
Surrender. Unconditionally.
Disband Hamas and surrender all Hamas leadership and all Hamas cadre that participated in the October 7th attacks.
Return all hostages - living and dead.
Disclose all remaining Hamas tunnel systems and weapons caches and operations centers.
Form a provisional Gaza government to speak for Gaza that excludes Hamas and radical Islamists that answers to Israel.
Accept Israeli military occupation and civilian leadership for an interim period of a year or two or three to quiet things down.
The choice belongs to the Gazans.
Surrender, and live...
Or keep fighting, and die...
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Death to Hamas...
Death to Hezbollah...
Go Team Israel...
That is stupid because if Hamas surrenders, all Palestinians will be killed or illegally deported.
The only way for the natives Palestinians to survive is to continue retaliating for all the massacres committed by the Israelis.
Again, it is Menachim Begin who started all the violence by blowing up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel in 1946.
Rigby5
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No one is killing Jews.
All the people being murdered are unarmed civilian Palestinians.
healthmyths
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Where is your proof? This obviously has no credibility. Now here are the facts again!
Since 2005, Hamas and other terrorist groups in Gaza have launched over 20,000 rockets and mortars at Israel, carried out more than one hundred suicide bombings, and dug dozens of terror tunnels into Israeli communities...
BIG DIFFERENCE as Israel hasn't until the 10/7/23 attacking by HAMAS was there any similar responses against Gaza by Israel!
Iran’s doomsday clock for Israel’s end halts amid power cuts
Public timer, which is set to mark destruction of Jewish state in 2040 as predicted by Khamenei, reportedly stops working amid rolling blackouts that are crippling Iranian life
www.timesofisrael.com
Hamas, in its founding charter of 1988, explicitly stated its objective to destroy Israel and replace it with a Palestinian Islamic state. The charter emphasizes a commitment to "jihad" (holy war) as the only solution to the Palestinian problem and rejects any negotiated peace settlements.
- Hamas is an Islamist militant group that spun off from the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood in the late 1980s. It took over the Gaza Strip after defeating its rival political party, Fatah, in elections in 2006.
- Governments including the United States and European Union have designated Hamas a terrorist organization over its attacks against Israel, which have included suicide bombings and rocket attacks.
- Israel declared war on Hamas following its surprise assault on the country’s south in October 2023, the deadliest attack in Israeli history, and has killed many of the group’s senior leaders in recent months.
What Is Hamas?
The Palestinian militant group struggled to govern the Gaza Strip before launching a surprise attack on Israel in 2023. Now facing Israel’s military campaign to destroy it, Hamas’s future is in doubt…
www.cfr.org
Kondor3
Cafeteria Centrist
Nope. Once Hamas surrenders Gazans can rest easier. No one will be killed. Deporation(s) are possible but unlikely.
If Hamas (the Gazan military) persists and does surrender then Gazans will continue to die. Their choice.
Irrelevant.
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