Haaretz: Israel Really Portrays Itself as "Israel At War" Rather Than in the Middle of a Mass Slaughter of Women & Children in Gaza

[Toddsterpatriot]

You and Ted Cruz sitting in a tree K I S S I N G.
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Did you cry yourself asleep when the Berlin Wall came down?
For how long? A year? Longer?

You're still crying over the collapse of the Soviet Union, aren't you?

 

[GLASNOST]

Let’s play a game to determine your sanity.

Assume the report is accurate and your nation of Israel has murdered close to 400,000 Palestinians, half children, do you still support it?

You won the game and proved your point.

 

[Shusha]

You won the game and proved your point.

What was the point?

That Israel should be condemned for acts that it has not, in point of fact, committed?

I refuse to play a game where one makes up a blatant and irresponsible falsehood about Israel and then performs a purity test on those refusing to condemn Israel for what it hasn't done.

This is what a blood libel IS: falsely and maliciously accusing Israel (the Jewish people) of committing an atrocity and then holding them to account for an act that they have not committed.

 

[gipper]

What was the point?

That Israel should be condemned for acts that it has not, in point of fact, committed?

I refuse to play a game where one makes up a blatant and irresponsible falsehood about Israel and then performs a purity test on those refusing to condemn Israel for what it hasn't done.

This is what a blood libel IS: falsely and maliciously accusing Israel (the Jewish people) of committing an atrocity and then holding them to account for an act that they have not committed.

The doctors have judged you to be insane. You must report to the insane asylum, where you will be confined for the rest of your life. I recommend you be placed in a straight jacket for your own safety.

 

[Shusha]

The doctors have judged you to be insane. You must report to the insane asylum, where you will be confined for the rest of your life. I recommend you be placed in a straight jacket for your own safety.

You have reversed the definitions of sanity and insanity. Sanity is the ability to distinguish reality from not-reality.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The doctors have judged you to be insane. You must report to the insane asylum, where you will be confined for the rest of your life. I recommend you be placed in a straight jacket for your own safety.

How Soviet of you.

 

[Grau]

Sigh. I live in Canada.

The nature of the conflict is that Arabs refuse self-determination for the Jewish people. You could label that religious, or ethnic, or national. Are there examples of non-Arab self-determination in the Arab world?

OK, so you're from Canada. ... Have you ever been to the Middle East?

I think you have the conflict reversed .

The primary "crime" of the Palestinians was already living on land coveted by foreign Zionist mass murderers supported by powerful foreign Colonial Powers.

How do you deny the simple fact that Palestinians were there first and that modern day Israelis are no more related to the Ancient Hebrew warriors than they are related to the Eskimos?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

OK, so you're from Canada. ... Have you ever been to the Middle East?

I think you have the conflict reversed .

The primary "crime" of the Palestinians was already living on land coveted by foreign Zionist mass murderers supported by powerful foreign Colonial Powers.

How do you deny the simple fact that Palestinians were there first and that modern day Israelis are no more related to the Ancient Hebrew warriors than they are related to the Eskimos?

The primary "crime" of the Palestinians was already living on land

Ottoman land.

How do you deny the simple fact that Palestinians were there first

The Arabs were in Judea and Samaria first?

 

[Grau]

The primary "crime" of the Palestinians was already living on land

Ottoman land.

How do you deny the simple fact that Palestinians were there first

The Arabs were in Judea and Samaria first?

The Canaanites were in the Levant long before anyone heard of "Judea and Samaria "

What's that got to do with FOREIGN European Nazi trained Zionist terrorist gangs invading Palestine?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Canaanites were in the Levant long before anyone heard of "Judea and Samaria "

What's that got to do with FOREIGN European Nazi trained Zionist terrorist gangs invading Palestine?

The Arabs were in Arabia. They should go back.

 

[GLASNOST]

Let’s play a game to determine your sanity.

Assume the report is accurate and your nation of Israel has murdered close to 400,000 Palestinians, half children, do you still support it?

You won the game and proved your point.

What was the point?

That you support the murder of 400,000 Palestinians, half of which are children.

 

[Grau]

The Arabs were in Arabia. They should go back.

Palestinian Jews and Arabs got along reasonably well until the invasion of Nazi trained and Armed terrorist gangs from Europe, Khazaria, Brooklyn etc etc.

The native Jews are not the problem, the native Arabs are not the problem, the Zionist aggressors are the problem.



“Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians - +972 Magazine

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time. By Noam Rotem Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in...

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EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.”

Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly.

Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.”CONTINUED

 

[GLASNOST]

The native Jews are not the problem, the native Arabs are not the problem, the Zionist aggressors are the problem.

Crush Israel, rename it Palestine, and deport all Zionists back to New York.

 

[Grau]

Crush Israel, rename it Palestine, and deport all Zionists back to New York.

Just give the world's 1.8 Billion Muslims and the growing number of ethical countries who are fed up with the "Mad Dog" Zionist pariah a little time.

Even the brainwashed and gullible "Israel Firsters" are getting fed up with wasting America's $ Trillions on Zionist genocide and regional aggression.

Thanks,

 

[Shusha]

OK, so you're from Canada. ... Have you ever been to the Middle East?

I am Canadian and living in Canada. Of course I have been to the ME. And not 50 years ago.

I think you have the conflict reversed.

Pretty sure I haven't. Self-determination for the Jewish people (who are clearly indigenous to that land and who have clearly inhabited that land for millennia). Self-determination for a specific national group of Arabs (who have also inhabited that land for some centuries).

There is no conflict with this stance. The conflict only appears when self-determination is demanded for some and denied for others.

How do you deny the simple fact that Palestinians were there first and that modern day Israelis are no more related to the Ancient Hebrew warriors than they are related to the Eskimos?

How do I deny it? Because it is a silly stance to take. The collective of the Jewish people is an ethnic designation incorporating culture, language, religion, history, life celebrations, holidays, rituals, and all the things that make a distinct people a distinct people. There is NO QUESTION that the Jewish people are the only existing people whose ethnic culture originated in that land and lived on that land throughout their history, despite the forced diaspora. And there is NO QUESTION that those who continued to experience and pass on those cultural practices belong to the collective that is the Jewish people. (Last I checked, Inuit do not speak Hebrew, nor do they follow Jewish custom and law).

On the other hand, the collective of the "Palestinian" people is a national designation, not an ethnic one. There is no collective which holds and carries a unique and distinct culture which can be identified as "Palestinian", as distinct from Arab or Muslim. Arab Palestinians hold a culture of colonization and conquest. Arabic is not a native language to that land. Islam is not a native religion to that land. The culture and customs do not originate on that land.

Declaring that "Palestinians" were there "first" makes "Palestinian" a nonsense word. It entirely dismantles any distinct definition of "Palestinian".

And NONE OF THIS MATTERS. Because it doesn't matter what conditions create a distinct group with inherent rights to self-determination. If we subscribe to the concept of self-determination, then ALL groups hold that right.

 

[Shusha]

That you support the murder of 400,000 Palestinians, half of which are children.

It isn't real. It is not true. One can not "support" an imaginary reality.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Crush Israel, rename it Palestine, and deport all Zionists back to New York.

The Gazans, with no food or electricity, are going to do that?

 

[Shusha]

The Canaanites were in the Levant long before anyone heard of "Judea and Samaria "

What's that got to do with FOREIGN European Nazi trained Zionist terrorist gangs invading Palestine?

Canaanites are requesting self-determination in the land in question? Link?

 

[GLASNOST]

The doctors have judged you to be insane. You must report to the insane asylum, where you will be confined for the rest of your life. I recommend you be placed in a straight jacket for your own safety.

Accurate diagnosis and excellent advice.

 

[GLASNOST]

Self-determination for the Jewish people (who are clearly indigenous to that land and who have clearly inhabited that land for millennia). Self-determination for a specific national group of Arabs (who have also inhabited that land for some centuries).

There is no conflict with this stance.

OK.

The conflict only appears when self-determination is demanded for some and denied for others.

Self-determniation for Jews but denied for the Muslims is the problem. It goes by a specific name: Zionism.