Guns: Misdirection By Obama

[PoliticalChic]

1. "There was something missing from President Obama's Wednesday speech in Denver about gun violence. He focused almost exclusively on passing gun-control laws, and not at all on one of the nation's biggest promoters of violence: the entertainment industry.

2. ... lots of speeches with little achieved. A more creative chief executive would have used this moment to widen the discussion by drawing attention to the increasingly graphic violence so pervasive in television shows, movies and videogames....because of his special relationship with the media world's elites.

3. Dr. Victor Strasberger, the leading researcher on media violence for the American Academy of Pediatrics, could tell the CDC and the president what to expect: "All our studies show portraying violence is extremely dangerous,".... "Kids become desensitized, numb to suffering around them and aggressive."

4. ...Strasberger says he was stunned that the White House seems to have little interest in the available evidence. ...Not a single doctor or researcher critical of media violence met with the vice president.... there is a consensus among doctors and mental-health professionals about the danger to children from exposure to the violence depicted by movies, television and videogames.

5. The American Academy of Pediatrics' 2009 policy statement said: "The evidence is now clear and convincing: media violence is one of the causal factors of real-life violence and aggression.... "a clear link between brief exposure to violence on TV or movies and increases in aggressive and even physically violent behavior in young persons."

6. Another helpful proposal would be to institute a real movie ratings system. As anyone who has recently seen PG-13 movies knows, the level of violence in them has increased to the point of making the Motion Picture Association of America's voluntary rating system meaningless. Like the FCC's rules for television, MPAA ratings emphasize sex and language over violence.

7. Perhaps Mr. Obama or Mr. Biden should have a word with their friend and former Senate pal Chris Dodd, now chairman of the MPAA.

8. ... Obama's presidential campaign raised millions of dollar in direct donations from the entertainment industry, and millions more for his Super PAC, Priorities USA Action. Almost a third of the $1 million-plus donors to the president's Super PAC were entertainment and media heavyweights including producers Jeffrey Katzenberg and Steven Spielberg.

9. The president has been more than willing to challenge the National Rifle Association, but that is like a Republican president standing up to labor unions—not a move that risks anything with his core supporters.

10. Mr. Obama could show some real bravery by taking on Hollywood."
Campbell Brown: The President Gives Hollywood a Pass on Violence - WSJ.com



One of our posters asked why President Maladroit has spent all of his time going after guns....it seems he knows more than the President.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They believe the state shoud have a monopoly on force; they know this cannot happen so long as there is an armed citizenry.
Everything they regarding guns is a means to this end.

 

[Freemason9]

Yes, I agree--the President has been remiss not to mention the fact that the modern American obsession and fascination with guns and violence is rooted in our media culture. HOWEVER, since the media culture actually runs the country, decides elections, and dictates policy--it would probably be unwise for any politician to attack them. Even the modern Republican Party has its policies described by the Conservative Entertainment Complex.

FWIW, I don't think that there is much we can do in the short term regarding gun violence via legislation. Guns are thick as fleas in this country. I would, however, like to see some legislation preventing obvious social misfits from packing loaded guns in public places. They do it to intimidate others and elevate themselves, and it should be illegal.

 

[earlycuyler]

1. "There was something missing from President Obama's Wednesday speech in Denver about gun violence. He focused almost exclusively on passing gun-control laws, and not at all on one of the nation's biggest promoters of violence: the entertainment industry.

2. ... lots of speeches with little achieved. A more creative chief executive would have used this moment to widen the discussion by drawing attention to the increasingly graphic violence so pervasive in television shows, movies and videogames....because of his special relationship with the media world's elites.

3. Dr. Victor Strasberger, the leading researcher on media violence for the American Academy of Pediatrics, could tell the CDC and the president what to expect: "All our studies show portraying violence is extremely dangerous,".... "Kids become desensitized, numb to suffering around them and aggressive."

4. ...Strasberger says he was stunned that the White House seems to have little interest in the available evidence. ...Not a single doctor or researcher critical of media violence met with the vice president.... there is a consensus among doctors and mental-health professionals about the danger to children from exposure to the violence depicted by movies, television and videogames.

5. The American Academy of Pediatrics' 2009 policy statement said: "The evidence is now clear and convincing: media violence is one of the causal factors of real-life violence and aggression.... "a clear link between brief exposure to violence on TV or movies and increases in aggressive and even physically violent behavior in young persons."

6. Another helpful proposal would be to institute a real movie ratings system. As anyone who has recently seen PG-13 movies knows, the level of violence in them has increased to the point of making the Motion Picture Association of America's voluntary rating system meaningless. Like the FCC's rules for television, MPAA ratings emphasize sex and language over violence.

7. Perhaps Mr. Obama or Mr. Biden should have a word with their friend and former Senate pal Chris Dodd, now chairman of the MPAA.

8. ... Obama's presidential campaign raised millions of dollar in direct donations from the entertainment industry, and millions more for his Super PAC, Priorities USA Action. Almost a third of the $1 million-plus donors to the president's Super PAC were entertainment and media heavyweights including producers Jeffrey Katzenberg and Steven Spielberg.

9. The president has been more than willing to challenge the National Rifle Association, but that is like a Republican president standing up to labor unions—not a move that risks anything with his core supporters.

10. Mr. Obama could show some real bravery by taking on Hollywood."
Campbell Brown: The President Gives Hollywood a Pass on Violence - WSJ.com



One of our posters asked why President Maladroit has spent all of his time going after guns....it seems he knows more than the President.

The gardening industry contributed to one of the most heinous mass killings to take place at a school. No one tried to ban those.

 

[M14 Shooter]

FWIW, I don't think that there is much we can do in the short term regarding gun violence via legislation. Guns are thick as fleas in this country. I would, however, like to see some legislation preventing obvious social misfits from packing loaded guns in public places. They do it to intimidate others and elevate themselves, and it should be illegal.

Please define "obvious social misfits".
Does current law prohibit these poeple from owning a gun?

 

[Freemason9]

FWIW, I don't think that there is much we can do in the short term regarding gun violence via legislation. Guns are thick as fleas in this country. I would, however, like to see some legislation preventing obvious social misfits from packing loaded guns in public places. They do it to intimidate others and elevate themselves, and it should be illegal.

Please define "obvious social misfits".
Does current law prohibit these poeple from owning a gun?

Let me give you an example. I know a fellow that is in his late-50's. He lived with his mother for his first 40 years in a small house in the country until she died. He moved into town and lives alone there. His neighbors dread seeing him; he often approaches them with outlandish stories of his time in the marines (he's never been outside the county), how he works for the CIA (I'm not sure he graduated from high school), and his many girlfriends (I'm certain he is a virgin--notwithstanding his long relationship with his mother).

He also packs a handgun whereever he goes. He is utterly unstable, utterly unpredictable, and likely to snap at some point.

He's a big-time hunter (although fat and out of shape). When he slays a deer, he field dresses it and hangs it to age--in his front yard, from a tree. He has been caught peeping in the windows of his neighbors--he says that as an undercover FBI agent, he is trying to protect them from unknown criminals.

Yeah, that guy worries me. He worries everyone, and he has an NRA sticker on his truck.

There are many, many guys just like that. Gun nuts. Around here, "target shooting" is synonomous with drinking. Those fuckers are intellectually adolescent and socially incompetent.

Those are the fuckers I worry about. The drunks the and idiots--big NRA supporters.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

FWIW, I don't think that there is much we can do in the short term regarding gun violence via legislation. Guns are thick as fleas in this country. I would, however, like to see some legislation preventing obvious social misfits from packing loaded guns in public places. They do it to intimidate others and elevate themselves, and it should be illegal.

Please define "obvious social misfits".
Does current law prohibit these poeple from owning a gun?

Let me give you an example. I know a fellow that is in his late-50's. He lived with his mother for his first 40 years in a small house in the country until she died. He moved into town and lives alone there. His neighbors dread seeing him; he often approaches them with outlandish stories of his time in the marines (he's never been outside the county), how he works for the CIA (I'm not sure he graduated from high school), and his many girlfriends (I'm certain he is a virgin--notwithstanding his long relationship with his mother).

He also packs a handgun whereever he goes. He is utterly unstable, utterly unpredictable, and likely to snap at some point.

He's a big-time hunter (although fat and out of shape). When he slays a deer, he field dresses it and hangs it to age--in his front yard, from a tree. He has been caught peeping in the windows of his neighbors--he says that as an undercover FBI agent, he is trying to protect them from unknown criminals.

Yeah, that guy worries me. He worries everyone, and he has an NRA sticker on his truck.

There are many, many guys just like that. Gun nuts. Around here, "target shooting" is synonomous with drinking. Those fuckers are intellectually adolescent and socially incompetent.

Those are the fuckers I worry about. The drunks the and idiots--big NRA supporters.

You think he is mentally unstable, report him. You don't get to decide what activity is suspect or can we decide any one that supports the ACLU is mentally ill?

 

[OKTexas]

Yes, I agree--the President has been remiss not to mention the fact that the modern American obsession and fascination with guns and violence is rooted in our media culture. HOWEVER, since the media culture actually runs the country, decides elections, and dictates policy--it would probably be unwise for any politician to attack them. Even the modern Republican Party has its policies described by the Conservative Entertainment Complex.

FWIW, I don't think that there is much we can do in the short term regarding gun violence via legislation. Guns are thick as fleas in this country. I would, however, like to see some legislation preventing obvious social misfits from packing loaded guns in public places. They do it to intimidate others and elevate themselves, and it should be illegal.

My bold. Can you elaborate on you definition of "obvious social misfits" and exactly how they intimidate others? I think you have very limited knowledge of how concealed carry works and what is acceptable.

 

[M14 Shooter]

FWIW, I don't think that there is much we can do in the short term regarding gun violence via legislation. Guns are thick as fleas in this country. I would, however, like to see some legislation preventing obvious social misfits from packing loaded guns in public places. They do it to intimidate others and elevate themselves, and it should be illegal.

Please define "obvious social misfits".
Does current law prohibit these poeple from owning a gun?

Let me give you an example....
...Those are the fuckers I worry about. The drunks the and idiots--big NRA supporters.

Hate to tell you this... but thinikng that someone is "scary" isn't enough for the state to remove his rights.

 

[Freemason9]

Please define "obvious social misfits".
Does current law prohibit these poeple from owning a gun?

Let me give you an example....
...Those are the fuckers I worry about. The drunks the and idiots--big NRA supporters.

Hate to tell you this... but thinikng that someone is "scary" isn't enough for the state to remove his rights.

However, I do believe that it is inappropriate and, perhaps, criminally suspect when a person totes a loaded gun around in a public place. Those people aren't "scary" until they start acting out their insecurities and social ineptitude--that's the ******* point.

I have a great big problem with that. I don't know the solution, but most visible gun NUTS are ******* idiots in my experience.

 

[Freemason9]

Yes, I agree--the President has been remiss not to mention the fact that the modern American obsession and fascination with guns and violence is rooted in our media culture. HOWEVER, since the media culture actually runs the country, decides elections, and dictates policy--it would probably be unwise for any politician to attack them. Even the modern Republican Party has its policies described by the Conservative Entertainment Complex.

FWIW, I don't think that there is much we can do in the short term regarding gun violence via legislation. Guns are thick as fleas in this country. I would, however, like to see some legislation preventing obvious social misfits from packing loaded guns in public places. They do it to intimidate others and elevate themselves, and it should be illegal.

My bold. Can you elaborate on you definition of "obvious social misfits" and exactly how they intimidate others? I think you have very limited knowledge of how concealed carry works and what is acceptable.

I'm not talking about "concealed carry" at all. I'm talking about exhibitionist gun NUTS.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Let me give you an example....
...Those are the fuckers I worry about. The drunks the and idiots--big NRA supporters.

Hate to tell you this... but thinikng that someone is "scary" isn't enough for the state to remove his rights.

However, I do believe that it is inappropriate and, perhaps, criminally suspect when a person totes a loaded gun around in a public place.

Most states allow this.

Open carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If yours does, and you don't like it, call your representative.

What you fail to understand is that people have their rights, including the right to arms - until those rights are removed by due process -- usually, after conviction for a criminal act.

That's how free societies work.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Campbell Brown: The President Gives Hollywood a Pass on Violence - WSJ.com

Murdoch Street Journal!​

 

[The Rabbi]

Let me give you an example....
...Those are the fuckers I worry about. The drunks the and idiots--big NRA supporters.

Hate to tell you this... but thinikng that someone is "scary" isn't enough for the state to remove his rights.

However, I do believe that it is inappropriate and, perhaps, criminally suspect when a person totes a loaded gun around in a public place. Those people aren't "scary" until they start acting out their insecurities and social ineptitude--that's the ******* point.

I have a great big problem with that. I don't know the solution, but most visible gun NUTS are ******* idiots in my experience.

I occasionally "tote a loaded gun" around in open carry when the weather is hot. I dont see an issue with it. Is the guy kind of weird? Yes. But people who are kind of weird have rights in this country. The guy is middle aged and never committed a felony. That's something right there.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

They believe the state shoud have a monopoly on force; they know this cannot happen so long as there is an armed citizenry.

April 4, 2013

Connecticut;
Sweeping Gun Measure!!!​

"Saying he hopes it sets an example for the nation, Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy on Thursday signed what advocacy groups call the strongest and most comprehensive gun legislation in the nation.

The new law bans some weapons as well as the sale or purchase of high-capacity magazines like those used in the Newtown shooting in December that left 20 children and six adults dead.

It also requires background checks for all gun purchases."

 

[The Rabbi]

As to the OP, Obama cannot afford to piss off his financial and intellectual masters in Hollywood. So he gives them a free pass, much as tort reform was nowhere to be found in Obamacare because he's in the pocket of the trial lawyers as well.

 

[Freemason9]

Hate to tell you this... but thinikng that someone is "scary" isn't enough for the state to remove his rights.

However, I do believe that it is inappropriate and, perhaps, criminally suspect when a person totes a loaded gun around in a public place. Those people aren't "scary" until they start acting out their insecurities and social ineptitude--that's the ******* point.

I have a great big problem with that. I don't know the solution, but most visible gun NUTS are ******* idiots in my experience.

I occasionally "tote a loaded gun" around in open carry when the weather is hot. I dont see an issue with it. Is the guy kind of weird? Yes. But people who are kind of weird have rights in this country. The guy is middle aged and never committed a felony. That's something right there.

You're probably one of those nuts I'm referring to, so of course you don't understand the issue.

 

[StevenC]

I get tired of people complaining about violence in entertainment. It is no more responsible than guns for the murders theses scum commit.

 

[Freemason9]

Hate to tell you this... but thinikng that someone is "scary" isn't enough for the state to remove his rights.

However, I do believe that it is inappropriate and, perhaps, criminally suspect when a person totes a loaded gun around in a public place.

Most states allow this.

Open carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If yours does, and you don't like it, call your representative.

What you fail to understand is that people have their rights, including the right to arms - until those rights are removed by due process -- usually, after conviction for a criminal act.

That's how free societies work.

I agree, and I didn't bring this topic up. I'm mostly silent on this issue--but many gun nuts are worrisome, and I foresee big problems if we don't address this thing.

People that carry guns should NOT be feared--they should be pitied, for living lives engulfed in fear, loathing, and mistrust. There are very few areas that require carrying arms.

 

[The Rabbi]

However, I do believe that it is inappropriate and, perhaps, criminally suspect when a person totes a loaded gun around in a public place. Those people aren't "scary" until they start acting out their insecurities and social ineptitude--that's the ******* point.

I have a great big problem with that. I don't know the solution, but most visible gun NUTS are ******* idiots in my experience.

I occasionally "tote a loaded gun" around in open carry when the weather is hot. I dont see an issue with it. Is the guy kind of weird? Yes. But people who are kind of weird have rights in this country. The guy is middle aged and never committed a felony. That's something right there.

You're probably one of those nuts I'm referring to, so of course you don't understand the issue.

I actually sell firearms for a living so I'll bet I know just a wee bit more than you do. And even if I didn't I've actually seen guns up close so I still know more than you.