Guns are part of who we are as Americans
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Brain357
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Obviously mass shootings are going to happen more where there are mass amounts of people. Texas and FL get them regularly. They are hardly lefty states, but they have population.
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You are really naive, aren't you? Either that or just plain stupid. You should understand that gun control laws do nothing to stop crime. Just like background checks do nothing to stop criminals from getting firearms.
My long time friend just retired as a Police Chief of one of the suburbs of Chicago. They don't have near as strict gun control laws as Chicago and they have very little gun crime. It is not the gun control laws that stop gun crimes. All gun control laws do is keep law abiding citizens from owning the guns they need to protect themselves from the assholes that don't obey the law.
If lack of gun control regulations causes gun crime then states like Wyoming would have the highest number of gun crimes because they have the most lax laws and a tremendous rate of gun ownership.
However, that is not the case is it? Most of the gun crime in the US takes place in the ghetto areas of the five or six biggest big city shitholes in the US by the same demographics that don't obey the drug laws or hardly any other laws.
You stupid Moon Bats don't have public safety as you agenda for doing away with the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Your agenda is to stop potential armed citizens from preventing you Left Wing assholes from ever making this country a socialist shithole that you desire so much. You know it and I know it.
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"Mass Shootings" are a very, very minute percentage of violent crime by PEOPLE using guns. The Media makes you think otherwise, but you are much more likely to win the lottery, or get hit by lightning than get shot in a "mass shooting".
If people were so worried about large numbers of innocent people getting killed they would make cars, and trucks safer. But, they just want to get rid of legally owned guns to further control the law abiding. That's all.
If people were so worried about large numbers of innocent people getting killed they would make cars, and trucks safer. But, they just want to get rid of legally owned guns to further control the law abiding. That's all.
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With the long term relaxation of America's formerly Draconian Gun Code, the homicide rate is in a long term pattern decline, Brainy.
We don't want to go back to the bad old days when Law Abiders got assassinated regularly. BTW, think how history would have been if MLK and his cronies on the Memphis motel balcony were all armed? MLK sees Mr. Ray, all four of them are firing back. But Liberal Gun regulations prohibited that conclusion.
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Other countries don’t need security at schools because they never had any security to begin with. Their Governments have denied them true safety for more than a thousand years and replaced it with Government control; to the point where they’ve become nothing more than sheep.
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Strange that our crime rates dropped after we got background checks. Strange that countries with strong gun control have homicide rates that are a fraction of ours. You seem to deny reality.
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Mostly it is where we have Black and Brown people because where they are concentrated is where we have the most gun crime.
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People die in cars and trucks in every country. And they work to make them safer all the time. Many countries have the gun problem fixed, we just need to use the fix.
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You mean it went into decline right after we got background checks. It's actually up more with this gun craze.
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Hi, Jo, how's it going? I'm just going to add a snip of relevant reading from a good book on the topic to your thought here.
Evolution a Main Part of the Revolution
The Twin Revolution of 1776 was fundamentally in support of conserving well-developed American values governmentally and not for the purpose of their destruction. As the Continental Congress proclaimed on July 6, 1775, in the "Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms":
[We have taken up arms] ". . . for the preservation of our liberties . . . in defence of the freedom that is our birth-right, and which we ever enjoyed till the late violation of it . . ." (Emphasis added.)
The Twin Revolution was therefore, in general, in defense of established governmental institutions, principles and accustomed rights; but these institutions were then given new functions and significance in the light of the Twin Revolution's goal of complete self-government: Man-over-Government. It was against tyrannous officials acting as usurpers--acting lawlessly, as "out-laws," because outside of the scope of their prescribed authority under Law designed to make and keep secure these things governmental and the people's liberties. It was in pursuit of more complete self-government and Individual Liberty: Freedom from Government-over-Man. An element of evolution governmentally was thus involved: progress through building on the basis of the governmental institutions, customs and civilization in general already established in America. This spelled a vast advance in governmental philosophy and system because--through a century and a half of pioneering governmentally and other-wise--the American people had by 1776 already achieved greater freedom for The Individual from Government-over-Man and a civilization far more advanced politically than any that then existed in the Old World or would exist there for a long time afterward.
The Twin Revolution of 1776 commenced, in truth, a never-ending process of evolution looking towards ever-fuller realization of The American Ideal, of the goals stated in the Declaration of Independence. Therein lies the significance of the call, to endless striving, by James Wilson, one of The Framers, in his oration on July 4, 1788:
"A progressive state is necessary to the happiness and perfection of man. Whatever attainments are already reached, attainments still higher should be pursued. Let us, therefore, strive with noble emulation. Let us suppose we have done nothing, while any thing yet remains to be done. Let us, with fervent zeal, press forward, and make unceasing advances in every thing that can support, improve, refine, or embellish society . . . The commencement of our government has been eminently glorious: let our progress in every excellence be proportionably great. It will--it must be so."
The fact that the Twin Revolution of 1776 is a continuing process of evolution was highlighted in a 1787 address to the American people by Dr. Benjamin Rush, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence (quoting the first and the last paragraphs; emphasis his):
"There is nothing more common, than to confound the terms of American Revolution with those of the late American war. The American war is over: but this is far from being the case with the American revolution. On the contrary, nothing but the first act of the great drama is closed. It remains yet to establish and perfect our new forms of government; and to prepare the principles, morals, and manners of our citizens, for these forms of government, after they are established and brought to perfection . . . Patriots of 1774, 1775, 1776---heroes of 1778, 1779, 1780! come forward! your country demands your services!--Philosophers and friends to mankind, come forward! your country demands your studies and speculations! Lovers of peace and order, who declined taking part in the late war, come forward! your country forgives your timidity and demands your influence and advice! Hear her proclaiming, in sighs and groans, in her governments, in her finances, in her trade, in her manufactures, in her morals, and in her manners, 'THE REVOLUTION IS NOT OVER '"
The book itself - The American Ideal Of 1776: The Twelve Basic American Principles By Hamilton Abert Long, c1976
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You are really confused, are you Moon Bat?
Gun crime rates have been on a steady decline for several decades now as have all crimes. This is at a time when gun ownership has grown tremendously.
Background checks are a joke. They sure as hell don't sop the massive number of shootings in the big city shitholes that happen on a daily basis, does it? They sure did stop the recent high profile shootings, did they? Those guys passed the background checks.
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