Gunfire reported at California veterans home

[2aguy]

Largest home for Vets is shut down as masses of LE converge on the complex, the largest home for our Vets.

Yountville, California, veterans home has reports of gunfire - CNN

This kind of thing happens over and over and over again and still the NRA and all the gunnuts refuse to accept any kind of serious gun control. It's just insane.

We want actual gun control.....locking up violent gun criminals for 30 years....but democrats like you keep letting them back out.....like the shooter in Florida, if obama hadn't put the Promise Program in place down there, where they let violent teenagers go without arresting them, he would have been put in the Background check system...

That failure is yours....and then the left wing sheriff and his deputies visited the home of the shooter 45 times...and still didn't arrest him....

That is on you morons too...

 

[2aguy]

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can't people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

We have strict gun control....if you use a gun to commit a crime you go to jail, you are such a dumb fuck.......the problem is you morons keep letting the violent criminals out of jail...the ones shooting about 10,000 people a year.....the real problem.

And genius....explain this fact.......please...explain it to us...

More guns = less gun crime....a fact.

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can't people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

Moron.....wasps and bees kill more people than all rifles do .......lawn mowers kill more people than mass shooters do each year......get a grip you moron...

 

[Esmeralda]

The fact that people think this is normal life shows mental illness. There is nothing normal about this. Nothing normal about having mass shootings practically every week. It's insanity. Insanity.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Wrong....you don't even know what you are talking about....Britain, and Australia banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rates are going up...so too with Sweden....and in Britain, they almost had 2 school shootings recently, and only dumb luck saved them.....Australia had 2 school shootings but because the shooters didn't kill 4 people, they don't count as mass public shootings......not to mention all the other public shootings Australia has had....

And the worst mass public shooting, where most of the victims were children was in Norway....and Canada had a school shooting a year or two ago...

 

[2aguy]

The fact that people think this is normal life shows mental illness. There is nothing normal about this. Nothing normal about having mass shootings practically every week. It's insanity. Insanity.

we don't have mass shootings every week....you moron.

 

[westwall]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Terrorism is a completely different issue. You are deflecting from the real issue. YOU ARE THE TOTALLY FUCKED UP PERSON. You gunnuts are mentally ill.

Norway was one time. One time. In the US this happens practically every week. Paris was terrorism: a different issue.

The fact remains that guns are outlawed in the country's you claim are "safe". You are lying. They are not safe. The only reason why those country's don't have the level of violent crime that we do is because for the longest time they didn't have violent, third world immigrants bringing their violent culture with them. Now they do, and the violence is increasing at a incredible rate. Only liars, like you, ignore that very simple fact.

 

[Esmeralda]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Terrorism is a completely different issue. You are deflecting from the real issue. YOU ARE THE TOTALLY FUCKED UP PERSON. You gunnuts are mentally ill.

Norway was one time. One time. In the US this happens practically every week. Paris was terrorism: a different issue.

The fact remains that guns are outlawed in the country's you claim are "safe". You are lying. They are not safe. The only reason why those country's don't have the level of violent crime that we do is because for the longest time they didn't have violent, third world immigrants bringing their violent culture with them. Now they do, and the violence is increasing at a incredible rate. Only liars, like you, ignore that very simple fact.

It's not true. I am living in Europe. I regularly travel around Europe. Crime is not anywhere near what it is in the US. There are no mass shootings every week. Terrorism is a different issue and is not a logical comparison to gun control in America. Pro-gun people try to justify the regular mass shootings in America by saying things are just as bad in other places. That's bullshit. Total bullshit. You brought up Norway. There was one mass shooting in Norway. One, and it was years ago. Since then there have been none. In the US they happen practically every week. There's no justification for it, none.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Terrorism is a completely different issue. You are deflecting from the real issue. YOU ARE THE TOTALLY FUCKED UP PERSON. You gunnuts are mentally ill.

Norway was one time. One time. In the US this happens practically every week. Paris was terrorism: a different issue.

The fact remains that guns are outlawed in the country's you claim are "safe". You are lying. They are not safe. The only reason why those country's don't have the level of violent crime that we do is because for the longest time they didn't have violent, third world immigrants bringing their violent culture with them. Now they do, and the violence is increasing at a incredible rate. Only liars, like you, ignore that very simple fact.

It's not true. I am living in Europe. I regularly travel around Europe. Crime is not anywhere near what it is in the US. There are no mass shootings every week. Terrorism is a different issue and is not a logical comparison to gun control in America. Pro-gun people try to justify the regular mass shootings in America by saying things are just as bad in other places. That's bullshit. Total bullshit. You brought up Norway. There was one mass shooting in Norway. One, and it was years ago. Since then there have been none. In the US they happen practically every week. There's no justification for it, none.

Pro-gun people try to justify the regular mass shootings in America by saying things are just as bad in other places.

Wrong.....we point out that European gun control laws do not stop criminals or terrorists from getting guns.....not AR-15 civilian rifles ...but fully automatic military rifles.......and grenades....all over Europe.....Britain, France, Sweden...

Gun control does not stop criminals or mass shooters even in Europe

We have different cultures...and the culture of Europe has been changing...they now have more single teenage mothers raising young males without fathers...and their violence levels are going up...they now have 3rd world males running their drug gangs...and violence is going up....

In Countries that banned and confisated guns.....gun crime rates are going up...

In the United States...our gun crime rates are going down...

Please explain how this is happening....according to your theories...since you failed to address it from my last post...

 

[2aguy]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Terrorism is a completely different issue. You are deflecting from the real issue. YOU ARE THE TOTALLY FUCKED UP PERSON. You gunnuts are mentally ill.

Norway was one time. One time. In the US this happens practically every week. Paris was terrorism: a different issue.

The fact remains that guns are outlawed in the country's you claim are "safe". You are lying. They are not safe. The only reason why those country's don't have the level of violent crime that we do is because for the longest time they didn't have violent, third world immigrants bringing their violent culture with them. Now they do, and the violence is increasing at a incredible rate. Only liars, like you, ignore that very simple fact.

It's not true. I am living in Europe. I regularly travel around Europe. Crime is not anywhere near what it is in the US. There are no mass shootings every week. Terrorism is a different issue and is not a logical comparison to gun control in America. Pro-gun people try to justify the regular mass shootings in America by saying things are just as bad in other places. That's bullshit. Total bullshit. You brought up Norway. There was one mass shooting in Norway. One, and it was years ago. Since then there have been none. In the US they happen practically every week. There's no justification for it, none.

There weren't mass shootings every week before they banned and confiscated guns.....Britain averaged one mass shooting every 10 years...before they banned guns, and they almost had one after the ban, and almost had another two....which were stopped not by their gun control laws, but by dumb luck...

 

[depotoo]

Yeah, Spain is great, attacking its own citizens-
Catalonia Shows the Danger of Disarming Civilians | Laura Williams
Just hours before an alleged lone gunman opened fire from the Mandalay Bay casino, the citizens of a small region surrounding Barcelona, Spain, cast a vote for their regional independence. Catalonia’s citizens have a unique language, culture, and history, and consider Spain a neighboring power, not their rightful rulers. So as America’s Continental Congress heroically did (and as Texans and Californians occasionally threaten to do) Catalonia wished to declare independence and secede.

Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

Polling stations in Catalonia were attacked by heavily armed agents of the state with riot gear and pointed rifles. Spanish National Police fired rubber bullets and unleashed tear gas canisters on voters, broke down polling center doors, disrupted the vote, and destroyed enough ballots to throw results into serious doubt.


Exceedingly few of those would-be patriots were armed.

In Spain, firearm ownership is not a protected individual right. Civilian firearms licenses are restricted to “cases of extreme necessity” if the government finds “genuine reason.” Background checks, medical exams, and license restrictions further restrict access. Licenses are granted individually by caliber and model, with automatic weapons strictly forbidden to civilians. Police can demand a citizen produce a firearm at any time for inspection or confiscation. Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

But of course, that doesn’t mean that Spanish citizens don’t buy guns. In fact, Spanish taxpayers maintain an enormous arsenal of weapons, which are all in the hands “professional armed police forces within the administration of the state, who are the persons in charge of providing security to the population.”

Those agents of the state weren’t “providing security to the population” of Catalonia on Sunday — they were pointing guns at would-be founding patriots who had challenged the rule of their oppressors.

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

Gun control stops this kind of massacre. I am currently in Spain. They have very strict gun control and automatic and semi-automatic weapons are banned for private citizens. There are NO mass shootings and crime is very low. It's a lie that banning guns means only criminals will have them. A lie. This guy wasn't a criminal. He was just an average guy like any of you who can get a gun. Who never commited a crime before. You people are nuts, insane. Stop this madness.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

"A gunman and three female hostages are dead after an hours long "active shooter situation" at a California veterans home Friday.

Fox 2 in the San Francisco Bay Area reported that shots were fired at the Veterans Home of California in Napa County -- the largest in the United States -- near the dining hall Friday morning, prompting a swarm of police activity as officers looked for the active shooter.

California Highway Patrol Assistant Chief Chris Childs, of the Golden Gate Division, said officers entered the room where the hostages were being held around 6 p.m. Friday local time."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/09/veterans-home-california-in-yountville-on-lockdown-after-report

 

[depotoo]

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Gunfire reported at California veterans home

 

[Esmeralda]

Yeah, Spain is great, attacking its own citizens-
Catalonia Shows the Danger of Disarming Civilians | Laura Williams
Just hours before an alleged lone gunman opened fire from the Mandalay Bay casino, the citizens of a small region surrounding Barcelona, Spain, cast a vote for their regional independence. Catalonia’s citizens have a unique language, culture, and history, and consider Spain a neighboring power, not their rightful rulers. So as America’s Continental Congress heroically did (and as Texans and Californians occasionally threaten to do) Catalonia wished to declare independence and secede.

Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

Polling stations in Catalonia were attacked by heavily armed agents of the state with riot gear and pointed rifles. Spanish National Police fired rubber bullets and unleashed tear gas canisters on voters, broke down polling center doors, disrupted the vote, and destroyed enough ballots to throw results into serious doubt.


Exceedingly few of those would-be patriots were armed.

In Spain, firearm ownership is not a protected individual right. Civilian firearms licenses are restricted to “cases of extreme necessity” if the government finds “genuine reason.” Background checks, medical exams, and license restrictions further restrict access. Licenses are granted individually by caliber and model, with automatic weapons strictly forbidden to civilians. Police can demand a citizen produce a firearm at any time for inspection or confiscation. Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

But of course, that doesn’t mean that Spanish citizens don’t buy guns. In fact, Spanish taxpayers maintain an enormous arsenal of weapons, which are all in the hands “professional armed police forces within the administration of the state, who are the persons in charge of providing security to the population.”

Those agents of the state weren’t “providing security to the population” of Catalonia on Sunday — they were pointing guns at would-be founding patriots who had challenged the rule of their oppressors.

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

Gun control stops this kind of massacre. I am currently in Spain. They have very strict gun control and automatic and semi-automatic weapons are banned for private citizens. There are NO mass shootings and crime is very low. It's a lie that banning guns means only criminals will have them. A lie. This guy wasn't a criminal. He was just an average guy like any of you who can get a gun. Who never commited a crime before. You people are nuts, insane. Stop this madness.

Catalonia separatism is favored by less than half the population there. They are citizens of Spain. Demanding to separate from the country and to have weapons to fight the country is treason. Spain is not oppressing them. It's an issue you don't understand. Cataonia has been a part of Spain since the 15th Century. They are not oppressed by any means. It is an issue of money. They are a rich province and don't like paying taxes. The majority of people in the province do not want to separate. Again, it is an issue you don't understand.

 

[depotoo]

Firing upon voters isn’t a problem? Get real.
Spain: Police Used Excessive Force in Catalonia

Yeah, Spain is great, attacking its own citizens-
Catalonia Shows the Danger of Disarming Civilians | Laura Williams
Just hours before an alleged lone gunman opened fire from the Mandalay Bay casino, the citizens of a small region surrounding Barcelona, Spain, cast a vote for their regional independence. Catalonia’s citizens have a unique language, culture, and history, and consider Spain a neighboring power, not their rightful rulers. So as America’s Continental Congress heroically did (and as Texans and Californians occasionally threaten to do) Catalonia wished to declare independence and secede.

Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

Polling stations in Catalonia were attacked by heavily armed agents of the state with riot gear and pointed rifles. Spanish National Police fired rubber bullets and unleashed tear gas canisters on voters, broke down polling center doors, disrupted the vote, and destroyed enough ballots to throw results into serious doubt.


Exceedingly few of those would-be patriots were armed.

In Spain, firearm ownership is not a protected individual right. Civilian firearms licenses are restricted to “cases of extreme necessity” if the government finds “genuine reason.” Background checks, medical exams, and license restrictions further restrict access. Licenses are granted individually by caliber and model, with automatic weapons strictly forbidden to civilians. Police can demand a citizen produce a firearm at any time for inspection or confiscation. Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

But of course, that doesn’t mean that Spanish citizens don’t buy guns. In fact, Spanish taxpayers maintain an enormous arsenal of weapons, which are all in the hands “professional armed police forces within the administration of the state, who are the persons in charge of providing security to the population.”

Those agents of the state weren’t “providing security to the population” of Catalonia on Sunday — they were pointing guns at would-be founding patriots who had challenged the rule of their oppressors.

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

Gun control stops this kind of massacre. I am currently in Spain. They have very strict gun control and automatic and semi-automatic weapons are banned for private citizens. There are NO mass shootings and crime is very low. It's a lie that banning guns means only criminals will have them. A lie. This guy wasn't a criminal. He was just an average guy like any of you who can get a gun. Who never commited a crime before. You people are nuts, insane. Stop this madness.

Catalonia separatism is favored by less than half the population there. They are citizens of Spain. Demanding to separate from the country and to have weapons to fight the country is treason. Spain is not oppressing them. It's an issue you don't understand.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

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Gunfire reported at California veterans home

Thank you, I'll see if I can figure out how to delete this thread.

 

[Esmeralda]

Firing upon voters isn’t a problem? Get real.
Spain: Police Used Excessive Force in Catalonia

Yeah, Spain is great, attacking its own citizens-
Catalonia Shows the Danger of Disarming Civilians | Laura Williams
Just hours before an alleged lone gunman opened fire from the Mandalay Bay casino, the citizens of a small region surrounding Barcelona, Spain, cast a vote for their regional independence. Catalonia’s citizens have a unique language, culture, and history, and consider Spain a neighboring power, not their rightful rulers. So as America’s Continental Congress heroically did (and as Texans and Californians occasionally threaten to do) Catalonia wished to declare independence and secede.

Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

Polling stations in Catalonia were attacked by heavily armed agents of the state with riot gear and pointed rifles. Spanish National Police fired rubber bullets and unleashed tear gas canisters on voters, broke down polling center doors, disrupted the vote, and destroyed enough ballots to throw results into serious doubt.


Exceedingly few of those would-be patriots were armed.

In Spain, firearm ownership is not a protected individual right. Civilian firearms licenses are restricted to “cases of extreme necessity” if the government finds “genuine reason.” Background checks, medical exams, and license restrictions further restrict access. Licenses are granted individually by caliber and model, with automatic weapons strictly forbidden to civilians. Police can demand a citizen produce a firearm at any time for inspection or confiscation. Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

But of course, that doesn’t mean that Spanish citizens don’t buy guns. In fact, Spanish taxpayers maintain an enormous arsenal of weapons, which are all in the hands “professional armed police forces within the administration of the state, who are the persons in charge of providing security to the population.”

Those agents of the state weren’t “providing security to the population” of Catalonia on Sunday — they were pointing guns at would-be founding patriots who had challenged the rule of their oppressors.

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

Gun control stops this kind of massacre. I am currently in Spain. They have very strict gun control and automatic and semi-automatic weapons are banned for private citizens. There are NO mass shootings and crime is very low. It's a lie that banning guns means only criminals will have them. A lie. This guy wasn't a criminal. He was just an average guy like any of you who can get a gun. Who never commited a crime before. You people are nuts, insane. Stop this madness.

Catalonia separatism is favored by less than half the population there. They are citizens of Spain. Demanding to separate from the country and to have weapons to fight the country is treason. Spain is not oppressing them. It's an issue you don't understand.

The government did not fire on anyone.

 

[Asclepias]

Help me understand this. Napa county, one of the richest areas in America, has so many hostage situations they need a dedicated truck for it?

Looks like they bought that one at a military equipment auction.

Why are you making jokes? People are being killed. Americans have lost their humanity. So many massacres on a weekly basis for so many years and Americans have come not only to think nothing of it but to make jokes about it.

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

 

[Esmeralda]

Firing upon voters isn’t a problem? Get real.
Spain: Police Used Excessive Force in Catalonia

Yeah, Spain is great, attacking its own citizens-
Catalonia Shows the Danger of Disarming Civilians | Laura Williams
Just hours before an alleged lone gunman opened fire from the Mandalay Bay casino, the citizens of a small region surrounding Barcelona, Spain, cast a vote for their regional independence. Catalonia’s citizens have a unique language, culture, and history, and consider Spain a neighboring power, not their rightful rulers. So as America’s Continental Congress heroically did (and as Texans and Californians occasionally threaten to do) Catalonia wished to declare independence and secede.

Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

Polling stations in Catalonia were attacked by heavily armed agents of the state with riot gear and pointed rifles. Spanish National Police fired rubber bullets and unleashed tear gas canisters on voters, broke down polling center doors, disrupted the vote, and destroyed enough ballots to throw results into serious doubt.


Exceedingly few of those would-be patriots were armed.

In Spain, firearm ownership is not a protected individual right. Civilian firearms licenses are restricted to “cases of extreme necessity” if the government finds “genuine reason.” Background checks, medical exams, and license restrictions further restrict access. Licenses are granted individually by caliber and model, with automatic weapons strictly forbidden to civilians. Police can demand a citizen produce a firearm at any time for inspection or confiscation. Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

But of course, that doesn’t mean that Spanish citizens don’t buy guns. In fact, Spanish taxpayers maintain an enormous arsenal of weapons, which are all in the hands “professional armed police forces within the administration of the state, who are the persons in charge of providing security to the population.”

Those agents of the state weren’t “providing security to the population” of Catalonia on Sunday — they were pointing guns at would-be founding patriots who had challenged the rule of their oppressors.

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

Gun control stops this kind of massacre. I am currently in Spain. They have very strict gun control and automatic and semi-automatic weapons are banned for private citizens. There are NO mass shootings and crime is very low. It's a lie that banning guns means only criminals will have them. A lie. This guy wasn't a criminal. He was just an average guy like any of you who can get a gun. Who never commited a crime before. You people are nuts, insane. Stop this madness.

Catalonia separatism is favored by less than half the population there. They are citizens of Spain. Demanding to separate from the country and to have weapons to fight the country is treason. Spain is not oppressing them. It's an issue you don't understand.

You are trying to justify mass murder. Do you understand that? The US is not going to become a dictatorship. The whole idea that you need guns to protect yourself from the government is BS. Total BS. If people in West Virginia, for example, wanted to separate from the US, and they had a statewide vote, and less than half the people voted for it, they can't legally do it. Plus they have to go through legal channels to do it, otherwise it is treason. A small community in the province of Catalonia voted to separate, not the entire region. It's a situation you don't understand and it is ludicrous for you to use it to justify mass shootings in the US: pathetic and ludicrous.

 

[Esmeralda]

Help me understand this. Napa county, one of the richest areas in America, has so many hostage situations they need a dedicated truck for it?

Looks like they bought that one at a military equipment auction.

Why are you making jokes? People are being killed. Americans have lost their humanity. So many massacres on a weekly basis for so many years and Americans have come not only to think nothing of it but to make jokes about it.

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

That's what it looked like. Please remember that mass shootings are not just a thing to discuss or look at ironically or satirically. Real people are dying, regularly, in the US. The entire modern world is perplexed that the country allows this to go on and on. It happens so often Americans seem to think it is normal. It isn't. And the gun lobby and gunnuts justifying it by screaming individual freedom and personal rights is disgusting: a perversion of what freedom and constitutional rights mean.