Gun control...

[CrazedScotsman]

72,000 overdose deaths per year
88,000 alcohol related deaths per year
13,000 drunk driving deaths per year
37,000 gun related deaths per year

All preventable if people were responsible.

Are you willing to give up your beer or whiskey and your guns?

 

[OKTexas]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

I'll say it again. The Shooter was a Combat Veteran Marine. The Body Count (including his) was 13. He did that with a single 9mm. The best a normal shooter could do with the same weapon has been from 2 to 7. But that wasn't a normal shooter. Saying that having an armed person in the crowd would have made a difference is shown to be false when two armed cops with guns drawn entered, one was killed and other retreated dragging his partner out of the building and the killing continued. The Combat Veteran Marine did not have easy access to an AR-15 and a bunch of 30 shot mags and he used what he had which was a 9mm and a bunch of lower capacity mags. Had he brought what he was most familiar with (an AR-15 and 5 30 round Mags) he could have easily made the body count exceed 100 giving him the new all time record. And that would have been without a bump stock. In this case, the Gun Regs saved lives. Yes, 12 innocents did die but that probably could not have been prevented in any way that I can see.

Now, how can the AR-15 have such a high body count as compared to a 9mm? The dance floor is packed with almost 200 people. They are packed almost tight. The 9mm will kill or would a person with each round. The AR-15 is going to kill or wound at least 3 people deep in the same situation. Plus, you have the same number of mags. Meaning, you have the 9mm at 10 rounds and the AR at 30 rounds. So you have 60 rounds of 9mm versus 180 AR rounds. Even if every 9mm round found each individual person (and that won't happen because there will be some misses and some multiple hits) the most you can get is 60 kills. Meanwhile, if the AR only hits 1/3rd of the time, there will be 180 kills because each round that hits will also hit 2 other bodies.

And remember, you aren't talking about any run of the mill shooter here. You are talking about a Combat Veteran Marine who even two cops can't go up against.

In this case, the banning of the AR and the high capacity mags did make a difference. Yes, there were 12 innocent lives lost but it could have been more than 100 with the caliber of shooter involved had he had easy access to an AR and 30 round mags. Gun Regulation does work. You save the lives you can.

BTW, he used a .45 not a 9mm.

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Don’t bother, Daryl has no idea what the difference is....

He'd know if he were hit by one.

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Please don't feed the Rexall Ranger Troll. He still thinks the AR-15 wouldn't make a good account for itself in a firefight.

It did ok for me when needed.

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[Daryl Hunt]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

I'll say it again. The Shooter was a Combat Veteran Marine. The Body Count (including his) was 13. He did that with a single 9mm. The best a normal shooter could do with the same weapon has been from 2 to 7. But that wasn't a normal shooter. Saying that having an armed person in the crowd would have made a difference is shown to be false when two armed cops with guns drawn entered, one was killed and other retreated dragging his partner out of the building and the killing continued. The Combat Veteran Marine did not have easy access to an AR-15 and a bunch of 30 shot mags and he used what he had which was a 9mm and a bunch of lower capacity mags. Had he brought what he was most familiar with (an AR-15 and 5 30 round Mags) he could have easily made the body count exceed 100 giving him the new all time record. And that would have been without a bump stock. In this case, the Gun Regs saved lives. Yes, 12 innocents did die but that probably could not have been prevented in any way that I can see.

Now, how can the AR-15 have such a high body count as compared to a 9mm? The dance floor is packed with almost 200 people. They are packed almost tight. The 9mm will kill or would a person with each round. The AR-15 is going to kill or wound at least 3 people deep in the same situation. Plus, you have the same number of mags. Meaning, you have the 9mm at 10 rounds and the AR at 30 rounds. So you have 60 rounds of 9mm versus 180 AR rounds. Even if every 9mm round found each individual person (and that won't happen because there will be some misses and some multiple hits) the most you can get is 60 kills. Meanwhile, if the AR only hits 1/3rd of the time, there will be 180 kills because each round that hits will also hit 2 other bodies.

And remember, you aren't talking about any run of the mill shooter here. You are talking about a Combat Veteran Marine who even two cops can't go up against.

In this case, the banning of the AR and the high capacity mags did make a difference. Yes, there were 12 innocent lives lost but it could have been more than 100 with the caliber of shooter involved had he had easy access to an AR and 30 round mags. Gun Regulation does work. You save the lives you can.

BTW, he used a .45 not a 9mm.

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That means he must have been even better with the weapon. He had less ammo since he had fewer rounds per mag. But he was a Combat Veteran Marine so there is no doubt he was an Expert with that weapon. Far beyond the experience that the Rexall Rangers in here.

The vast majority of the people in the military never train or qualify with a handgun.

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Hmm, I did. I was on Mobility and had to stay proficient. In fact, in the Air Force, we all spent time qualifying on the M-16. I went on to a TDY to qualify a bit deeper on the M-16, Ruger Police Special, Colt 1911A1 since I was also going to an area that used some of us as Augmentee Security Police (Perimeter Guards for the Base). I also got to qualify on the M-24 and a M-741A. Even though I went from an Aircraft Speciailist (primary) to a Manager, I still had to qualify because I went from the Augmentee to the Mobility. No, not everyone had to qualify with a handgun, but enough. But I have no doubt that a Marine would take it upon himself to qualify with a 1911A1 or any other type of military sidearm available at the time. That is, if he was worth his salts at all.

 

[francoHFW]

Your Buddies just love you, Rusty. How much more posts are you gonna manufacture from your BS Factory?

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

Yeah, because criminals and the insane are soooooooo concerned about breaking laws. LMAO

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Let's just talk about the insane okay. Perhaps they should be treated and not be allowed to have guns d u h.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

72,000 overdose deaths per year
88,000 alcohol related deaths per year
13,000 drunk driving deaths per year
37,000 gun related deaths per year

All preventable if people were responsible.

Are you willing to give up your beer or whiskey and your guns?

There are regulations on all three. And I don't have to give up any of the three unless I screwed the pooch.

 

[OKTexas]

Your Buddies just love you, Rusty. How much more posts are you gonna manufacture from your BS Factory?

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

We already HAVE a background check and it is illegal to convert a weapon to full auto already.

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Your Buddies just love you, Rusty. How much more posts are you gonna manufacture from your BS Factory?

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

We already HAVE a background check and it is illegal to convert a weapon to full auto already.

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

 

[OKTexas]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

I'll say it again. The Shooter was a Combat Veteran Marine. The Body Count (including his) was 13. He did that with a single 9mm. The best a normal shooter could do with the same weapon has been from 2 to 7. But that wasn't a normal shooter. Saying that having an armed person in the crowd would have made a difference is shown to be false when two armed cops with guns drawn entered, one was killed and other retreated dragging his partner out of the building and the killing continued. The Combat Veteran Marine did not have easy access to an AR-15 and a bunch of 30 shot mags and he used what he had which was a 9mm and a bunch of lower capacity mags. Had he brought what he was most familiar with (an AR-15 and 5 30 round Mags) he could have easily made the body count exceed 100 giving him the new all time record. And that would have been without a bump stock. In this case, the Gun Regs saved lives. Yes, 12 innocents did die but that probably could not have been prevented in any way that I can see.

Now, how can the AR-15 have such a high body count as compared to a 9mm? The dance floor is packed with almost 200 people. They are packed almost tight. The 9mm will kill or would a person with each round. The AR-15 is going to kill or wound at least 3 people deep in the same situation. Plus, you have the same number of mags. Meaning, you have the 9mm at 10 rounds and the AR at 30 rounds. So you have 60 rounds of 9mm versus 180 AR rounds. Even if every 9mm round found each individual person (and that won't happen because there will be some misses and some multiple hits) the most you can get is 60 kills. Meanwhile, if the AR only hits 1/3rd of the time, there will be 180 kills because each round that hits will also hit 2 other bodies.

And remember, you aren't talking about any run of the mill shooter here. You are talking about a Combat Veteran Marine who even two cops can't go up against.

In this case, the banning of the AR and the high capacity mags did make a difference. Yes, there were 12 innocent lives lost but it could have been more than 100 with the caliber of shooter involved had he had easy access to an AR and 30 round mags. Gun Regulation does work. You save the lives you can.

BTW, he used a .45 not a 9mm.

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That means he must have been even better with the weapon. He had less ammo since he had fewer rounds per mag. But he was a Combat Veteran Marine so there is no doubt he was an Expert with that weapon. Far beyond the experience that the Rexall Rangers in here.

The vast majority of the people in the military never train or qualify with a handgun.

.

Hmm, I did. I was on Mobility and had to stay proficient. In fact, in the Air Force, we all spent time qualifying on the M-16. I went on to a TDY to qualify a bit deeper on the M-16, Ruger Police Special, Colt 1911A1 since I was also going to an area that used some of us as Augmentee Security Police (Perimeter Guards for the Base). I also got to qualify on the M-24 and a M-741A. Even though I went from an Aircraft Speciailist (primary) to a Manager, I still had to qualify because I went from the Augmentee to the Mobility. No, not everyone had to qualify with a handgun, but enough. But I have no doubt that a Marine would take it upon himself to qualify with a 1911A1 or any other type of military sidearm available at the time. That is, if he was worth his salts at all.

I qualified with the 9mm due to a TDY in Honduras a few years before I retired. That was the first and last time I'd fired a military handgun.

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[francoHFW]

Your Buddies just love you, Rusty. How much more posts are you gonna manufacture from your BS Factory?

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

Fuck face...

I just like getting you people up LOL. And nobody cares, gun nut slash gun dealer. But dig your head man LOL.I have other interests like getting to the bottom of the problem and the truth and finding Solutions. It's like I'm a journalist not a fox host or Rush Limbaugh.

 

[francoHFW]

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

We already HAVE a background check and it is illegal to convert a weapon to full auto already.

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

There are so many loopholes in the background check system it is ridiculous and the mental health system is not involved and doesn't exist for all practical purposes. We must save the rich from paying their fair share mustn't we, super duper

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

We already HAVE a background check and it is illegal to convert a weapon to full auto already.

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

There are so many loopholes in the background check system it is ridiculous and the mental health system is not involved and doesn't exist for all practical purposes. We must save the rich from paying their fair share mustn't we, super duper

One of the things that we tried to get through our state government was the inclusion of the mental health into the background checks. The Dems in the House voted for it, sent it to the Rep Senate and they bounced it. This time around, the Dems have a narrow margin in both houses and the Governor is Dem who says he will introduce it again. I guess the NRA saw a new market in crazies to sell more guns. But it looks like that market is slowly going to dry up state by state.

 

[OKTexas]

Your Buddies just love you, Rusty. How much more posts are you gonna manufacture from your BS Factory?

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

Yeah, because criminals and the insane are soooooooo concerned about breaking laws. LMAO

.

Let's just talk about the insane okay. Perhaps they should be treated and not be allowed to have guns d u h.

This dude had been cleared by the shrinks this year, they said he didn't need treatment. Now what?

.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

72,000 overdose deaths per year
88,000 alcohol related deaths per year
13,000 drunk driving deaths per year
37,000 gun related deaths per year

All preventable if people were responsible.

Are you willing to give up your beer or whiskey and your guns?

Your firearms deaths include suicides, how exactly do you plan to stop people from killing themselves?

 

[OKTexas]

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

We already HAVE a background check and it is illegal to convert a weapon to full auto already.

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminals can't be required to register their weapons.

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[OKTexas]

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

We already HAVE a background check and it is illegal to convert a weapon to full auto already.

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

There are so many loopholes in the background check system it is ridiculous and the mental health system is not involved and doesn't exist for all practical purposes. We must save the rich from paying their fair share mustn't we, super duper

Define "fair share" and define "rich".

.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I'll say it again. The Shooter was a Combat Veteran Marine. The Body Count (including his) was 13. He did that with a single 9mm. The best a normal shooter could do with the same weapon has been from 2 to 7. But that wasn't a normal shooter. Saying that having an armed person in the crowd would have made a difference is shown to be false when two armed cops with guns drawn entered, one was killed and other retreated dragging his partner out of the building and the killing continued. The Combat Veteran Marine did not have easy access to an AR-15 and a bunch of 30 shot mags and he used what he had which was a 9mm and a bunch of lower capacity mags. Had he brought what he was most familiar with (an AR-15 and 5 30 round Mags) he could have easily made the body count exceed 100 giving him the new all time record. And that would have been without a bump stock. In this case, the Gun Regs saved lives. Yes, 12 innocents did die but that probably could not have been prevented in any way that I can see.

Now, how can the AR-15 have such a high body count as compared to a 9mm? The dance floor is packed with almost 200 people. They are packed almost tight. The 9mm will kill or would a person with each round. The AR-15 is going to kill or wound at least 3 people deep in the same situation. Plus, you have the same number of mags. Meaning, you have the 9mm at 10 rounds and the AR at 30 rounds. So you have 60 rounds of 9mm versus 180 AR rounds. Even if every 9mm round found each individual person (and that won't happen because there will be some misses and some multiple hits) the most you can get is 60 kills. Meanwhile, if the AR only hits 1/3rd of the time, there will be 180 kills because each round that hits will also hit 2 other bodies.

And remember, you aren't talking about any run of the mill shooter here. You are talking about a Combat Veteran Marine who even two cops can't go up against.

In this case, the banning of the AR and the high capacity mags did make a difference. Yes, there were 12 innocent lives lost but it could have been more than 100 with the caliber of shooter involved had he had easy access to an AR and 30 round mags. Gun Regulation does work. You save the lives you can.

BTW, he used a .45 not a 9mm.

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That means he must have been even better with the weapon. He had less ammo since he had fewer rounds per mag. But he was a Combat Veteran Marine so there is no doubt he was an Expert with that weapon. Far beyond the experience that the Rexall Rangers in here.

The vast majority of the people in the military never train or qualify with a handgun.

.

Hmm, I did. I was on Mobility and had to stay proficient. In fact, in the Air Force, we all spent time qualifying on the M-16. I went on to a TDY to qualify a bit deeper on the M-16, Ruger Police Special, Colt 1911A1 since I was also going to an area that used some of us as Augmentee Security Police (Perimeter Guards for the Base). I also got to qualify on the M-24 and a M-741A. Even though I went from an Aircraft Speciailist (primary) to a Manager, I still had to qualify because I went from the Augmentee to the Mobility. No, not everyone had to qualify with a handgun, but enough. But I have no doubt that a Marine would take it upon himself to qualify with a 1911A1 or any other type of military sidearm available at the time. That is, if he was worth his salts at all.

I qualified with the 9mm due to a TDY in Honduras a few years before I retired. That was the first and last time I'd fired a military handgun.

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During Basic, they noticed something peculiar about me. Each time I fired the M-16, I wiped my fingerprints from it I was just off the High Country Ranches and we ate what we shot. Rifles, Handguns and Shotguns were a staple growing up. And making a 600yd shot with an OughtSix was considered a right of passage. Making a 250 yd shot without a scope was considered normal. Making a 800 yd shot was considered Superman but not unheard of. The only trouble I had was getting used to a Peep Site. I shot open sites on all of my guns. The TI spent a couple of abusive minutes on me on that one. Yes, He really Cared.

The Military noticed when you had the nack if you showed it. Beware of those "Special Identifiers" they hang on you that doesn't get you a dime and usually some extra duties.

 

[francoHFW]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Maybe if we had a mental health system and a background check system and real laws against illegal clips and conversion to automatic kits....

We already HAVE a background check and it is illegal to convert a weapon to full auto already.

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

 

[francoHFW]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

and f****** Health Care Day Care Living wage cheap college and training good vacations and infrastructure, ID card 2 end illegal immigration. All the stuff the GOP blocks. And every other rich country has, and we are the richest.

 

[francoHFW]

We already HAVE a background check and it is illegal to convert a weapon to full auto already.

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.