Gun control works….two 13 year old boys shot in Britain. You know, where guns were banned and confiscated.

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Every time guns and the U.K comes up the lies come out that guns are banned there. Why is that? (rhetorical question)

This is exactly what you said...lol

 

[pknopp]

This is exactly what you said...lol

Never did.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No he was not. Why do you lie so glibly?

Wasn't Hitler the leader of the National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI)?

 

[maybelooking]

The gun nuts always latch onto that statistical crap.

Do guns make us safer? Science suggests no

Conflicting statistics about guns—such as how many people in the U.S. use guns for self-defense each year, and whether or not the crime rate is tied to how many people own guns—was the subject of a…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

you spelled "facts" wrong.

 

[maybelooking]

See my reply to your boyfriend.

 

[2aguy]

If you have more guns and a deadlier range of guns per capita, the greater the casualties. It's not fucking rocket science.

Seriously as in - no one needs to walk around in public with a gun. Guns should be locked away when not in use. Ammo should be locked away in a separate cabinet. Thorough checks should be made when applying for a gun licence. Have severe penalties for breaching any part of that. Regulate the type of gun that's actually needed

Over 27 years from the 1990s to 2015 more Americans bought and also carried guns, over 19.4 million people carryimg guns.

Gun murder went down 49%

Gun crime went down 75%

You dont know what you are talking about.

Guns do not cause crime

Democrats release violent gun criminals….and attack the police…..that is causing gun crime… you doofus.

 

[Vagabond63]

They are not effective....the bias of the British journalist pushing the myth that they work is just funny..

The site you quoted from is a "doomsday prepper/survivalist"one. His "bias" tends towards staying safe in the "dangerous times to come". Sorry if he's not extreme enough for you.

 

[Vagabond63]

Ah. You cannot cite specifics. No surprise.

Fallacy: Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Yes, the same fallacy employed when arguing increased gun ownership since the 1990's is the cause of the decrease in crime in America, or that 1.2 million Americans use their guns for self defence every year.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, the same fallacy employed when arguing increased gun ownership since the 1990's is the cause of the decrease in crime in America, or that 1.2 million Americans use their guns for self defence every year.

Dipstick…..Although I could site studies that show gun ownership reduces crime that isnt the argument I make.

I point out that as more people own and carried guns over 27 years, in the United States…..gun murder went down 49%….gun crime went down75%

What this shows, beyond a doubt, is that gun ownership does not cause gun crime or murder. Which is the exact opposite of what you idiots claim.

18 studies show that Americans use their legal guns upwards of 1.5 million times a year to stop rape, robbery, and murders…

You can deny those studies but they exist and show you dont have any rational arguments.

 

[Vagabond63]

I point out that as more people own and carried guns over 27 years, in the United States…..gun murder went down 49%….gun crime went down75%

You actually make a wild assumption that the one resulted in the other. Classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. I'm sure you can provide "studies" that absolutely prove causality?

18 studies show that Americans use their legal guns upwards of 1.5 million times a year to stop rape, robbery, and murders…

That would be 18 telephone "opinion polls" using small sample groups, which are then extrapolated to cover the entire country. It's called Pseudoscience. There is no way of telling how many times a gun is used in "self defence" without scientifically recording each and every incident. None of your "studies" do this. Basically, you are spouting BS.

 

[2aguy]

You actually make a wild assumption that the one resulted in the other. Classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. I'm sure you can provide "studies" that absolutely prove causality?



That would be 18 telephone "opinion polls" using small sample groups, which are then extrapolated to cover the entire country. It's called Pseudoscience. There is no way of telling how many times a gun is used in "self defence" without scientifically recording each and every incident. None of your "studies" do this. Basically, you are spouting BS.

No....dipshit....

You claim that more guns create more gun crime....that is your claim...

From the 1990s to 2015.....27 years, more Americans went out, bought guns and over 19.4 million of them carried those guns in public for self defense....

According to you...that should have resulted in increased gun murder and gun crime....

That is your claim.

What actually happened?

Gun murder went down 49%...

Gun crime went down 75%....

Violent crime in general went down 72%..


What that shows is that your claim.....that more people owning and carrying guns creates more gun crime.....is wrong.....completely wrong.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

You actually make a wild assumption that the one resulted in the other. Classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. I'm sure you can provide "studies" that absolutely prove causality?



That would be 18 telephone "opinion polls" using small sample groups, which are then extrapolated to cover the entire country. It's called Pseudoscience. There is no way of telling how many times a gun is used in "self defence" without scientifically recording each and every incident. None of your "studies" do this. Basically, you are spouting BS.

Nope......18 studies conducted by trained, professional researchers.....from both the government and private sector....most of whom are like you, anti-gun.......

Gary Kleck..in his study, used 5,000 people.......and found 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year...

To refute this, both the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice under Bill Clinton conducted their own research.........

What did they find.....?

The CDC found 1.2 million defensive gun uses...

The Department of Justice found 1.5 million...

In 2013....obama ordered the CDC to look at all of the gun research available......what did they find after spending 10 million dollars?

Between 500,000 thousand and 3 million defensive gun uses from all the available research...



A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
----
The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes, the same fallacy...

Just so long as you agree you presented a post-hoc fallacy.
Thanks.

 

[Vagabond63]

You claim that more guns create more gun crime....that is your claim...

Kindly point out the post where I ever made such a claim? I have always stated that there is no causality between declines in crime rates and increased gun purchases, which is your claim. See below:

From the 1990s to 2015.....27 years, more Americans went out, bought guns and over 19.4 million of them carried those guns in public for self defense....

According to you...that should have resulted in increased gun murder and gun crime....

That is your claim.

What actually happened?

Gun murder went down 49%...

Gun crime went down 75%....

Violent crime in general went down 72%..

The fact that you then proceed with a torrent of your regurgitated cut and paste BS demonstrates conclusively you cannot prove causality, you're just making things up in pursuit of your gun nut agenda.

 

[Vagabond63]

Just so long as you agree you presented a post-hoc fallacy.
Thanks.

Had I done so, I might well. However, you are confusing me with another poster, go talk to him.

 

[Vagabond63]

The CDC found 1.2 million defensive gun uses...

No they didn't. They determined that their "reseach" was inadequate and inconclusive, so never published any such fugures. This is probably some conclusion Kleck came to when he requested the data.

In 2013....obama ordered the CDC to look at all of the gun research available......what did they find after spending 10 million dollars?

Between 500,000 thousand and 3 million defensive gun uses from all the available research...

Again, all the CDC did was examine all the available data from all the available studies by others. They did not endorse the findings, merely stating that the lowest number found in the studies they looked at was 500,000, and the largest, 3,000,000. You keep making wild claims to support your agenda, ignoring objective facts, typical propaganist firehose of falsehoods.

 

[2aguy]

Kindly point out the post where I ever made such a claim? I have always stated that there is no causality between declines in crime rates and increased gun purchases, which is your claim. See below:


The fact that you then proceed with a torrent of your regurgitated cut and paste BS demonstrates conclusively you cannot prove causality, you're just making things up in pursuit of your gun nut agenda.

Where does that information claim that guns lowered the crime rate....as I keep pointing out to you morons, that information shows, over 27 years, that more gun ownership by law abiding citizens does not increase gun crime...the exact opposite of what idiots like you claim...

However.......gun ownership research shows they also lower the crime rate...

These are the papers that show gun ownership lowers the crime rate.......

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...144549202_Amicus brief SWD 7.19.2021 2300.pdf


Confirming "More Guns, Less Crime" on JSTOR

1977-2000
1.5%-2.3% reductions in murder rate
2-3 billion dollars benefit in first 5 years.


Wilson....

Appendix A Dissent--James Q. Wilson | Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review | The National Academies Press

Lott argued that murder rates decline after the adoption of RTC laws even after allowing for the effect of other variables that affect crime rates. The committee has confirmed this finding as is evident in its Tables 6-1, 6-2, 6-5 (first row), 6-6 (first row), and 6-7 (first two rows). This confirmation includes both the original data period (1977-1992) used by Lott and data that run through 2000. In view of the confirmation of the findings that shall-issue laws drive down the murder rate, it is hard for me to understand why these claims are called “fragile.”
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In addition, with only a few exceptions, the studies cited in Chapter 6, including those by Lott’s critics, do not show that the passage of RTC laws drives the crime rates up (as might be the case if one supposed that newly armed people went about looking for someone to shoot). The direct evidence that such shooting sprees occur is nonexistent. The indirect evidence, as found in papers by Black and Nagin and Ayres and Donohue [cited in Chapter 6], is controversial. Indeed, the Ayres and Donohue paper shows that there was a “statistically significant downward shift in the trend” of the murder rate (Chapter 6, page 135). This suggests to me that for people interested in RTC laws, the best evidence we have is that they impose no costs but may confer benefits. That conclusion might be very useful to authorities who contemplate the enactment of RTC laws.
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In sum, I find that the evidence presented by Lott and his supporters suggests that RTC laws do in fact help drive down the murder rate, though their effect on other crimes is ambiguous.

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/323313

Abstract​

In 1997, John Lott and David Mustard published an important paper in which they found that right‐to‐carry concealed weapons laws reduce violent crime. Although Lott and Mustard appear to do all possible variations of the analysis, a closer reading reveals that the study might suffer from several possibly important errors. I reestimate the model and check for incorrect functional form, omitted variables, and possible second‐order bias in the t‐ratios. Lott and Mustard's basic conclusions are generally robust with respect to these potential econometric problems. Overall, right‐to‐carry concealed weapons laws tend to reduce violent crime. The effect on property crime is more uncertain. I find evidence that these laws also reduce burglary.

Do Right to Carry Laws Increase Violent Crime? A Comment on Donohue, Aneja, and Weber · Econ Journal Watch : shall-issue, gun control

Nevertheless, when we use the synthetic control model, we find that the claim that RTC laws increase either murder or violent crime is not supported. We find states where crime increased after the implementation of the RTC law, and we find more states in which crime decreased after the law.

Mustard, D. 2001. The impact of gun laws on police deaths. The Journal of Law & Economics, 44(S2): 635-657..

After enactment of the right-to-carry laws, states exhibit a reduced likelihood of having a felonious police death rate and slightly lower rates of police deaths.
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Allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons does not endanger the lives of officers and may help reduce their risk of being killed.

(PDF) Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes—Only a Count Analysis Can Say
We find that the effects of such laws vary across crime categories, U.S. states, and time and that such laws appear to have statistically significant deterrent effects on the numbers of reported murders, rapes, and robberies. Copyright 2001 by the University of Chicago.

EconPapers: Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness
Overall, right-to-carry concealed weapons laws tend to reduce violent crime. The effect on property crime is more uncertain. I find evidence that these laws also reduce burglary. Copyright 2001 by the University of Chicago.

The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws · Econ Journal Watch : shall-issue, crime, handguns, concealed weapons
Our analysis, as well as Ayres and Donohue’s when projected beyond a five-year span, indicates that shall-issue laws decrease crime and the costs of crime. Purists in statistical analysis object with some cause to some of methods employed both by Ayres and Donohue and by us. But our paper upgrades Ayres and Donohue, so, until the next study comes along, our paper should neutralize Ayres and Donohue’s “more guns, more crime” conclusion.
The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws on Crime: An Exercise in Replication
his paper reports a replication of their basic findings and some corresponding robustness checks, which reveal a serious omitted variable problem. Once corrected for omitted variables, the most robust result, confirmed using both county and state data, is that RTC laws significantly reduce murder. There is no robust, consistent evidence that RTC laws have any significant effect on other violent crimes, including assault. There is some weak evidence that RTC laws increase robbery and assault while decreasing rape. Given that the victim costs of murder and rape are much higher than the costs of robbery and assault, the evidence shows that RTC laws are socially beneficial.

 

[2aguy]

No they didn't. They determined that their "reseach" was inadequate and inconclusive, so never published any such fugures. This is probably some conclusion Kleck came to when he requested the data.

Again, all the CDC did was examine all the available data from all the available studies by others. They did not endorse the findings, merely stating that the lowest number found in the studies they looked at was 500,000, and the largest, 3,000,000. You keep making wild claims to support your agenda, ignoring objective facts, typical propaganist firehose of falsehoods.

Nope.....I stated that actual research, conducted by trained professional researchers from both the private and public sectors, almost all of them anti-gun in their beliefs, showed the numbers of defensive gun uses..............I always list the studies...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
----
The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

 

[2aguy]

No they didn't. They determined that their "reseach" was inadequate and inconclusive, so never published any such fugures. This is probably some conclusion Kleck came to when he requested the data.

Again, all the CDC did was examine all the available data from all the available studies by others. They did not endorse the findings, merely stating that the lowest number found in the studies they looked at was 500,000, and the largest, 3,000,000. You keep making wild claims to support your agenda, ignoring objective facts, typical propaganist firehose of falsehoods.

No....they did the research, and realized it wasn't going to refute what Kleck found....so they hid the research.

Then you have to account for the other 17 studies........

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
----
The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

 

[2aguy]

Kindly point out the post where I ever made such a claim? I have always stated that there is no causality between declines in crime rates and increased gun purchases, which is your claim. See below:


The fact that you then proceed with a torrent of your regurgitated cut and paste BS demonstrates conclusively you cannot prove causality, you're just making things up in pursuit of your gun nut agenda.

Never claimed causality with the Pew research......the 27 years of increased gun ownership and the 49% decrease in gun murder, and the 75% decrease in gun crime...

What I always state is that this shows that increased gun ownership does not cause an increase in gun crime or gun murder...........that is the claim asshats like you make........and then can't explain how gun murder and gun crime went down, not up over that 27 year period...

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........