Gun background checks in August set another record....good for us. More guns = less crime.

[Daryl Hunt]

Enough of you. Go play with your guns. But don't bother the rest of us. We might be having an adults conversation.

Have a nice day and don't shoot your foot off.

 

[Rustic]

You are an idiot........ There are over 17.25 million Americans who have concealed carry permits in 2018....over that because many states are Constitutional Carry states which means you can carry your legal gun without needing a permit.... so more Americans than ever before have permits to carry guns wether they carry every day or not.....and as this number has increased.....you mental midget........ the gun murder rate went down 49%, the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%....

This shows you don't know what you are talking about.....

And yet only about 25% of the concealed weapons carry people are carrying at any one time. And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime. But the return of jobs to the inner cities certainly has been a huge factor as well as the better law enforcement and community support. Those are the reasons. Not the fact that there were more guns sold to the same people over and over again. Only 40% of the population owns guns and that hasn't changed since 1991. Yet the percentage of crime has gone down. There is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership and reduction of crime or the increase of crime. And since there has been absolutely no credible study proving this done you can't prove otherwise.

Stop making shit up.

Why don't you post something to support your claims?

Where does that 25% number come from..... your ass or your adult diapers?

Sure, potty mouth. Easy answer. Simple google search and all kinds of supporting data comes up. Out of 17 million concealed carry holders, there are only 3 million carrying at any given time. Do the math on that one.
Analysis | 3 million Americans carry loaded handguns with them every single day, study finds

I also did a search of the right wing pro gun sites and they only mention the increase in CCW licenses. They make no mention of the restrictions where you are barred by law to have even a CCW. They make no mention of the percentage of those that actually carry at any given time. You need to expand your education. The Ultra Right Wing Gun Primer must be all of about a half page and done in crayon.

Ok, why in the **** do you care if people conceal carry or open carry or not? why in the **** is it any of your business? why in the **** do you want to be a control freak? why the **** do you always side with the progressive anti-gun nutters?

most likely there are 400,000,000+ firearms in the United States owned by law-abiding citizens… How many of them are used percentage wise in violent crime every year?

There is almost 175,000 deaths so far this year in this country by medical errors, obviously Thats murder.

We have much bigger fish to fry, take your pick... firearm violence is not a major concern in this country
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

We change what we can change. We prevent what we can prevent. We have no control over that that we can't prevent. If we can save one life then that's a good thing. Your views aren't worth the loss of one single life.

You do realize there are much worse things than dying… Life is not marching in lockstep with a collective... that’s not living.
You did not answer my question, what are you gonna do about medical errors? so far this year there are almost 175,000 people murdered by medical errors…

How many people were murdered so far this year with by someone using an Ar15 and the like? This seems you need to get your priorities straight... bathtubs are far more dangerous than ARs... by the numbers.

 

[Rustic]

Law-abiding citizens do not commit crimes, that includes law-abiding citizens who carry concealed or not

And a gun crime done in the heat of passion, just before the crime, that person was a law abiding citizen.

Specious argument.

The whole criminal in waiting theory is bullshit.

Or maybe you should be put on a sex offender's list because you haven't raped a little boy.......................................YET

Now, that's more than a bit uncalled for. Or is it just a deep residing wishful fantasy on your part leaking out for us to see.

The fact remains firearm violence is an non-issue in this country, we have much bigger fish to fry… Take your pick
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

But it is a problem. One that the common person has addressed through laws. And those laws are generally enforced. No, it doesn't stop the smart criminal but it sure does slow the stupid down. If that is all that we do then a life is saved. And your daffy views aren't worth the loss of one single life.

Lol
Frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul, But they are great for controlling those you disagree with?

 

[Rustic]

Enough of you. Go play with your guns. But don't bother the rest of us. We might be having an adults conversation.

Have a nice day and don't shoot your foot off.

 

[2aguy]

Dumbass, firearms outnumber people in rural areas many, many times over and there is next to no violent crime… The same cannot be said for progressive controlled urban areas

You said that already. it's still nonsense.

I know the facts hurt you, An armed America is a polite America...
Buy more guns and ammo...

So we arm everyone on the street. Yah, that works. And we remove all the restriction where they can be armed. Now we have a bunch of angry drunks running around settling scores. And a drunk is more likely to hit innocents rather than his intended target. Welcome to Dallas Tx circa 1870.

You make things up, and talk out of your ass....you have no idea what you are talking about...

You can't explain the fact that as more Americans now own and carry guns, our gun crime rates have gone down, not up, showing that what you just posted is silly and wrong........

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


And then we have the CDC research that shows you are wrong......AMericans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals...they are not using them to commit crimes.......

A Second Look at a Controversial Study About Defensive Gun Use

Shortly after that study was released, however, Robert VerBruggen of National Review (who has been of inestimable help in thinking through these issues) tweeted that he noticed, by studying the raw survey data himself, that Kleck had mistaken what were in fact surveys limited to small numbers of states per year for a national survey, analogous to Kleck/Gertz's own national surveys.

in direct response to queries from Reason, who first directly notified Kleck of his error, he worked through and has since issued a revised version of the paper, published as was the original as a working paper on the Social Science Research Network. In the new version, Kleck re-analyzes the BRFSS survey data accurately as limited to a small number of states, and ultimately concludes, when their surveys are analyzed in conjunction with his NSDS, that their surveys indicate likely over 1 million defensive uses of guns (DGUs) a year nationally, compared to the over 2 million of his own NSDS.

Here's how Kleck got to that new conclusion. The BRFSS, as Kleck describes it in his paper, "are high-quality telephone surveys of very large probability samples of U.S. adults...even just the subset of four to seven state surveys that asked about DGU in 1996-1998 interviewed 3,197-4,500 adults, depending on the year. This is more people than were asked about this topic in any other surveys, other than the National Self-Defense Survey conducted in 1993 by Kleck and Gertz (1995), who asked DGU questions of 4,977 people." The BRFSS asked about defensive uses of guns in seven states in 1996, seven in 1997, and four in 1998.

Kleck judged the "wording of the DGU question in the BRFSS surveys" as "also excellent, avoiding many problems with the wording that afflicted the DGU questions used in other surveys."

The BRFSS results were designed to exclude "uses by military, police and others with firearm-related jobs" and "uses against animals." The survey was designed to garner "yes" answers as long as a gun was used in presumed self-defense in any location (not just the home), whether or not the gun was actually fired (as, per Kleck's survey, around 3/4 of the time one needn't fire the gun to have found it useful in deterring an intruder or attacker).

Since Kleck's survey did not include Alaska and Hawaii and the BRFSS did (in 1996 and 1997 respectively), he kept them out of the comparison. The states for which a meaningful comparison could be made between his NSDS and this CDC survey, then, were, in 1996, Kentucky, Louisiana (also surveyed in 1998), Maryland, New Hampshire (also surveyed in 1997), New York, and West Virginia; in 1997, Colorado, Missouri, New Jersey (also surveyed in 1998), North Dakota, and Ohio; and in 1998, Montana and Pennsylvania.

Kleck used both civilian, Law Enforcement to come up with those figures and has largely been debunked. The rest of your post actually goes back to Lott who's funny math was found to be incorrect and he was discredited. You want your ass back now? You can have it back once you just stop making shit up.

No, he hasn't been debunked and also, doofus.......the study I posted looked at the numbers the CDC found, not Kleck...since you obviously didn't take the time to even look at the abstract or the Reason article on the CDC numbers.....you don't know what you are talking about...

And no, Kleck did not use law enforcement or the military for his numbers and the CDC didn't use them for their numbers...are you lying or just pulling that statement out of your ass?

 

[Rustic]

You said that already. it's still nonsense.

I know the facts hurt you, An armed America is a polite America...
Buy more guns and ammo...

So we arm everyone on the street. Yah, that works. And we remove all the restriction where they can be armed. Now we have a bunch of angry drunks running around settling scores. And a drunk is more likely to hit innocents rather than his intended target. Welcome to Dallas Tx circa 1870.

You make things up, and talk out of your ass....you have no idea what you are talking about...

You can't explain the fact that as more Americans now own and carry guns, our gun crime rates have gone down, not up, showing that what you just posted is silly and wrong........

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


And then we have the CDC research that shows you are wrong......AMericans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals...they are not using them to commit crimes.......

A Second Look at a Controversial Study About Defensive Gun Use

Shortly after that study was released, however, Robert VerBruggen of National Review (who has been of inestimable help in thinking through these issues) tweeted that he noticed, by studying the raw survey data himself, that Kleck had mistaken what were in fact surveys limited to small numbers of states per year for a national survey, analogous to Kleck/Gertz's own national surveys.

in direct response to queries from Reason, who first directly notified Kleck of his error, he worked through and has since issued a revised version of the paper, published as was the original as a working paper on the Social Science Research Network. In the new version, Kleck re-analyzes the BRFSS survey data accurately as limited to a small number of states, and ultimately concludes, when their surveys are analyzed in conjunction with his NSDS, that their surveys indicate likely over 1 million defensive uses of guns (DGUs) a year nationally, compared to the over 2 million of his own NSDS.

Here's how Kleck got to that new conclusion. The BRFSS, as Kleck describes it in his paper, "are high-quality telephone surveys of very large probability samples of U.S. adults...even just the subset of four to seven state surveys that asked about DGU in 1996-1998 interviewed 3,197-4,500 adults, depending on the year. This is more people than were asked about this topic in any other surveys, other than the National Self-Defense Survey conducted in 1993 by Kleck and Gertz (1995), who asked DGU questions of 4,977 people." The BRFSS asked about defensive uses of guns in seven states in 1996, seven in 1997, and four in 1998.

Kleck judged the "wording of the DGU question in the BRFSS surveys" as "also excellent, avoiding many problems with the wording that afflicted the DGU questions used in other surveys."

The BRFSS results were designed to exclude "uses by military, police and others with firearm-related jobs" and "uses against animals." The survey was designed to garner "yes" answers as long as a gun was used in presumed self-defense in any location (not just the home), whether or not the gun was actually fired (as, per Kleck's survey, around 3/4 of the time one needn't fire the gun to have found it useful in deterring an intruder or attacker).

Since Kleck's survey did not include Alaska and Hawaii and the BRFSS did (in 1996 and 1997 respectively), he kept them out of the comparison. The states for which a meaningful comparison could be made between his NSDS and this CDC survey, then, were, in 1996, Kentucky, Louisiana (also surveyed in 1998), Maryland, New Hampshire (also surveyed in 1997), New York, and West Virginia; in 1997, Colorado, Missouri, New Jersey (also surveyed in 1998), North Dakota, and Ohio; and in 1998, Montana and Pennsylvania.

Kleck used both civilian, Law Enforcement to come up with those figures and has largely been debunked. The rest of your post actually goes back to Lott who's funny math was found to be incorrect and he was discredited. You want your ass back now? You can have it back once you just stop making shit up.

No, he hasn't been debunked and also, doofus.......the study I posted looked at the numbers the CDC found, not Kleck...since you obviously didn't take the time to even look at the abstract or the Reason article on the CDC numbers.....you don't know what you are talking about...

And no, Kleck did not use law enforcement or the military for his numbers and the CDC didn't use them for their numbers...are you lying or just pulling that statement out of your ass?

Darrell hunt is a socialist who can’t think for himself. The collective has trained him not so well

 

[2aguy]

Sorry Dorfus - More guns = More crime and more death

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

That article, and the health sector studies they site have actually been debunked.f......

Actual research by the CDC shows that Americans use their guns on average 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals...

And as Pew research shows after looking at crime stats over the last 25 years...and those studies can't disprove....

The below information is a fact.....and you can't hide that fact or lie about it...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Guns are a neutral entity in the equation.

So you're saying that guns don't make anyone safer.

They make 1.1 million Americans safer every year, according to the CDC research.

Also, you still won't explain how gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% as more Americans now own and carry guns....over 17.2 million Americans who now can carry guns for self defense...and all that crime went down.

You haven't answered that.

You also haven't answered how Britain, who did exactly what you want, banning and confiscating guns...an island no less, now has increasing gun violence and crime..

You can't explain that...

No explanation needed. The CDC got out of that business. It seems that they were found to be partisan in their research on that subject and told to stop doing that research. Besides, you have yet to present those CDC reports you keep claiming to exist other than File Not Found.

And the number of guns sold has increased but the percentage of people that own guns has remained the same since 1991. Therefore, there must be other reasons the crime rates have gone down.

Here is the research.....newly revised, and ready to go....

1.1 million defensive gun uses by Americans......from the CDC...

What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses? by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Here we go again. Got a good grip on your ass? Hope it's held on by velco otherwise this is going to painful once again. Here is the real truth about your survey by Gary Kleck. I won't post the whole thing, just the beginning but enough of the critique to get the idea that you are just making shit up again. There is a lot more to this report by the Virginia Center for Public Safety.

Contradictions of Kleck

The Contradictions of the Kleck Study
INFORMATION ON DEFENSIVE GUN USES

KLECK STUDY

In a 1992 survey, Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist, found that there are 2.5 million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by “law-abiding” citizens in the United States. Another study from the same period, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), estimated 65,000 DGUs annually. The NCVS survey differed from Kleck’s study in that it only interviewed those who reported a threatened, attempted, or completed victimization for one of six crimes: rape, robbery, assault, burglary, non-business larceny, and motor vehicle theft. That accounts for the discrepancy in the two results. A National Research Council report said that Kleck's estimates appeared to be exaggerated and that it was almost certain that "some of what respondents designate[d] as their own self-defense would be construed as aggression by others" (Understanding and Preventing Violence, 266, Albert J. Reiss, Jr. & Jeffrey A. Roth, eds., 1992).

The 2.5 million figure would lead us to conclude that, in a serious crime, the victim is three to four times more likely than the offender to have and use a gun. Although the criminal determines when and where a crime occurs, although pro-gun advocates claim that criminals can always get guns, although few potential victims carry guns away from home, the criminal, according to Kleck’s survey, is usually outgunned by the individual he is trying to assault, burglarize, rob or rape.

Kleck’s survey also included gun uses against animals and did not distinguish civilian uses from military of police uses. Kleck’s Interviewers do not appear to have questioned a random individual at a given telephone number, but rather asked to speak to the male head of the household. Males from the South and West were oversampled. The results imply that many hundreds of thousands of murders should have been occurring when a private gun was not available for protection. Yet guns are rarely carried, less than a third of adult Americans personally own guns, and only 27,000 homicides occurred in 1992.

Moron......Kleck has defended his research over and over and right here.....they lied...

Kleck’s survey also included gun uses against animals and did not distinguish civilian uses from military of police uses.

This is a direct lie, and you site them as being legitimate.....you don't know what you are saying and your anti gun sources have to lie to make their point...

Besides which....the study I just linked to that you are responding to is Kleck looking at the defensive gun use numbers generated by the CDC research.....not his study, you doofus.....

They found 1.1 million times a year on average...


You can't refute Pew's research over 25 years...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Besides that....Kleck's study and the CDC research aren't the only ones......here are the rest...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....
Self defense with a gun:

 

[2aguy]

Yep, we're doing ggggrrrreat!!

View attachment 215201
View attachment 215202

And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?

Not an easy question to answer. Especially to a mental midget like you. The number of people that own guns has NOT gone up since 1991 yet the amount of guns sold has gone up exponentially. So those two are not connected in any way. it's still the same percentage. But the crime rate has gone down. What has changed? People have changed, communities have changed, it's a social issue not a gun issue and always was. Even the CCW card holders only carry their guns about a fourth of the time for various reasons so the increase in CCW numbers aren't as high as you believe that are carrying on the street at any given time. You really believe I go outside to the local quick stop and want to take my sidearm? It's right down the friggin street. Or do I really want to go to the supermarket packing all the time? Do I want to work on my car in the driveway with that gun on my hip snagging on just about everything? Jogging, the gun chafes me. Now, if I am carrying a large amount of money, arm up, of course. Or if I am forced to go into a rough section of town, break out the iron. But most of the time, carrying that weapon is not only uncomfortable but just plain silly. My dick is already the right size.

You are an idiot........ There are over 17.25 million Americans who have concealed carry permits in 2018....over that because many states are Constitutional Carry states which means you can carry your legal gun without needing a permit.... so more Americans than ever before have permits to carry guns wether they carry every day or not.....and as this number has increased.....you mental midget........ the gun murder rate went down 49%, the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%....

This shows you don't know what you are talking about.....

And yet only about 25% of the concealed weapons carry people are carrying at any one time. And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime. But the return of jobs to the inner cities certainly has been a huge factor as well as the better law enforcement and community support. Those are the reasons. Not the fact that there were more guns sold to the same people over and over again. Only 40% of the population owns guns and that hasn't changed since 1991. Yet the percentage of crime has gone down. There is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership and reduction of crime or the increase of crime. And since there has been absolutely no credible study proving this done you can't prove otherwise.

Stop making shit up.

And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime.


You just make things up, think you are clever, and then post it.....here are actual research papers that look at carrying guns and the crime rate, showing 1) You don't know what you are talking about when you say there is no evidence, and 2) actual research shows you don't know what you are talking about...

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001 — see Table 3 on page 679

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Abortion and Crime: Unwanted children and out-of-wedlock births, John R. Lott, Jr and John Whitley, October 2006.– page 14, Table 2.

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001 — page 707, fn. 29

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr. — many places in the text.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.

“The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws: A Critique of the 2014 Version of Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang,” Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Econ Journal Watch, January 2018: 51-66.

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

 

[2aguy]

And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?

Not an easy question to answer. Especially to a mental midget like you. The number of people that own guns has NOT gone up since 1991 yet the amount of guns sold has gone up exponentially. So those two are not connected in any way. it's still the same percentage. But the crime rate has gone down. What has changed? People have changed, communities have changed, it's a social issue not a gun issue and always was. Even the CCW card holders only carry their guns about a fourth of the time for various reasons so the increase in CCW numbers aren't as high as you believe that are carrying on the street at any given time. You really believe I go outside to the local quick stop and want to take my sidearm? It's right down the friggin street. Or do I really want to go to the supermarket packing all the time? Do I want to work on my car in the driveway with that gun on my hip snagging on just about everything? Jogging, the gun chafes me. Now, if I am carrying a large amount of money, arm up, of course. Or if I am forced to go into a rough section of town, break out the iron. But most of the time, carrying that weapon is not only uncomfortable but just plain silly. My dick is already the right size.

You are an idiot........ There are over 17.25 million Americans who have concealed carry permits in 2018....over that because many states are Constitutional Carry states which means you can carry your legal gun without needing a permit.... so more Americans than ever before have permits to carry guns wether they carry every day or not.....and as this number has increased.....you mental midget........ the gun murder rate went down 49%, the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%....

This shows you don't know what you are talking about.....

And yet only about 25% of the concealed weapons carry people are carrying at any one time. And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime. But the return of jobs to the inner cities certainly has been a huge factor as well as the better law enforcement and community support. Those are the reasons. Not the fact that there were more guns sold to the same people over and over again. Only 40% of the population owns guns and that hasn't changed since 1991. Yet the percentage of crime has gone down. There is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership and reduction of crime or the increase of crime. And since there has been absolutely no credible study proving this done you can't prove otherwise.

Stop making shit up.

Law-abiding citizens do not commit crimes, that includes law-abiding citizens who carry concealed or not

And a gun crime done in the heat of passion, just before the crime, that person was a law abiding citizen.

Wrong....you are talking out of your ass again....90% of murderers have long histories of crime and violence before they commit the murder, they are not some guy at a fender bender or a guy mad about the wife burning dinner....

The Criminology of Firearms


In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies.


Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

 

[2aguy]

You are an idiot........ There are over 17.25 million Americans who have concealed carry permits in 2018....over that because many states are Constitutional Carry states which means you can carry your legal gun without needing a permit.... so more Americans than ever before have permits to carry guns wether they carry every day or not.....and as this number has increased.....you mental midget........ the gun murder rate went down 49%, the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%....

This shows you don't know what you are talking about.....

And yet only about 25% of the concealed weapons carry people are carrying at any one time. And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime. But the return of jobs to the inner cities certainly has been a huge factor as well as the better law enforcement and community support. Those are the reasons. Not the fact that there were more guns sold to the same people over and over again. Only 40% of the population owns guns and that hasn't changed since 1991. Yet the percentage of crime has gone down. There is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership and reduction of crime or the increase of crime. And since there has been absolutely no credible study proving this done you can't prove otherwise.

Stop making shit up.

Law-abiding citizens do not commit crimes, that includes law-abiding citizens who carry concealed or not

And a gun crime done in the heat of passion, just before the crime, that person was a law abiding citizen.

The numbers prove you wrong, whats the percentage of firearms(more specifically Ar15s and the like) are used in violent crime in this country?

The AR and it's copies are the record holders for the body counts. And the communities are not looking for these people walking down the streets carrying them. Carry a locked and loaded AR down the street and you WILL get a visit from at least one very nervous cop fast.

No they aren't you doofus...... hand guns kill more people every year than rifles do....and knives, clubs and empty hands kill more people each year than all rifles types.....and lawn mowers kill more people each and every year than mass shooters with rifles do......

You just talk out of your ass and think you are saying something true....how do you do that?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And yet only about 25% of the concealed weapons carry people are carrying at any one time. And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime. But the return of jobs to the inner cities certainly has been a huge factor as well as the better law enforcement and community support. Those are the reasons. Not the fact that there were more guns sold to the same people over and over again. Only 40% of the population owns guns and that hasn't changed since 1991. Yet the percentage of crime has gone down. There is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership and reduction of crime or the increase of crime. And since there has been absolutely no credible study proving this done you can't prove otherwise.

Stop making shit up.

Law-abiding citizens do not commit crimes, that includes law-abiding citizens who carry concealed or not

And a gun crime done in the heat of passion, just before the crime, that person was a law abiding citizen.

The numbers prove you wrong, whats the percentage of firearms(more specifically Ar15s and the like) are used in violent crime in this country?

The AR and it's copies are the record holders for the body counts. And the communities are not looking for these people walking down the streets carrying them. Carry a locked and loaded AR down the street and you WILL get a visit from at least one very nervous cop fast.

No they aren't you doofus...... hand guns kill more people every year than rifles do....and knives, clubs and empty hands kill more people each year than all rifles types.....and lawn mowers kill more people each and every year than mass shooters with rifles do......

You just talk out of your ass and think you are saying something true....how do you do that?

You are nothing but an ill tempered poor mannered spoiled little child. The grownups need to talk now. Have a nice day now. Go play with your toys and try not to shoot your foot off.

 

[Rustic]

Law-abiding citizens do not commit crimes, that includes law-abiding citizens who carry concealed or not

And a gun crime done in the heat of passion, just before the crime, that person was a law abiding citizen.

The numbers prove you wrong, whats the percentage of firearms(more specifically Ar15s and the like) are used in violent crime in this country?

The AR and it's copies are the record holders for the body counts. And the communities are not looking for these people walking down the streets carrying them. Carry a locked and loaded AR down the street and you WILL get a visit from at least one very nervous cop fast.

No they aren't you doofus...... hand guns kill more people every year than rifles do....and knives, clubs and empty hands kill more people each year than all rifles types.....and lawn mowers kill more people each and every year than mass shooters with rifles do......

You just talk out of your ass and think you are saying something true....how do you do that?

You are nothing but an ill tempered poor mannered spoiled little child. The grownups need to talk now. Have a nice day now. Go play with your toys and try not to shoot your foot off.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?

Not an easy question to answer. Especially to a mental midget like you. The number of people that own guns has NOT gone up since 1991 yet the amount of guns sold has gone up exponentially. So those two are not connected in any way. it's still the same percentage. But the crime rate has gone down. What has changed? People have changed, communities have changed, it's a social issue not a gun issue and always was. Even the CCW card holders only carry their guns about a fourth of the time for various reasons so the increase in CCW numbers aren't as high as you believe that are carrying on the street at any given time. You really believe I go outside to the local quick stop and want to take my sidearm? It's right down the friggin street. Or do I really want to go to the supermarket packing all the time? Do I want to work on my car in the driveway with that gun on my hip snagging on just about everything? Jogging, the gun chafes me. Now, if I am carrying a large amount of money, arm up, of course. Or if I am forced to go into a rough section of town, break out the iron. But most of the time, carrying that weapon is not only uncomfortable but just plain silly. My dick is already the right size.

You are an idiot........ There are over 17.25 million Americans who have concealed carry permits in 2018....over that because many states are Constitutional Carry states which means you can carry your legal gun without needing a permit.... so more Americans than ever before have permits to carry guns wether they carry every day or not.....and as this number has increased.....you mental midget........ the gun murder rate went down 49%, the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%....

This shows you don't know what you are talking about.....

And yet only about 25% of the concealed weapons carry people are carrying at any one time. And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime. But the return of jobs to the inner cities certainly has been a huge factor as well as the better law enforcement and community support. Those are the reasons. Not the fact that there were more guns sold to the same people over and over again. Only 40% of the population owns guns and that hasn't changed since 1991. Yet the percentage of crime has gone down. There is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership and reduction of crime or the increase of crime. And since there has been absolutely no credible study proving this done you can't prove otherwise.

Stop making shit up.

Why don't you post something to support your claims?

Where does that 25% number come from..... your ass or your adult diapers?

Sure, potty mouth. Easy answer. Simple google search and all kinds of supporting data comes up. Out of 17 million concealed carry holders, there are only 3 million carrying at any given time. Do the math on that one.
Analysis | 3 million Americans carry loaded handguns with them every single day, study finds

I also did a search of the right wing pro gun sites and they only mention the increase in CCW licenses. They make no mention of the restrictions where you are barred by law to have even a CCW. They make no mention of the percentage of those that actually carry at any given time. You need to expand your education. The Ultra Right Wing Gun Primer must be all of about a half page and done in crayon.

I'm not subscribing to read a link

Where did the data come from?

What was the sample size?

There is no reliable way to accurately count the number of people who are carrying a gun at any given time

And I'm willing to bet most people are like me and if asked if they are carrying will say no even if they are

 

[Skull Pilot]

You are an idiot........ There are over 17.25 million Americans who have concealed carry permits in 2018....over that because many states are Constitutional Carry states which means you can carry your legal gun without needing a permit.... so more Americans than ever before have permits to carry guns wether they carry every day or not.....and as this number has increased.....you mental midget........ the gun murder rate went down 49%, the gun crime rate went down 75%, the violent crime rate went down 72%....

This shows you don't know what you are talking about.....

And yet only about 25% of the concealed weapons carry people are carrying at any one time. And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime. But the return of jobs to the inner cities certainly has been a huge factor as well as the better law enforcement and community support. Those are the reasons. Not the fact that there were more guns sold to the same people over and over again. Only 40% of the population owns guns and that hasn't changed since 1991. Yet the percentage of crime has gone down. There is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership and reduction of crime or the increase of crime. And since there has been absolutely no credible study proving this done you can't prove otherwise.

Stop making shit up.

Law-abiding citizens do not commit crimes, that includes law-abiding citizens who carry concealed or not

And a gun crime done in the heat of passion, just before the crime, that person was a law abiding citizen.

Specious argument.

The whole criminal in waiting theory is bullshit.

Or maybe you should be put on a sex offender's list because you haven't raped a little boy.......................................YET

Now, that's more than a bit uncalled for. Or is it just a deep residing wishful fantasy on your part leaking out for us to see.

You're the idiot making the stupid claim that people don't commit crimes until they do and who wants gun laws based on such a ******* idiotic claim so be consistent for once and apply that faulty logic to all laws

No man is a rapist until he is so all men should be considered rapists in waiting and laws must be passed to prevent men from committing rape

 

[MindWars]

Yep, we're doing ggggrrrreat!!

View attachment 215201
View attachment 215202

Oh but the FBI woud never lie to get those resuts

here they tell the truth for once

 

[Rustic]

And yet only about 25% of the concealed weapons carry people are carrying at any one time. And there has been not one single credible report that shows that this has anything to do with the reduction in crime. But the return of jobs to the inner cities certainly has been a huge factor as well as the better law enforcement and community support. Those are the reasons. Not the fact that there were more guns sold to the same people over and over again. Only 40% of the population owns guns and that hasn't changed since 1991. Yet the percentage of crime has gone down. There is absolutely no correlation between gun ownership and reduction of crime or the increase of crime. And since there has been absolutely no credible study proving this done you can't prove otherwise.

Stop making shit up.

Law-abiding citizens do not commit crimes, that includes law-abiding citizens who carry concealed or not

And a gun crime done in the heat of passion, just before the crime, that person was a law abiding citizen.

Specious argument.

The whole criminal in waiting theory is bullshit.

Or maybe you should be put on a sex offender's list because you haven't raped a little boy.......................................YET

Now, that's more than a bit uncalled for. Or is it just a deep residing wishful fantasy on your part leaking out for us to see.

You're the idiot making the stupid claim that people don't commit crimes until they do and who wants gun laws based on such a ******* idiotic claim so be consistent for once and apply that faulty logic to all laws

No man is a rapist until he is so all men should be considered rapists in waiting and laws must be passed to prevent men from committing rape

Darrell hunt is a progressive control freak, There is no logic in their thinking...