Orangecat
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Why would I want to hide behind you?You can’t hide behind ignorance of science.
You post theories and act as if they're facts. Poor form, that.
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Why would I want to hide behind you?You can’t hide behind ignorance of science.
If I had to choose Hindu Cosmogony makes the most senseIt's one thing to argue for the existence of a First Cause. Quite another thing to prove that it was your version of this First Cause that was responsible for everything.
Yes, of course it is. Per the first principles of metaphysics, logic and physics, we know that the physical world began to exist. Only utter nincompoops allege to argue from the imperatives of logic and simultaneously deny the ontological imperative of sufficient cause or reason. The divinity of classical theism is the only empirically and rationally justifiable candidate. There's only a very small handful of religious traditions that are classically theistic. Of the few, there's only one that thoroughly accounts for the facts of reality.
In the meantime, naturalism/materialism is inherently contradictory, self-negating.
Why would any Christian need to prove that the earth was created by the god 6000 years ago?
just take it on faith and move on.
It's not a topic to debate or that needs proving. It just IS and only Satan would say it ISN'T!
Does he care about my well being?He would by definition know all things.
I’m not clear on the prevailing science that supports partisan religious beliefs.Oh, gawd. Not that collection of paste and paste nonsense again.I don't claim to know with certainty the specifics of how the universe started or precisely how life began. We can, however, make a rational and reasoned case for abiogenesis as a natural phenomenon without intervention of supernatural agents. The processes of biological evolution follow readily from there.I don't have any gods. I'm just not so pompous as to believe I know how life and the universe started, like you obviously are.There is nothing to indicate your gods or anyone else’s gods caused the expansion. Can you offer anything to indicate that a supernatural event caused by your gods was the reason.
A god is just as plausible as your theory, perhaps moreso depending on your definition of "god".
An "expansion" caused life to begin from nothing? Ok, boomer.
1) The evidence that evolution has occurred is overwhelming and comes from multiple different sources, each of which independently establishes the identical pattern of evolutionary descent. The sources for that evidence come independently from anatomy, genetics, biogeography, biochemistry and the fossil record.
2) The fossil record of human evolution from apelike ancestors is particular;y rich and well documented with multiple intermediate species between modern humans and those ancestors.
3) Different species do not exchange genetic information. One species evolves into another species by accumulating genetic mutations over many generations, until such time that enough genetic distance is established to prevent interbreeding. This is what the “ring species” demonstrate so elegantly.
4) The genetic mutations within species are “synchronized and harmonized” through the many well understood processes we together call “population genetics.” I am happy to also go into much greater depth here if you are interested.
5) Genetic mutations between different species are not “synchronized” or “harmonized,” so there is no mechanism that requires proposal.
6) There are several competing explanations for abiogenesis, and the current research in the field is extensive and fruitful. But the point remains, (snark) the first DNA was seeded on Earth by space aliens, or created by Allah, Maybe Vishnu or perhaps by a formidable, unionized consortium of gods.
6.5) Humans evolved from Apelike ancestors. The evolution of all living things since that original DNA is established scientific fact.
Utter hogwash! The myths of abiogenesis and evolution are solely predicated on the metaphysical presupposition of naturalism/materialism, the atheist's religion, which is neither logically nor scientifically verifiable. The naturalist/materialist begs the question, unwittingly assumes his conclusion in his premise, and calls his religious convictions science.
In the meantime. . . .
Abiogenesis: The Unholy Grail of Atheism
I wrote it, and it's predicated on prevailing science. But you won't read it or directly refute it. That's not your style, Hollie. You just spout ad hominem and slogans in the face of the rational and empirical evidence that falsifies the tenets of your religion. You're a fanatic, a broken record, a smile and a shoeshine, all hat and no cattle, more at, all mouth and no common sense. You don't know or really understand squat about the pertinent biochemistry anymore than you grasp the metaphysical nature of your assumptions. You're a mindless denizen of scientism, a total phony.
LOL!
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Is biological evolution not a fact?Why would I want to hide behind you?You can’t hide behind ignorance of science.
You post theories and act as if they're facts. Poor form, that.
Wouldn't he also be the very essence of badness, assuming he is the creator of all things?By definition he would be the very essence of goodness, so, yes, he cares about your well-being.
It's an observable phenomenon that doesn't even come close to explaining where life began or why it struggles to survive and reproduce.Is biological evolution not a fact?
I’m not clear on the prevailing science that supports partisan religious beliefs.Oh, gawd. Not that collection of paste and paste nonsense again.I don't claim to know with certainty the specifics of how the universe started or precisely how life began. We can, however, make a rational and reasoned case for abiogenesis as a natural phenomenon without intervention of supernatural agents. The processes of biological evolution follow readily from there.I don't have any gods. I'm just not so pompous as to believe I know how life and the universe started, like you obviously are.There is nothing to indicate your gods or anyone else’s gods caused the expansion. Can you offer anything to indicate that a supernatural event caused by your gods was the reason.
A god is just as plausible as your theory, perhaps moreso depending on your definition of "god".
An "expansion" caused life to begin from nothing? Ok, boomer.
1) The evidence that evolution has occurred is overwhelming and comes from multiple different sources, each of which independently establishes the identical pattern of evolutionary descent. The sources for that evidence come independently from anatomy, genetics, biogeography, biochemistry and the fossil record.
2) The fossil record of human evolution from apelike ancestors is particular;y rich and well documented with multiple intermediate species between modern humans and those ancestors.
3) Different species do not exchange genetic information. One species evolves into another species by accumulating genetic mutations over many generations, until such time that enough genetic distance is established to prevent interbreeding. This is what the “ring species” demonstrate so elegantly.
4) The genetic mutations within species are “synchronized and harmonized” through the many well understood processes we together call “population genetics.” I am happy to also go into much greater depth here if you are interested.
5) Genetic mutations between different species are not “synchronized” or “harmonized,” so there is no mechanism that requires proposal.
6) There are several competing explanations for abiogenesis, and the current research in the field is extensive and fruitful. But the point remains, (snark) the first DNA was seeded on Earth by space aliens, or created by Allah, Maybe Vishnu or perhaps by a formidable, unionized consortium of gods.
6.5) Humans evolved from Apelike ancestors. The evolution of all living things since that original DNA is established scientific fact.
Utter hogwash! The myths of abiogenesis and evolution are solely predicated on the metaphysical presupposition of naturalism/materialism, the atheist's religion, which is neither logically nor scientifically verifiable. The naturalist/materialist begs the question, unwittingly assumes his conclusion in his premise, and calls his religious convictions science.
In the meantime. . . .
Abiogenesis: The Unholy Grail of Atheism
I wrote it, and it's predicated on prevailing science. But you won't read it or directly refute it. That's not your style, Hollie. You just spout ad hominem and slogans in the face of the rational and empirical evidence that falsifies the tenets of your religion. You're a fanatic, a broken record, a smile and a shoeshine, all hat and no cattle, more at, all mouth and no common sense. You don't know or really understand squat about the pertinent biochemistry anymore than you grasp the metaphysical nature of your assumptions. You're a mindless denizen of scientism, a total phony.
LOL!
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Can you identify which of the sciences support a 6,000 year old planet, men living to be 900 years old, Arks embarking on pleasure cruises, talking snakes, men rising from the dead?
Thanks,
Thanks, again.
Wouldn't he also be the very essence of badness, assuming he is the creator of all things?By definition he would be the very essence of goodness, so, yes, he cares about your well-being.
How life began is not addressed by biological evolution. I’m surprised you didn’t learn such things beginning in grade school.It's an observable phenomenon that doesn't even come close to explaining where life began or why it struggles to survive and reproduce.Is biological evolution not a fact?
Wouldn't he also be the very essence of badness, assuming he is the creator of all things?By definition he would be the very essence of goodness, so, yes, he cares about your well-being.
Why would he be the Creator of all things? Think about that very carefully before you answer.
How life began is not addressed by biological evolution. I’m surprised you didn’t learn such things beginning in grade school.It's an observable phenomenon that doesn't even come close to explaining where life began or why it struggles to survive and reproduce.Is biological evolution not a fact?
The term “fitness for survival” represents an entire body of knowledge about survival and reproduction. This also is something you have been exposed to in grade school.
I never said it was, liar. As usual, you're just making things up.
Wouldn't he also be the very essence of badness, assuming he is the creator of all things?By definition he would be the very essence of goodness, so, yes, he cares about your well-being.
Why would he be the Creator of all things? Think about that very carefully before you answer.
Shiva is personified as male. The inventors of Shiva and your gods are the result of a male dominated and controlled society, thus the gods are male.
Similarly, the western portrayal of Jeebus is a tall, fair-haired, fair-skinned Caucasian looking guy. Which makes some sense as Jeebus is maintained in the image of those who are comfortable with that look,
How life began is not addressed by biological evolution. I’m surprised you didn’t learn such things beginning in grade school.It's an observable phenomenon that doesn't even come close to explaining where life began or why it struggles to survive and reproduce.Is biological evolution not a fact?
The term “fitness for survival” represents an entire body of knowledge about survival and reproduction. This also is something you have been exposed to in grade school.
Just like your gods. One of three pick and choose gods. Just a modification of gods that existed before your gods.Wouldn't he also be the very essence of badness, assuming he is the creator of all things?By definition he would be the very essence of goodness, so, yes, he cares about your well-being.
Why would he be the Creator of all things? Think about that very carefully before you answer.
Shiva is personified as male. The inventors of Shiva and your gods are the result of a male dominated and controlled society, thus the gods are male.
Similarly, the western portrayal of Jeebus is a tall, fair-haired, fair-skinned Caucasian looking guy. Which makes some sense as Jeebus is maintained in the image of those who are comfortable with that look,
Shiva and Jeebus are putatively created beings, you dunce, just like your god, namely, yourself. LOL!
It's an observable phenomenon that doesn't even come close to explaining where life began or why it struggles to survive and reproduce.Is biological evolution not a fact?
.Does he care about my well being?He would by definition know all things.
By definition he would be the very essence of goodness, so, yes, he cares about your well-being.
.By definitionhe(they) would be the very essence of goodness, so, yes,he(they) caresabout your well-being.
Why wouldn't he be? It seems to me that people arbitrarily assign whatever powers they'd like to their idea of "God", the most common being the omniscient and omnipotent creator of heaven and earth.Why would he be the Creator of all things? Think about that very carefully before you answer.