Gruber while writing Obamacare: "It definitely won't be affordable, we'll have to deny treatment."

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What conservatives have known all along, it turns out liberals had quietly admitted too, even as they were preparing to impose Obamacare on their subjects.

Obamacare is starting to exceed even Social Security as the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

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Gruber In 2009 Obamacare Will NOT Be Affordable The Daily Caller

President Obama’s health care adviser Jonathan Gruber said that the Affordable Care Act would definitely not be affordable while he was writing the bill with the White House.

As Gruber continues to withhold documents while he awaits a call-back for more testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in the new year, more shocking information is coming to light detailing the deceptions that went into the writing of the health-care law.

Gruber said that Obamacare had no cost controls in it and would not be affordable in an October 2009 policy brief, presented here exclusively by TheDC. At the time, Gruber had already personally counseled Obama in the Oval Office and served on Obama’s presidential transition team. Obama, meanwhile, told the American people that their premiums would go down dramatically.

“The problem is it starts to go hand in hand with the mandate; you can’t mandate insurance that’s not affordable. This is going to be a major issue,” Gruber admitted in an October 2, 2009 lecture, the transcript of which comprised the policy brief.

“So what’s different this time? Why are we closer than we’ve ever been before? Because there are no cost controls in these proposals. Because this bill’s about coverage. Which is good! Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don’t yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let’s get the people covered and then let’s do cost control.” (That's like building an ocean liner, forcing people to get aboard, launching it and aiming it straight at an iceberg at full speed, and only then starting to design the steering controls that might enable it to avoid a collision and sinking.- LA.)

Gruber also said that the only way to control costs is to effectively deny treatment.

“The real substance of cost control is all about a single thing: telling patients they can’t have something they want. It’s about telling patients, ‘That surgery doesn’t do any good, so if you want it you have to pay the full cost.’ ”
 
Could the liberals ever have managed to impose their schemes on the American people, without the mainstream media carefully concealing what the people writing the program were actually saying about it? Instead of doing their jobs and reporting it?
 
Obama and Pelosi don't even know who that guy is.
Riiiiight.

After working with him extensively in 2009-2010, lauding him in their speeches, and paying him millions of dollars, they ran like rabbits when he started telling the truth about their cherished programs.

Now they very carefully "don't know who that guy is". :rolleyes-41:
 
Obama and Pelosi don't even know who that guy is.
Riiiiight.

After working with him extensively in 2009-2010, lauding him in their speeches, and paying him millions of dollars, they ran like rabbits when he started telling the truth about their cherished programs.

Now they very carefully "don't know who that guy is". :rolleyes-41:
He made uninformed and glib comments. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
 
Money doesn't grow on tress and we can't afford to let Grandpa live for an extra month at a mil just so you don't have to say goodbye. See ya, Gramps, we have bridges and potholes to fix.
 
Obama and Pelosi don't even know who that guy is.
Riiiiight.

After working with him extensively in 2009-2010, lauding him in their speeches, and paying him millions of dollars, they ran like rabbits when he started telling the truth about their cherished programs.

Now they very carefully "don't know who that guy is". :rolleyes-41:
He made uninformed and glib comments. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
He made very well-informed and truthful comments.

He wrote the program.

Wow, the liberals are coming up with laughably transparent lies, so desperate are they to disavow the architect of Obamacare telling people what he wrote and how he and his party lied to the American people to promote it.
 
What conservatives have known all along, it turns out liberals had quietly admitted too, even as they were preparing to impose Obamacare on their subjects.

Obamacare is starting to exceed even Social Security as the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

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Gruber In 2009 Obamacare Will NOT Be Affordable The Daily Caller

President Obama’s health care adviser Jonathan Gruber said that the Affordable Care Act would definitely not be affordable while he was writing the bill with the White House.

As Gruber continues to withhold documents while he awaits a call-back for more testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in the new year, more shocking information is coming to light detailing the deceptions that went into the writing of the health-care law.

Gruber said that Obamacare had no cost controls in it and would not be affordable in an October 2009 policy brief, presented here exclusively by TheDC. At the time, Gruber had already personally counseled Obama in the Oval Office and served on Obama’s presidential transition team. Obama, meanwhile, told the American people that their premiums would go down dramatically.

“The problem is it starts to go hand in hand with the mandate; you can’t mandate insurance that’s not affordable. This is going to be a major issue,” Gruber admitted in an October 2, 2009 lecture, the transcript of which comprised the policy brief.

“So what’s different this time? Why are we closer than we’ve ever been before? Because there are no cost controls in these proposals. Because this bill’s about coverage. Which is good! Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don’t yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let’s get the people covered and then let’s do cost control.” (That's like building an ocean liner, forcing people to get aboard, launching it and aiming it straight at an iceberg at full speed, and only then starting to design the steering controls that might enable it to avoid a collision and sinking.- LA.)

Gruber also said that the only way to control costs is to effectively deny treatment.

“The real substance of cost control is all about a single thing: telling patients they can’t have something they want. It’s about telling patients, ‘That surgery doesn’t do any good, so if you want it you have to pay the full cost.’ ”
 
Gruber is not adding anything new. We all knew Obamacare was a fucking disaster. We all knew every statement by the administration and the Democrats on the topic was a lie. Every single one. Yes, there are death panels. Yes, it will bloat the federal deficit. Yes it will result in fewer insured people and higher costs all over. Yes Yes Yes.
Yes We Can Deceive Most of The People Most of the Time.
 
Obama and Pelosi don't even know who that guy is.
Riiiiight.

After working with him extensively in 2009-2010, lauding him in their speeches, and paying him millions of dollars, they ran like rabbits when he started telling the truth about their cherished programs.

Now they very carefully "don't know who that guy is". :rolleyes-41:
He made uninformed and glib comments. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
He made very well-informed and truthful comments.

He wrote the program.

Wow, the liberals are coming up with laughably transparent lies, so desperate are they to disavow the architect of Obamacare telling people what he wrote and how he and his party lied to the American people to promote it.
It will be interesting to see how things develop. There will have to be some serious tap-dancing to make this sensible.
 
It will be interesting to see how things develop. There will have to be some serious tap-dancing to make this sensible.
The only thing that will "make this sensible", is the Democrats telling the truth. Something they are absolutely not going to do - why break the 80-year tradition of lying to the American people about what they intend to impose on us?

Gruber being the rare exception, and he didn't know normal people were listening.
 
It will be interesting to see how things develop. There will have to be some serious tap-dancing to make this sensible.
The only thing that will "make this sensible", is the Democrats telling the truth. Something they are absolutely not going to do - why break the 80-year tradition of lying to the American people about what they intend to impose on us?

Gruber being the rare exception, and he didn't know normal people were listening.
I won't go so far as that, but they CAN'T admit the truth, which is that they knew it was a scam the entire time.

They either have to admit they knew, or else that they are completely incompetent and had no idea that their own plan was unworkable.
 
Money doesn't grow on tress and we can't afford to let Grandpa live for an extra month at a mil just so you don't have to say goodbye. See ya, Gramps, we have bridges and potholes to fix.
Grandpa will come over and kick your flimsy ass.
Grandpa is dead little buddy. He ran out of time, and we ran out of money. That's life on this rock.
 
Perhaps true in your pathetic family. Our family has vigorous health loving grandparents. Additionally, every month they live, the grandkids are enriched spiritually and materially. They are a valuable investment in the future.
 
What conservatives have known all along, it turns out liberals had quietly admitted too, even as they were preparing to impose Obamacare on their subjects.

Obamacare is starting to exceed even Social Security as the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

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Gruber In 2009 Obamacare Will NOT Be Affordable The Daily Caller

President Obama’s health care adviser Jonathan Gruber said that the Affordable Care Act would definitely not be affordable while he was writing the bill with the White House.

As Gruber continues to withhold documents while he awaits a call-back for more testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in the new year, more shocking information is coming to light detailing the deceptions that went into the writing of the health-care law.

Gruber said that Obamacare had no cost controls in it and would not be affordable in an October 2009 policy brief, presented here exclusively by TheDC. At the time, Gruber had already personally counseled Obama in the Oval Office and served on Obama’s presidential transition team. Obama, meanwhile, told the American people that their premiums would go down dramatically.

“The problem is it starts to go hand in hand with the mandate; you can’t mandate insurance that’s not affordable. This is going to be a major issue,” Gruber admitted in an October 2, 2009 lecture, the transcript of which comprised the policy brief.

“So what’s different this time? Why are we closer than we’ve ever been before? Because there are no cost controls in these proposals. Because this bill’s about coverage. Which is good! Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don’t yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let’s get the people covered and then let’s do cost control.” (That's like building an ocean liner, forcing people to get aboard, launching it and aiming it straight at an iceberg at full speed, and only then starting to design the steering controls that might enable it to avoid a collision and sinking.- LA.)

Gruber also said that the only way to control costs is to effectively deny treatment.

“The real substance of cost control is all about a single thing: telling patients they can’t have something they want. It’s about telling patients, ‘That surgery doesn’t do any good, so if you want it you have to pay the full cost.’ ”

Thus Gruber admits the bill contains Death Panels.
 
What conservatives have known all along, it turns out liberals had quietly admitted too, even as they were preparing to impose Obamacare on their subjects.

Obamacare is starting to exceed even Social Security as the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

---------------------------------------------------

Gruber In 2009 Obamacare Will NOT Be Affordable The Daily Caller

President Obama’s health care adviser Jonathan Gruber said that the Affordable Care Act would definitely not be affordable while he was writing the bill with the White House.

As Gruber continues to withhold documents while he awaits a call-back for more testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in the new year, more shocking information is coming to light detailing the deceptions that went into the writing of the health-care law.

Gruber said that Obamacare had no cost controls in it and would not be affordable in an October 2009 policy brief, presented here exclusively by TheDC. At the time, Gruber had already personally counseled Obama in the Oval Office and served on Obama’s presidential transition team. Obama, meanwhile, told the American people that their premiums would go down dramatically.

“The problem is it starts to go hand in hand with the mandate; you can’t mandate insurance that’s not affordable. This is going to be a major issue,” Gruber admitted in an October 2, 2009 lecture, the transcript of which comprised the policy brief.

“So what’s different this time? Why are we closer than we’ve ever been before? Because there are no cost controls in these proposals. Because this bill’s about coverage. Which is good! Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don’t yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let’s get the people covered and then let’s do cost control.” (That's like building an ocean liner, forcing people to get aboard, launching it and aiming it straight at an iceberg at full speed, and only then starting to design the steering controls that might enable it to avoid a collision and sinking.- LA.)

Gruber also said that the only way to control costs is to effectively deny treatment.

“The real substance of cost control is all about a single thing: telling patients they can’t have something they want. It’s about telling patients, ‘That surgery doesn’t do any good, so if you want it you have to pay the full cost.’ ”




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