growing Islamophobia

[Picaro]

You didn't even bother to read it?

Rape is condoned in a number of parts of the bible and even called for as part of the rewards (or vengeance) of war. Your Lord has some serious anger management issues

It's there but no one today follows it - just like we don't stone people for adultry in civilized countries. Christianity and Judaism have moved beyond literal interpretations of their holy scriptures.

Yeah I read it, didn't see anything with real references. All I saw was inferences. There's a difference, believe it or not.

So link to bible verses condoning rape=-? Book, chapter, and verse, please.

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

So for people to bring The Bible into this is completely ridiculous. Also most Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologists are Athiests or just straight up God Haters, this is why they always have to bring The Bible and Christians into their deflection away from their love in with Islam, it's their favourite deflection and they're crap at it, they are crap at deflection in general.

It's not ridiculous, and here is why.

The argument made against Muslims is that the religion as a whole is "evil" and full of violence because it's so in the Quran. The implication is that this can never change. Yet, Christians don't follow the violent passages. In fact, neither do many Muslims.

Yeah, you still didn't point out the rape condonation in the Bible, and the Quran says to kill the kafir where you find them, or make them submit and pay the jizyah. I'm not saying that there aren't good Muslim people, I'm saying the doctrine is evil to the core.

It says so in the quran.

I mentioned all of that in the Manchester suicide bombing thread and the same crowd that's in this thread had the identical reaction they have in this thread.

Unlike most of them, I've read The Qur'an.

Indeed. I have the Picthall translation, one of the best. As for the the usual Islamo-Nazi apologists and their stupid anecdotal gibberish, here is a list of polls that pretty much proves the idea that 'most Muslims are moderates n stuff' is just hogwash, and demonstrates why they are incompatible with any culture, even their own.

Polls of Islamic Beliefs Made Over Several Years

Haven't updated it in a few months, but the links are there for that.

 

[Pogo]

And statistically, how many Muslims died DEFENDING westerners from Islamic extremists? As apposed to just ether minimizing it or justifying it?

Statistically, I doubt anyone has those statistics. Does that matter? But it occurs to me there are a great many out in Iraq and Afghanistan providing support and protection to US servicemembers trying to oust extremists.

Speaking of minimizing and justifying, thank you for providing a good example.

I don't know the statistics either, but I bet it's few and far between. Anyone have any proven instances of Muslims protecting non Muslims and freedom of religion? I am sure it's daunting if not nearly impossible. But it dosen't take away from the far larger picture of hate and atrocities Muslims have committed.

I think you don't hear about it as much because it doesn't make the news, for one (no blood, gore, yada yada) and because you aren't interested enough to look for it.

These are some recent examples:
Muslim youth take initiative to guard churches as Easter celebrated
Egyptian priest praises Muslim support of threatened Christians
This Egyptian Muslim Woman Died Defending Christians On Palm Sunday | HuffPost
Pakistani Muslims Form Human Chain To Protect Christians During Mass (PHOTOS) | HuffPost
Editorial: When Muslims protect Christians
The World’s Biggest Muslim Organization Wants to Protect Christians
Protecting Christian presence an obligation for Muslims, too — Theophilos
Muslim Youth Protect Jordan’s Churches on Easter in Solidarity

Why does this receive so little attention?

We'll never hear much about positive news because positive news doesn't sell. The public just doesn't "buy" stories of peacekeeping because it lacks the blood and bullets and degradation that sells papers, simple as that. We might say "blessèd are the peacemakers, for they will get no press".

Not that that will stop a bigot and/or fallacist from contriving the absence of it on the basis of "if I haven't heard of it, it doesn't exist".

There's something profoundly arrogant about spewing a torrent of hateful made-up premises and then sitting back and demanding the object of their fury must do something about it.

 

[MaryL]

All Muslims?
Gays in the US get beaten harassed and killed in some cases....why all Americans are homophobes?!!

Wrong. You are an ignorant, willfully stupid, bigot.

Do you think it's "Cool" when Muslims throw Gays off of roof tops?

The U.S.A doesn't treat Gays like many Muslim nations do.

Such a comparison is ridiculous.

Are all egalitarians sub-Humans? Why do they seem to have trouble with basic concepts like proportions?

Many Muslim nations are backwards when it comes to human rights, equality, gay rights, but then so are non-Muslim nations in Africa for example or, Russia with it's latest anti-gay legislation.

On the other hand - many Muslims in western countries, such as the US have similar views towards gays as the other religious groups. Perhaps culture more than religion is the more important factor.

Matthew Shepard.

A drug dealer killed because he cheated his fellow druggies. One of those weird little things that media doesn't want to own up to, not the new age homosexual mythic figure he was made out to be. Mathew Sheppard. Yes, it's like that. he died at the hands of druggies they were gay too. But, let's make him out to be a new age Saint Sebastian. I don't think so. Saint Sebastian wasn't tied to a post by his pissed off drug addled lovers, either.

 

[Picaro]

Unlike most of them, I've read The Qur'an.

How much of it? Because it seriously looks like to me you're cherrypicking what you want out of the Qur'an instead.

When you've read it get back to us; somehow we know you're just a sicko who isn't actually interested in actually knowing what you're talking about and just sucking ass to please your little peer group. 'Moderate Muslims' rarely turn in their bomber heroes, and wouldn't lift a finger to stop them from taking over a western country, so nobody needs to care about offending them any more than they need concern themselves with their opinions.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

There are multiple sections in The Qur'an where Mohammed tells them to put The Infidels to the sword, among other things.

"Sections"

So what does the rest of the Qur'an say?

What a stupid question.

In the Manchester suicide bombing thread I told you TWICE to buy The Qur'an and The Hadith and read them....educate yourself.

What a stupid response:

"So what does the rest of the Qur'an say?"

Do you know how many pages are in The Qur'an? No of course you don't, you expect people to post every page of it to show you what the rest says? Buy it and read it yourself.

And buy The Hadith.

Volume 1 to Volume 5.

 

[Picaro]

All Muslims?
Gays in the US get beaten harassed and killed in some cases....why all Americans are homophobes?!!

Do you think it's "Cool" when Muslims throw Gays off of roof tops?

The U.S.A doesn't treat Gays like many Muslim nations do.

Such a comparison is ridiculous.

Are all egalitarians sub-Humans? Why do they seem to have trouble with basic concepts like proportions?

Many Muslim nations are backwards when it comes to human rights, equality, gay rights, but then so are non-Muslim nations in Africa for example or, Russia with it's latest anti-gay legislation.

On the other hand - many Muslims in western countries, such as the US have similar views towards gays as the other religious groups. Perhaps culture more than religion is the more important factor.

Matthew Shepard.

A drug dealer killed because he cheated his fellow druggies. One of those weird little things that media don't want to own up to, not the new age homosexual mythic figure he was made out to be. Mathew Sheppard. Yes, it's like that,

And let's not forget his two arrests as a 16 year old involving molesting two 8 year old boys. The reason his fellow homosexual gangbang buddies didn't get the death penalty is because Mathew The Martyr's parents didn't want those to become public in the sentencing phase of a death penalty case.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I'm more concerned with preservation of the American way life, myself.


Some of that may include hog farming.

And bacon


And **** Muslims, if they have a problem with that.

GTFO> Or..We do have pigs.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Unlike most of them, I've read The Qur'an.

How much of it? Because it seriously looks like to me you're cherrypicking what you want out of the Qur'an instead.

When you've read it get back to us; somehow we know you're just a sicko who isn't actually interested in actually knowing what you're talking about and just sucking ass to please your little peer group.

Hahahahahahahaaaa!

Are you addressing me?

Because the real sickos seem to be those calling for mass extermination of an entire religion, and or calling for their repression. Please, don't lecture me. And don't call yourself a freedom loving conservative either. Because you aren't.

I let knowledge and logic drive my responses, not emotions.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Do you know how many pages are in The Qur'an? No of course you don't, you expect people to post every page of it to show you what the rest says? Buy it and read it yourself.

So you haven't read the whole of the Islamic texts, have you? This might as well be an admission if there ever was one.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In the Manchester suicide bombing thread I told you TWICE to buy The Qur'an and The Hadith and read them....educate yourself.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[jasonnfree]

Damn, islam has so many defenders on this board I wonder how many are applying to go live in some of those islamic countries. Anyone?......

 

[Pogo]

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Whelp --- this is exactly why we try to control the hatemongers on this site as well. Here, two of us have been slaughtered for standing up against such bigotry.

"Us?" Who is us?

Time to assess where you're going with this, doncha think haters?

What do you mean by "hatemongers?" Specifically who are you referring to? Please provide a specific example of the hatemongering you are talking about.

And what do you mean by "control?" Control what? Are you talking about restricting free expression?

Sure, thanks.

"Us" means those of us who keep cooler heads while the emotionally unhinged venture forth with their unhingement --- such as the perpetrator in this story. Three bystanders who tried to keep those cooler heads and keep the peace were stabbed by the assailant, two fatally. That's what "two of us have been slaughtered" refers to -- Ricky Best and Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche.

And then "hatemongers" refers to the readers right here on this site who spew the same kind of vitriol that Jeremy Christian did. For example Marion Morrison who, in the thread about the Manchester bombing, posted "the solution is simple -- nuke Mecca". Even though the perp there had nothing to do with "Mecca" or Saudi Arabia--- and nor did anyone there, let alone the entire city he would vaporize, have anything to do with the bombing. Kind of like your bank swindles you so in retaliation you go kill your next door neighbor. That kind of unhingement.

Finally by "control" I mean back to number one --- putting out those flames of irrational hatred. Such as the three Samaritans on the train tried to do, or in the context of this board, deconstructing the fallacies that lead to the same hate.

I saw this story (the post you quoted was my original OP before threads got merged) as a glaring example of what the pattern those people are blindly following leads to. Jeremy Christian was in the same place before the event. I also pointed out later that John Houser, who a couple of years ago went into a Lafayette (LA) movie theater and started shooting people, had been a poster here.

It's important to connect dots. When someone's flashing all kinds of warning signs about where their head's at, it's best to pay attention. And if possible get them out of that place before it's too late.

Too bad somebody couldn't do that with Jeremy Christian don't you think?

Oh! Had nothing to do with Islam aye? Au Contraire, mon frer. [sic]

Actually it's frère, and you ain't in any universe my brother. But you are a consummate liar. I posted had nothing to do with "Mecca" or Saudi Arabia--- and nor did anyone there, let alone the entire city he would vaporize, have anything to do with the bombing and you, the dishonest hack, proceed to completely misrepresent the words right here on this page.

**** you and everybody who lies like you.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Damn, islam has so many defenders on this board I wonder how many are applying to go live in some of those Islamic countries. Anyone?......

Am I defending Islam? Yeah, I kind of am. Even though I don't worship it or practice it, I recognize the same patterns in Islam that were in Christianity centuries ago.

 

[WEATHER53]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

The fundamentalists do.

Those freaks at Westboro Baptist Church do for example. They are what we would call our extremists, Christian in name only. They are not indicative of the proclivities of all of Christianity.

So, why wouldn't that also be true for Islam?

Bringing another of the favourite deflections in The Westboro Baptist Church.

"So, why wouldn't that also be true for Islam?"

With Islam it's the opposite, there is no such thing as Moderate Islam, there are no Moderate Muslims, they adhere to the same Qur'an, they all follow the same teachings of Mohammed.

I have read the whole thread I have no intention of, but I'm sure we've had:

But but but what about Timothy McVeigh?

But but but what about The Unibomber?

If Westboro church was blowing people up and promising more the people and laws of the USA would have shut them down after day 1
What can't Muslims police their own?
Answer-they don't want to
It's easier to rail at Americans as bigots over the sins of seeking to stay alive and correctly identifying the perpetrators
There is some bad stuff in the old Testament. No one even reads it. The New Testament is our bible and nowhere does it state convert the infidel
Non Christain or kill him
Plain pure and simple facts but libs need emotions and not facts to exist
Islam is inclined to barbarism and most choose to not follow it literally, enough do that we have a world wide dillema that is being denied or ignored by far too many Muslims many of whom try to put the blame on the USA and it's people

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Do you know how many pages are in The Qur'an? No of course you don't, you expect people to post every page of it to show you what the rest says? Buy it and read it yourself.

So you haven't read the whole of the Islamic texts, have you? This might as well be an admission if there ever was one.

I have repeatedly told you I have read The Qur'an and The Hadith.

Buy them and you also read them, or do you have reading comprehension problems, you obviously do, you have illustrated you do in this thread.

Troll somewhere else.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

In the Manchester suicide bombing thread I told you TWICE to buy The Qur'an and The Hadith and read them....educate yourself.

Be careful what you wish for.

Take it somewhere else Troll.

 

[Marion Morrison]

[...]
Whelp --- this is exactly why we try to control the hatemongers on this site as well. Here, two of us have been slaughtered for standing up against such bigotry.

"Us?" Who is us?

Time to assess where you're going with this, doncha think haters?

What do you mean by "hatemongers?" Specifically who are you referring to? Please provide a specific example of the hatemongering you are talking about.

And what do you mean by "control?" Control what? Are you talking about restricting free expression?

Sure, thanks.

"Us" means those of us who keep cooler heads while the emotionally unhinged venture forth with their unhingement --- such as the perpetrator in this story. Three bystanders who tried to keep those cooler heads and keep the peace were stabbed by the assailant, two fatally. That's what "two of us have been slaughtered" refers to -- Ricky Best and Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche.

And then "hatemongers" refers to the readers right here on this site who spew the same kind of vitriol that Jeremy Christian did. For example Marion Morrison who, in the thread about the Manchester bombing, posted "the solution is simple -- nuke Mecca". Even though the perp there had nothing to do with "Mecca" or Saudi Arabia--- and nor did anyone there, let alone the entire city he would vaporize, have anything to do with the bombing. Kind of like your bank swindles you so in retaliation you go kill your next door neighbor. That kind of unhingement.

Finally by "control" I mean back to number one --- putting out those flames of irrational hatred. Such as the three Samaritans on the train tried to do, or in the context of this board, deconstructing the fallacies that lead to the same hate.

I saw this story (the post you quoted was my original OP before threads got merged) as a glaring example of what the pattern those people are blindly following leads to. Jeremy Christian was in the same place before the event. I also pointed out later that John Houser, who a couple of years ago went into a Lafayette (LA) movie theater and started shooting people, had been a poster here.

It's important to connect dots. When someone's flashing all kinds of warning signs about where their head's at, it's best to pay attention. And if possible get them out of that place before it's too late.

Too bad somebody couldn't do that with Jeremy Christian don't you think?

Oh! Had nothing to do with Islam aye? Au Contraire, mon frer. [sic]

Actually it's frère, and you ain't in any universe my brother. But you are a consummate liar. I posted had nothing to do with "Mecca" or Saudi Arabia--- and nor did anyone there, let alone the entire city he would vaporize, have anything to do with the bombing and you, the dishonest hack, proceed to completely misrepresent the words right here on this page.

**** you and everybody who lies like you.

Pogo, you're such a piece of shit, I hope karma catches with you sooner rather than later.

I rest assured, knowing it will eventually no matter what.

 

[Pogo]

Once again we see a lot of The Usual Suspects, along with the usual Trolls and the Mental Midgets in tow again all falling over themselves and dribbling to see which can Praise ******* Allah the most and lick Islams filthy buttocks.

Wow, hope there's a video of that.

Link?

Yeah I know, same (non)answer as before..... getting old.

Disgusting display again, the slaughtered children and teenagers of Manchester, England are still in the mortuary and another disgraceful Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologist Cheerleading is started.

Relevance AND link?

I don't give a crap if some Muslims get beaten up, tough, share your Play Doh with them.

I guess reading is a challenge for you but in this event one bad guy attacked three good guys, two of them fatally. Out of those four, zero were as far as we know Muslims. Nor is it even relevant what their various religions are/were.

 

[Picaro]

Hahahahahahahaaaa!

Are you addressing me?

No, I'm handing you your silly little gay ass to you.

Because the real sickos seem to be those calling for mass extermination of an entire religion, and or calling for their repression.

Yeah right you're some big giant 'freedom fighter n stuff', we know this because you said so, right? Any tard who thinks political ideologies like Islam shouldn't ge repressed is a sociopath and idiot. Your peer group loves you for staying the herd. Congratulations.

Please, don't lecture me.

You aren't being 'lectured', you're being called what you are, a scumbag apologist for a political ideology that makes Nazis look like choir boys. You can pretend the trash is a 'religion' if you want, doesn't obligate anybody else to pretend it is.

And don't call yourself a freedom loving conservative either. Because you aren't.

I never have claimed to be a conservative, I'm a freedom loving Liberal, which is why I'm all for expelling you and your friends from my country.

I let knowledge and logic drive my responses, not emotions.

lol lol lol yeah sure you do ... you don't even know what knowledge and logic is.

 

[Pogo]

In the Manchester suicide bombing thread I told you TWICE to buy The Qur'an and The Hadith and read them....educate yourself.

Be careful what you wish for.

Take it somewhere else Troll.

He called your bluff, as we say in English. You lost.