growing Islamophobia

[Pogo]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

Link?

 

[Pogo]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

The fundamentalists do.

Those freaks at Westboro Baptist Church do for example. They are what we would call our extremists, Christian in name only. They are not indicative of the proclivities of all of Christianity.

So, why wouldn't that also be true for Islam?

Zackly. And for a better comparator using perps who do engage in violence we could add Eric Rudolph and all the various abortion bombers/shooters, as well as the Klan. They all claim to act on the basis of their Christianism.

What they don't get is that Association Fallacy is still a fallacy. David Duke is a Republican --- by the Association Fallacy logic, therefore all Republicans must be Klan racists. Doesn't work. Just because Adolf Hitler claims to be Catholic doesn't in any way mean therefore the Vatican is giving him his orders.

Kinda boggles the mind that they can't figure this out.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

The fundamentalists do.

Those freaks at Westboro Baptist Church do for example. They are what we would call our extremists, Christian in name only. They are not indicative of the proclivities of all of Christianity.

So, why wouldn't that also be true for Islam?

Bringing another of the favourite deflections in The Westboro Baptist Church.

"So, why wouldn't that also be true for Islam?"

With Islam it's the opposite, there is no such thing as Moderate Islam, there are no Moderate Muslims, they adhere to the same Qur'an, they all follow the same teachings of Mohammed.

I have read the whole thread I have no intention of, but I'm sure we've had:

But but but what about Timothy McVeigh?

But but but what about The Unibomber?

 

[Coyote]

Such as? Is that the current biblical prescription for today?

Where in the bible does it support rape?

I've read it through 3x. Never seen that.

God, the Bible, and Rape | HuffPost

Seriously? You link to a Huffington Post article? FAIL!

You must come better than that to be convincing.

You didn't even bother to read it?

Rape is condoned in a number of parts of the bible and even called for as part of the rewards (or vengeance) of war. Your Lord has some serious anger management issues

It's there but no one today follows it - just like we don't stone people for adultry in civilized countries. Christianity and Judaism have moved beyond literal interpretations of their holy scriptures.

Yeah I read it, didn't see anything with real references. All I saw was inferences. There's a difference, believe it or not.

So link to bible verses condoning rape=-? Book, chapter, and verse, please.

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

So for people to bring The Bible into this is completely ridiculous. Also most Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologists are Athiests or just straight up God Haters, this is why they always have to bring The Bible and Christians into their deflection away from their love in with Islam, it's their favourite deflection and they're crap at it, they are crap at deflection in general.

It's not ridiculous, and here is why.

The argument made against Muslims is that the religion as a whole is "evil" and full of violence because it's so in the Quran. The implication is that this can never change. Yet, Christians don't follow the violent passages. In fact, neither do many Muslims.

 

[Pogo]

How many bigots here that voted for Trump, are disappointed how he loves dealing with Muslims, visit their countries still letting them in, and wishing them a happy Ramadan.

1. Your race card is noted, and rejected. Please consider it ridiculed as well.

I'm amazed there's still one guy who thinks "Muslim" is a race. SMH

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

Link?

Don't pull that crap ogo.

There are multiple sections in The Qur'an where Mohammed tells them to put The Infidels to the sword, among other things.

Are you even paying attention to what the Islamists are doing on a daily basis and have been for more than a decade?

 

[Pogo]

All of these tards are ignorant of the fact that the vast majority of the victims of terrorism are Muslims.

Spot-on point, one that continues to undermine the comic-book fantasy.

Unfortunately we're dealing with denialists. When their premise is proven to be bullshit their response is

Retards. Cowering on the floor, shitting their pants.

Ah, I see you've met Ted Nugent.

 

[Pogo]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

Link?

Don't pull that crap ogo.

There are multiple sections in The Qur'an where Mohammed tells them to put The Infidels to the sword, among other things.

Are you even paying attention to what the Islamists are doing on a daily basis and have been for more than a decade?

So you have no link. You're making it up.

This is exactly the problem --- people making shit up and then thinking it's real.

 

[MaryL]

"Way ahead...did you know that most European countries benefited from Muslim migration?"

Horsecrap Ahmed.

Where are you getting this from you Moroccan Camel Jockey, you're in California, California is nowhere near Europa.

Why insult him? He's being civil.

I have a right to insult those who insult my intelligence. Period.

You do have a right to insult, it is free speech. But insults are not a sign of intelligence. So, without trying to sound rude, how can you repay stupidity with stupidity?

I don't often insult people, I'm not an attack poster Coyote tell Etherion that I'm not prone to insulting people.

Some issues get people passionate, the Anti-Islamisation of The West side are as committed and as strong in our opinion as the Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologist Cheerleaders are in theirs.

Neither side is going to blink in this, it's impossible to even find some common ground, it'll come to blood and guts just like it has many times in the past.

Wow. That last sentence was very depressing.

Anyway, people are sacrificing rationality for passion in threads like this one. Hence why you see what you see. I'm one of those posters who likes to use the Judo concept of using the momentum of an opponent against them. In this case, their passion and emotion. So if someone starts using insults or emotional arguments against me, I let that speak for itself. I take advantage of it. I thought it better to be the bigger and wiser person in a discussion. True intelligence comes from self restraint, not from instant retaliation. True intelligence is taking advantage of your opponent's flaws without revealing yours. Four years ago I was prone to the same behavior and nearly got myself banned.

And as an aside I really hope we can settle down and not come to blows over this. I genuinely find some of these "nuke them all" posts to be very disturbing. The depths to which hatred can drive someone seems to be boundless.

I concur. Goodnight AND joy be to you all.

 

[TemplarKormac]

With Islam it's the opposite, there is no such thing as Moderate Islam, there are no Moderate Muslims, they adhere to the same Qur'an, they all follow the same teachings of Mohammed.

So, how would you know such a thing? Your arguments are becoming more and more presumptuous. How many Muslims have you ever met? I've run into a few, and was/is friends with a couple. One is from Egypt, the other was gay and moved to Toronto, Canada from Saudi Arabia to flee persecution of his sexual affiliation, and all be it a Muslim at the same time. Neither of them believed what you say all Muslims believe.

This attitude is stereotypical. You can read the Hadith and the Qur'an until you're blue in the face, that doesn't make you an expert on the faith. I've made this same argument to atheists who use the Bible as a weapon against Christians.

 

[Marion Morrison]

God, the Bible, and Rape | HuffPost

Seriously? You link to a Huffington Post article? FAIL!

You must come better than that to be convincing.

You didn't even bother to read it?

Rape is condoned in a number of parts of the bible and even called for as part of the rewards (or vengeance) of war. Your Lord has some serious anger management issues

It's there but no one today follows it - just like we don't stone people for adultry in civilized countries. Christianity and Judaism have moved beyond literal interpretations of their holy scriptures.

Yeah I read it, didn't see anything with real references. All I saw was inferences. There's a difference, believe it or not.

So link to bible verses condoning rape=-? Book, chapter, and verse, please.

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

So for people to bring The Bible into this is completely ridiculous. Also most Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologists are Athiests or just straight up God Haters, this is why they always have to bring The Bible and Christians into their deflection away from their love in with Islam, it's their favourite deflection and they're crap at it, they are crap at deflection in general.

It's not ridiculous, and here is why.

The argument made against Muslims is that the religion as a whole is "evil" and full of violence because it's so in the Quran. The implication is that this can never change. Yet, Christians don't follow the violent passages. In fact, neither do many Muslims.

Yeah, you still didn't point out the rape condonation in the Bible, and the Quran says to kill the kafir where you find them, or make them submit and pay the jizyah. I'm not saying that there aren't good Muslim people, I'm saying the doctrine is evil to the core.

It says so in the quran. <hint> That's what Muslims follow.

A religion founded by a pedophile warmongering rapist with a world domination plan, what could go wrong?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

Link?

Don't pull that crap ogo.

There are multiple sections in The Qur'an where Mohammed tells them to put The Infidels to the sword, among other things.

Are you even paying attention to what the Islamists are doing on a daily basis and have been for more than a decade?

So you have no link. You're making it up.

This is exactly the problem --- people making shit up and then thinking it's real.

Not I'm not making it up, read The Qur'an, I have.

Enjoy keeping your head in the sand.

 

[TemplarKormac]

There are multiple sections in The Qur'an where Mohammed tells them to put The Infidels to the sword, among other things.

"Sections"

So what does the rest of the Qur'an say?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Seriously? You link to a Huffington Post article? FAIL!

You must come better than that to be convincing.

You didn't even bother to read it?

Rape is condoned in a number of parts of the bible and even called for as part of the rewards (or vengeance) of war. Your Lord has some serious anger management issues

It's there but no one today follows it - just like we don't stone people for adultry in civilized countries. Christianity and Judaism have moved beyond literal interpretations of their holy scriptures.

Yeah I read it, didn't see anything with real references. All I saw was inferences. There's a difference, believe it or not.

So link to bible verses condoning rape=-? Book, chapter, and verse, please.

Most Christians do not take The Bible in a literal sense.

Most Muslims do take The Qur'an in a literal sense.

So for people to bring The Bible into this is completely ridiculous. Also most Leftist Pro-Islamist Apologists are Athiests or just straight up God Haters, this is why they always have to bring The Bible and Christians into their deflection away from their love in with Islam, it's their favourite deflection and they're crap at it, they are crap at deflection in general.

It's not ridiculous, and here is why.

The argument made against Muslims is that the religion as a whole is "evil" and full of violence because it's so in the Quran. The implication is that this can never change. Yet, Christians don't follow the violent passages. In fact, neither do many Muslims.

Yeah, you still didn't point out the rape condonation in the Bible, and the Quran says to kill the kafir where you find them, or make them submit and pay the jizyah. I'm not saying that there aren't good Muslim people, I'm saying the doctrine is evil to the core.

It says so in the quran.

I mentioned all of that in the Manchester suicide bombing thread and the same crowd that's in this thread had the identical reaction they have in this thread.

Unlike most of them, I've read The Qur'an.

 

[Pogo]

All Muslims?
Gays in the US get beaten harassed and killed in some cases....why all Americans are homophobes?!!

I am a rational human being, I am a rationalist. Islam is religion of the irrational. Muslims, they would kill me because of that, I know that. Islam doesn't tolerate freedom of thought. So hence, I am an Islamophobic . They would kill us all.

Wrong. You are an ignorant, willfully stupid, bigot.

Do you think it's "Cool" when Muslims throw Gays off of roof tops?

The U.S.A doesn't treat Gays like many Muslim nations do.

Such a comparison is ridiculous.

Are all egalitarians sub-Humans? Why do they seem to have trouble with basic concepts like proportions?

Many Muslim nations are backwards when it comes to human rights, equality, gay rights, but then so are non-Muslim nations in Africa for example or, Russia with it's latest anti-gay legislation.

On the other hand - many Muslims in western countries, such as the US have similar views towards gays as the other religious groups. Perhaps culture more than religion is the more important factor.

Matthew Shepard.

 

[Pogo]

Yanno if I didn't have actual experience in the real world and had to form opinions based on what I read around here, I might actually believe something like that, not knowing they were paranoid fantasies birthed out of the asses of hatemongers like Spencer/Geller.

Too late though. Been there, seen that. Long time ago.

Tell her about how paranoid US cons are.

"cons"?



Not sure I know any cons. I did know a fugitive from the law. He saved my life too. Yet another part of why I never bought into the Grand Dichotomy bag.

Your dodging in noted as an example of intellectual dishonesty and cowardice.


My point stands.




Tell her about how paranoid US cons are.

Again, your inability to explain your own point is noted as an example of an apparently addled brain.

There are no "cons" in this story unless you're speaking of Christian's prior convictions. Nobody knows what the hell you're rambling on about.

I will not dignify your Willful Obtuseness.


My point stands.




Tell her about how paranoid US cons are.

Fine, I gave you two chances to explain yourself, which is two more than you could handle. Dismissed.

 

[WEATHER53]

For the umpteenth time
We know most Islamists don't want to blow people up
We Also know that blowing people up almost always is done by those referencing Islam

You lib weepers have a problem even with that I bet

 

[Marion Morrison]

All Muslims?
Gays in the US get beaten harassed and killed in some cases....why all Americans are homophobes?!!

Wrong. You are an ignorant, willfully stupid, bigot.

Do you think it's "Cool" when Muslims throw Gays off of roof tops?

The U.S.A doesn't treat Gays like many Muslim nations do.

Such a comparison is ridiculous.

Are all egalitarians sub-Humans? Why do they seem to have trouble with basic concepts like proportions?

Many Muslim nations are backwards when it comes to human rights, equality, gay rights, but then so are non-Muslim nations in Africa for example or, Russia with it's latest anti-gay legislation.

On the other hand - many Muslims in western countries, such as the US have similar views towards gays as the other religious groups. Perhaps culture more than religion is the more important factor.

Matthew Shepard.

Aaron Alexis, What's your point, Pogtardo?

 

[WEATHER53]

And statistically, how many Muslims died DEFENDING westerners from Islamic extremists? As apposed to just ether minimizing it or justifying it?

Statistically, I doubt anyone has those statistics. Does that matter? But it occurs to me there are a great many out in Iraq and Afghanistan providing support and protection to US servicemembers trying to oust extremists.

Speaking of minimizing and justifying, thank you for providing a good example.

I don't know the statistics either, but I bet it's few and far between. Anyone have any proven instances of Muslims protecting non Muslims and freedom of religion? I am sure it's daunting if not nearly impossible. But it dosen't take away from the far larger picture of hate and atrocities Muslims have committed.

It's fake views

 

[TemplarKormac]

Unlike most of them, I've read The Qur'an.

How much of it? Because it seriously looks like to me you're cherrypicking what you want out of the Qur'an instead.