Green Deal Price Tag...93,000,000,000,000.00

[SSDD]

It's not an "opinion piece" It is based on Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and your graph is meaningless. No explanation, no source

AR5 Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis — IPCC

It is always interesting to see what passes for "evidence" in the minds of alarmists...here, from the abstract of your pseudoscientific paper...

"Here we use extreme value theory to combine sea-level projections with wave, tide, and storm surge models to estimate increases in coastal flooding on a continuous global scale."

No actual observation, no measurements, no observations....just wild assed guesses spewing forth from failing models...they acknowledge that sea level is rising at 3 - 4 mm per year, but they "expect" that rate to accelerate...they have been "expecting" it to accelerate for 30 years now...it isn't happening...the model is based on nothing more than wild assed guesses and hopes and dreams that at least something that they have predicted will come to pass...

They are using "extreme value theory"...it is a statistical system for determining probabilities or return periods for large events....that is fine in a linear system...the earth's climate, however, happens to be coupled non linear chaotic system...the ability to accurately predict a specific event for any time period further than a couple of days in a system as chaotic as the climate is like picking the lotto numbers...in short, it is just one more paper making wild assed guesses about what might, or could happen if all the previous climate models had actually been correct....you people will believe anything so long as it agrees with your political leanings.

 

[SSDD]

Here is what sea level has looked like for about the past 8,000 years...

Your graph is so poorly made that it is hard to determine where the dates are and the direction of the rising or falling?

Here is a better graph--
View attachment 248476
Climate Change Indicators: Sea Level | US EPA

The graph I provided is measuring sea level increase in terms of meters...yours is measuring inches across more than 100 years...and isn't particularly accurate...it is the product of some very shady measuring systems such as tacking satellite numbers onto data collected via physical tide gages...


Prof. em. Nils Axel Mörner, one of the worlds leading sea level experts examined sea levels between Denmark and Sweden and found that contrary to the reports by alarmists, sea level is actually dropping. The tide record in Stockholm is the longest in Europe and he found that the mean long-term change in sea level is a decline of 3.8 mm per year. The land mass itself is rising 49mm per year due to post glacial rise of the land mass...the difference leaves actual sea level rise at about 1.1m per year...

Then there are the multiple papers which find that sea levels were considerably higher 6000 years ago than they are at present.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018218306023

Clip:“~6000 cal yr B.P. old oysters can be found from between 3.8 ± 0.1 m to 2.5 ± 0.1 m above present day mean sea level. … Dead (fossil) oysters were collected from between 1 and 3 m above the centre of the live oyster band in a more sheltered cleft inside the notch. The oldest sample with an age of 5270–4950 cal yr B.P. was collected at an elevation of 3.01 ± 0.1 m above the apex of the notch. The ages decrease with elevation down to 920–710 cal yr B.P. at 1.03 m.”
• “In all the sites, the 14C age of the dead oysters inside the notches increases with increasing elevation above present day MSL. Clearly, relative sea level was 2 to 3 m higher than present between 6000 and 3000 B.P. and has steadily fallen since.”

• “There was a progressive warming from ~13,500 years ago to a peak at 6500 ± 200 years ago followed by a cooling of −2.6 °C to the present day.”

“[A]t a more sheltered site inside a bay on Ko Pha Nak, the highest preserved oyster shell is at 3.2 ± 0.1 m above MSL and has a younger 14C calibrated age of 5845–5605 cal yr B.P. Furthermore, oysters from 3.8 ± 0.1 m above present day MSL, encrusted on a stalactite in a cave at West Railay Beach has a 14C calibrated age of 6176–6041 cal yr B.P.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964569118303429

“Regionally, the sea levels in the PRD [Pearl River Delta, China] region and Japan show no significant acceleration from 1900 to present, but only oscillations. This result is consistent with the other coastal area of the world where long-term tide gauges are located. Policy making, and management, should therefore focus on adaptive measures linked to the monitoring by tide gauges and Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) of relative sea level rise and land subsidence. Extreme sea level rise warnings based on predictions by never validated models, or speculations, that are defocusing coastal management from every other relevant situation, should be discharged.”

“[T]he long-term tide gauges of the world show no significant sign of sea level acceleration since the start of the 20th century.”

“Ocean and coastal management in the area should be based on the accurate monitoring of the relative sea level rise and the subsidence of the land by coupled tide gauge and Global Navigation Satellite System measurements, rather than models’ predictions and speculations defocusing coastal management from more relevant situations than the non-existent threat of extreme sea level rise.”

The State of the World’s Beaches

Clip: The application of an automated shoreline detection method to the sandy shorelines thus identified resulted in a global dataset of shoreline change rates for the 33 year period 1984–2016. Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379116303304

Clip: We present a Holocene relative sea-level (RSL) database for the Caribbean region (5°N to 25°N and 55°W to 90°W) that consists of 499 sea-level index points and 238 limiting dates. The database was compiled from multiple sea-level indicators (mangrove peat, microbial mats, beach rock and acroporid and massive corals). We subdivided the database into 20 regions to investigate the influence of tectonics and glacial isostatic adjustment on RSL. We account for the local-scale processes of sediment compaction and tidal range change using the stratigraphic position (overburden thickness) of index points and paleotidal modeling, respectively. We use a spatio-temporal empirical hierarchical model to estimate RSL position and its rates of change in the Caribbean over 1-ka time slices. Because of meltwater input, the rates of RSL change were highest during the early Holocene, with a maximum of 10.9 ± 0.6 m/ka in Suriname and Guyana and minimum of 7.4 ± 0.7 m/ka in south Florida from 12 to 8 ka. Following complete deglaciation of the Laurentide Ice Sheet (LIS) by ∼7 ka, mid-to late-Holocene rates slowed to < 2.4 ± 0.4 m/ka.The hierarchical model constrains the spatial extent of the mid-Holocene highstand. RSL did not exceed the present height during the Holocene, except on the northern coast of South America, where in Suriname and Guyana, RSL attained a height higher than present by 6.6 ka (82% probability).The highstand reached a maximum elevation of +1.0 ± 1.1 m between 5.3 and 5.2 ka. Regions with a highstand were located furthest away from the former LIS, where the effects from ocean syphoning and hydro-isostasy outweigh the influence of subsidence from forebulge collapse.”

And it goes on and on and on...published papers indicating that the models upon which alarmism is based are wrong...that sea levels were considerably higher thousands of years ago than they are today...that your alarmist handwaving is nothing more than uninformed hysterics.

 

[SSDD]

Yes...you are a dupe...how do you suppose all the life in the oceans managed to live during the holocene optimum when temperatures were considerably warmer than they are today...

I don't know if this helps or hurts the debate but sea life is living along the mid atlantic ridge where it is very hot and the pressure would crush a human.

Life finds a way to live anywhere and everywhere on this planet, or so it seems
-

But you just seemed to be making the claim that the small bit of acidification we have seen represents a real and present threat to life in the oceans..the article you provided certainly made that suggestion. Did you provide it as a scare tactic? Was it just a bit of alarmist handwaving?

 

[skookerasbil]

Here is what sea level has looked like for about the past 8,000 years...

Your graph is so poorly made that it is hard to determine where the dates are and the direction of the rising or falling?

Here is a better graph--
View attachment 248476
Climate Change Indicators: Sea Level | US EPA

The graph I provided is measuring sea level increase in terms of meters...yours is measuring inches across more than 100 years...and isn't particularly accurate...it is the product of some very shady measuring systems such as tacking satellite numbers onto data collected via physical tide gages...


Prof. em. Nils Axel Mörner, one of the worlds leading sea level experts examined sea levels between Denmark and Sweden and found that contrary to the reports by alarmists, sea level is actually dropping. The tide record in Stockholm is the longest in Europe and he found that the mean long-term change in sea level is a decline of 3.8 mm per year. The land mass itself is rising 49mm per year due to post glacial rise of the land mass...the difference leaves actual sea level rise at about 1.1m per year...

Then there are the multiple papers which find that sea levels were considerably higher 6000 years ago than they are at present.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018218306023

Clip:“~6000 cal yr B.P. old oysters can be found from between 3.8 ± 0.1 m to 2.5 ± 0.1 m above present day mean sea level. … Dead (fossil) oysters were collected from between 1 and 3 m above the centre of the live oyster band in a more sheltered cleft inside the notch. The oldest sample with an age of 5270–4950 cal yr B.P. was collected at an elevation of 3.01 ± 0.1 m above the apex of the notch. The ages decrease with elevation down to 920–710 cal yr B.P. at 1.03 m.”
• “In all the sites, the 14C age of the dead oysters inside the notches increases with increasing elevation above present day MSL. Clearly, relative sea level was 2 to 3 m higher than present between 6000 and 3000 B.P. and has steadily fallen since.”

• “There was a progressive warming from ~13,500 years ago to a peak at 6500 ± 200 years ago followed by a cooling of −2.6 °C to the present day.”

“[A]t a more sheltered site inside a bay on Ko Pha Nak, the highest preserved oyster shell is at 3.2 ± 0.1 m above MSL and has a younger 14C calibrated age of 5845–5605 cal yr B.P. Furthermore, oysters from 3.8 ± 0.1 m above present day MSL, encrusted on a stalactite in a cave at West Railay Beach has a 14C calibrated age of 6176–6041 cal yr B.P.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964569118303429

“Regionally, the sea levels in the PRD [Pearl River Delta, China] region and Japan show no significant acceleration from 1900 to present, but only oscillations. This result is consistent with the other coastal area of the world where long-term tide gauges are located. Policy making, and management, should therefore focus on adaptive measures linked to the monitoring by tide gauges and Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) of relative sea level rise and land subsidence. Extreme sea level rise warnings based on predictions by never validated models, or speculations, that are defocusing coastal management from every other relevant situation, should be discharged.”

“[T]he long-term tide gauges of the world show no significant sign of sea level acceleration since the start of the 20th century.”

“Ocean and coastal management in the area should be based on the accurate monitoring of the relative sea level rise and the subsidence of the land by coupled tide gauge and Global Navigation Satellite System measurements, rather than models’ predictions and speculations defocusing coastal management from more relevant situations than the non-existent threat of extreme sea level rise.”

The State of the World’s Beaches

Clip: The application of an automated shoreline detection method to the sandy shorelines thus identified resulted in a global dataset of shoreline change rates for the 33 year period 1984–2016. Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379116303304

Clip: We present a Holocene relative sea-level (RSL) database for the Caribbean region (5°N to 25°N and 55°W to 90°W) that consists of 499 sea-level index points and 238 limiting dates. The database was compiled from multiple sea-level indicators (mangrove peat, microbial mats, beach rock and acroporid and massive corals). We subdivided the database into 20 regions to investigate the influence of tectonics and glacial isostatic adjustment on RSL. We account for the local-scale processes of sediment compaction and tidal range change using the stratigraphic position (overburden thickness) of index points and paleotidal modeling, respectively. We use a spatio-temporal empirical hierarchical model to estimate RSL position and its rates of change in the Caribbean over 1-ka time slices. Because of meltwater input, the rates of RSL change were highest during the early Holocene, with a maximum of 10.9 ± 0.6 m/ka in Suriname and Guyana and minimum of 7.4 ± 0.7 m/ka in south Florida from 12 to 8 ka. Following complete deglaciation of the Laurentide Ice Sheet (LIS) by ∼7 ka, mid-to late-Holocene rates slowed to < 2.4 ± 0.4 m/ka.The hierarchical model constrains the spatial extent of the mid-Holocene highstand. RSL did not exceed the present height during the Holocene, except on the northern coast of South America, where in Suriname and Guyana, RSL attained a height higher than present by 6.6 ka (82% probability).The highstand reached a maximum elevation of +1.0 ± 1.1 m between 5.3 and 5.2 ka. Regions with a highstand were located furthest away from the former LIS, where the effects from ocean syphoning and hydro-isostasy outweigh the influence of subsidence from forebulge collapse.”

And it goes on and on and on...published papers indicating that the models upon which alarmism is based are wrong...that sea levels were considerably higher thousands of years ago than they are today...that your alarmist handwaving is nothing more than uninformed hysterics.

Dang man.....that graph you posted is daunting. Just goes to show either these climate crusaders are just these hysterical assholes OR a bunch of fakes!

Great post!

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Here is what sea level has looked like for about the past 8,000 years...

Your graph is so poorly made that it is hard to determine where the dates are and the direction of the rising or falling?

Here is a better graph--
View attachment 248476
Climate Change Indicators: Sea Level | US EPA

The graph I provided is measuring sea level increase in terms of meters...yours is measuring inches across more than 100 years...and isn't particularly accurate...it is the product of some very shady measuring systems such as tacking satellite numbers onto data collected via physical tide gages...


Prof. em. Nils Axel Mörner, one of the worlds leading sea level experts examined sea levels between Denmark and Sweden and found that contrary to the reports by alarmists, sea level is actually dropping. The tide record in Stockholm is the longest in Europe and he found that the mean long-term change in sea level is a decline of 3.8 mm per year. The land mass itself is rising 49mm per year due to post glacial rise of the land mass...the difference leaves actual sea level rise at about 1.1m per year...

Then there are the multiple papers which find that sea levels were considerably higher 6000 years ago than they are at present.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018218306023

Clip:“~6000 cal yr B.P. old oysters can be found from between 3.8 ± 0.1 m to 2.5 ± 0.1 m above present day mean sea level. … Dead (fossil) oysters were collected from between 1 and 3 m above the centre of the live oyster band in a more sheltered cleft inside the notch. The oldest sample with an age of 5270–4950 cal yr B.P. was collected at an elevation of 3.01 ± 0.1 m above the apex of the notch. The ages decrease with elevation down to 920–710 cal yr B.P. at 1.03 m.”
• “In all the sites, the 14C age of the dead oysters inside the notches increases with increasing elevation above present day MSL. Clearly, relative sea level was 2 to 3 m higher than present between 6000 and 3000 B.P. and has steadily fallen since.”

• “There was a progressive warming from ~13,500 years ago to a peak at 6500 ± 200 years ago followed by a cooling of −2.6 °C to the present day.”

“[A]t a more sheltered site inside a bay on Ko Pha Nak, the highest preserved oyster shell is at 3.2 ± 0.1 m above MSL and has a younger 14C calibrated age of 5845–5605 cal yr B.P. Furthermore, oysters from 3.8 ± 0.1 m above present day MSL, encrusted on a stalactite in a cave at West Railay Beach has a 14C calibrated age of 6176–6041 cal yr B.P.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964569118303429

“Regionally, the sea levels in the PRD [Pearl River Delta, China] region and Japan show no significant acceleration from 1900 to present, but only oscillations. This result is consistent with the other coastal area of the world where long-term tide gauges are located. Policy making, and management, should therefore focus on adaptive measures linked to the monitoring by tide gauges and Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) of relative sea level rise and land subsidence. Extreme sea level rise warnings based on predictions by never validated models, or speculations, that are defocusing coastal management from every other relevant situation, should be discharged.”

“[T]he long-term tide gauges of the world show no significant sign of sea level acceleration since the start of the 20th century.”

“Ocean and coastal management in the area should be based on the accurate monitoring of the relative sea level rise and the subsidence of the land by coupled tide gauge and Global Navigation Satellite System measurements, rather than models’ predictions and speculations defocusing coastal management from more relevant situations than the non-existent threat of extreme sea level rise.”

The State of the World’s Beaches

Clip: The application of an automated shoreline detection method to the sandy shorelines thus identified resulted in a global dataset of shoreline change rates for the 33 year period 1984–2016. Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379116303304

Clip: We present a Holocene relative sea-level (RSL) database for the Caribbean region (5°N to 25°N and 55°W to 90°W) that consists of 499 sea-level index points and 238 limiting dates. The database was compiled from multiple sea-level indicators (mangrove peat, microbial mats, beach rock and acroporid and massive corals). We subdivided the database into 20 regions to investigate the influence of tectonics and glacial isostatic adjustment on RSL. We account for the local-scale processes of sediment compaction and tidal range change using the stratigraphic position (overburden thickness) of index points and paleotidal modeling, respectively. We use a spatio-temporal empirical hierarchical model to estimate RSL position and its rates of change in the Caribbean over 1-ka time slices. Because of meltwater input, the rates of RSL change were highest during the early Holocene, with a maximum of 10.9 ± 0.6 m/ka in Suriname and Guyana and minimum of 7.4 ± 0.7 m/ka in south Florida from 12 to 8 ka. Following complete deglaciation of the Laurentide Ice Sheet (LIS) by ∼7 ka, mid-to late-Holocene rates slowed to < 2.4 ± 0.4 m/ka.The hierarchical model constrains the spatial extent of the mid-Holocene highstand. RSL did not exceed the present height during the Holocene, except on the northern coast of South America, where in Suriname and Guyana, RSL attained a height higher than present by 6.6 ka (82% probability).The highstand reached a maximum elevation of +1.0 ± 1.1 m between 5.3 and 5.2 ka. Regions with a highstand were located furthest away from the former LIS, where the effects from ocean syphoning and hydro-isostasy outweigh the influence of subsidence from forebulge collapse.”

And it goes on and on and on...published papers indicating that the models upon which alarmism is based are wrong...that sea levels were considerably higher thousands of years ago than they are today...that your alarmist handwaving is nothing more than uninformed hysterics.

Dang man.....that graph you posted is daunting. Just goes to show either these climate crusaders are just these hysterical assholes OR a bunch of fakes!

Great post!

You want to talk about assholes? Remember the National Climate Assessment that Trump tried to burry? He is so afraid of the truth that now he has to do this:

Meet The Ostriches Under Consideration For Trump’s Anti-Science Climate Panel | HuffPost

 

[SSDD]

Here is what sea level has looked like for about the past 8,000 years...

Your graph is so poorly made that it is hard to determine where the dates are and the direction of the rising or falling?

Here is a better graph--
View attachment 248476
Climate Change Indicators: Sea Level | US EPA

The graph I provided is measuring sea level increase in terms of meters...yours is measuring inches across more than 100 years...and isn't particularly accurate...it is the product of some very shady measuring systems such as tacking satellite numbers onto data collected via physical tide gages...


Prof. em. Nils Axel Mörner, one of the worlds leading sea level experts examined sea levels between Denmark and Sweden and found that contrary to the reports by alarmists, sea level is actually dropping. The tide record in Stockholm is the longest in Europe and he found that the mean long-term change in sea level is a decline of 3.8 mm per year. The land mass itself is rising 49mm per year due to post glacial rise of the land mass...the difference leaves actual sea level rise at about 1.1m per year...

Then there are the multiple papers which find that sea levels were considerably higher 6000 years ago than they are at present.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018218306023

Clip:“~6000 cal yr B.P. old oysters can be found from between 3.8 ± 0.1 m to 2.5 ± 0.1 m above present day mean sea level. … Dead (fossil) oysters were collected from between 1 and 3 m above the centre of the live oyster band in a more sheltered cleft inside the notch. The oldest sample with an age of 5270–4950 cal yr B.P. was collected at an elevation of 3.01 ± 0.1 m above the apex of the notch. The ages decrease with elevation down to 920–710 cal yr B.P. at 1.03 m.”
• “In all the sites, the 14C age of the dead oysters inside the notches increases with increasing elevation above present day MSL. Clearly, relative sea level was 2 to 3 m higher than present between 6000 and 3000 B.P. and has steadily fallen since.”

• “There was a progressive warming from ~13,500 years ago to a peak at 6500 ± 200 years ago followed by a cooling of −2.6 °C to the present day.”

“[A]t a more sheltered site inside a bay on Ko Pha Nak, the highest preserved oyster shell is at 3.2 ± 0.1 m above MSL and has a younger 14C calibrated age of 5845–5605 cal yr B.P. Furthermore, oysters from 3.8 ± 0.1 m above present day MSL, encrusted on a stalactite in a cave at West Railay Beach has a 14C calibrated age of 6176–6041 cal yr B.P.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964569118303429

“Regionally, the sea levels in the PRD [Pearl River Delta, China] region and Japan show no significant acceleration from 1900 to present, but only oscillations. This result is consistent with the other coastal area of the world where long-term tide gauges are located. Policy making, and management, should therefore focus on adaptive measures linked to the monitoring by tide gauges and Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) of relative sea level rise and land subsidence. Extreme sea level rise warnings based on predictions by never validated models, or speculations, that are defocusing coastal management from every other relevant situation, should be discharged.”

“[T]he long-term tide gauges of the world show no significant sign of sea level acceleration since the start of the 20th century.”

“Ocean and coastal management in the area should be based on the accurate monitoring of the relative sea level rise and the subsidence of the land by coupled tide gauge and Global Navigation Satellite System measurements, rather than models’ predictions and speculations defocusing coastal management from more relevant situations than the non-existent threat of extreme sea level rise.”

The State of the World’s Beaches

Clip: The application of an automated shoreline detection method to the sandy shorelines thus identified resulted in a global dataset of shoreline change rates for the 33 year period 1984–2016. Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379116303304

Clip: We present a Holocene relative sea-level (RSL) database for the Caribbean region (5°N to 25°N and 55°W to 90°W) that consists of 499 sea-level index points and 238 limiting dates. The database was compiled from multiple sea-level indicators (mangrove peat, microbial mats, beach rock and acroporid and massive corals). We subdivided the database into 20 regions to investigate the influence of tectonics and glacial isostatic adjustment on RSL. We account for the local-scale processes of sediment compaction and tidal range change using the stratigraphic position (overburden thickness) of index points and paleotidal modeling, respectively. We use a spatio-temporal empirical hierarchical model to estimate RSL position and its rates of change in the Caribbean over 1-ka time slices. Because of meltwater input, the rates of RSL change were highest during the early Holocene, with a maximum of 10.9 ± 0.6 m/ka in Suriname and Guyana and minimum of 7.4 ± 0.7 m/ka in south Florida from 12 to 8 ka. Following complete deglaciation of the Laurentide Ice Sheet (LIS) by ∼7 ka, mid-to late-Holocene rates slowed to < 2.4 ± 0.4 m/ka.The hierarchical model constrains the spatial extent of the mid-Holocene highstand. RSL did not exceed the present height during the Holocene, except on the northern coast of South America, where in Suriname and Guyana, RSL attained a height higher than present by 6.6 ka (82% probability).The highstand reached a maximum elevation of +1.0 ± 1.1 m between 5.3 and 5.2 ka. Regions with a highstand were located furthest away from the former LIS, where the effects from ocean syphoning and hydro-isostasy outweigh the influence of subsidence from forebulge collapse.”

And it goes on and on and on...published papers indicating that the models upon which alarmism is based are wrong...that sea levels were considerably higher thousands of years ago than they are today...that your alarmist handwaving is nothing more than uninformed hysterics.

Dang man.....that graph you posted is daunting. Just goes to show either these climate crusaders are just these hysterical assholes OR a bunch of fakes!

Great post!

You want to talk about assholes? Remember the National Climate Assessment that Trump tried to burry? He is so afraid of the truth that now he has to do this:

Meet The Ostriches Under Consideration For Trump’s Anti-Science Climate Panel | HuffPost

Funny....Happer is one of the sharpest knives in any drawer...you wack jobs are terrified of him because he zeroes in on every single weakness and inadequacy in your narrative....no climate scientist has the cojones to enter into a debate with him for fear of walking away with permanent feelings of inadequacy....

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Here is what sea level has looked like for about the past 8,000 years...

Your graph is so poorly made that it is hard to determine where the dates are and the direction of the rising or falling?

Here is a better graph--
View attachment 248476
Climate Change Indicators: Sea Level | US EPA

The graph I provided is measuring sea level increase in terms of meters...yours is measuring inches across more than 100 years...and isn't particularly accurate...it is the product of some very shady measuring systems such as tacking satellite numbers onto data collected via physical tide gages...


Prof. em. Nils Axel Mörner, one of the worlds leading sea level experts examined sea levels between Denmark and Sweden and found that contrary to the reports by alarmists, sea level is actually dropping. The tide record in Stockholm is the longest in Europe and he found that the mean long-term change in sea level is a decline of 3.8 mm per year. The land mass itself is rising 49mm per year due to post glacial rise of the land mass...the difference leaves actual sea level rise at about 1.1m per year...

Then there are the multiple papers which find that sea levels were considerably higher 6000 years ago than they are at present.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018218306023

Clip:“~6000 cal yr B.P. old oysters can be found from between 3.8 ± 0.1 m to 2.5 ± 0.1 m above present day mean sea level. … Dead (fossil) oysters were collected from between 1 and 3 m above the centre of the live oyster band in a more sheltered cleft inside the notch. The oldest sample with an age of 5270–4950 cal yr B.P. was collected at an elevation of 3.01 ± 0.1 m above the apex of the notch. The ages decrease with elevation down to 920–710 cal yr B.P. at 1.03 m.”
• “In all the sites, the 14C age of the dead oysters inside the notches increases with increasing elevation above present day MSL. Clearly, relative sea level was 2 to 3 m higher than present between 6000 and 3000 B.P. and has steadily fallen since.”

• “There was a progressive warming from ~13,500 years ago to a peak at 6500 ± 200 years ago followed by a cooling of −2.6 °C to the present day.”

“[A]t a more sheltered site inside a bay on Ko Pha Nak, the highest preserved oyster shell is at 3.2 ± 0.1 m above MSL and has a younger 14C calibrated age of 5845–5605 cal yr B.P. Furthermore, oysters from 3.8 ± 0.1 m above present day MSL, encrusted on a stalactite in a cave at West Railay Beach has a 14C calibrated age of 6176–6041 cal yr B.P.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964569118303429

“Regionally, the sea levels in the PRD [Pearl River Delta, China] region and Japan show no significant acceleration from 1900 to present, but only oscillations. This result is consistent with the other coastal area of the world where long-term tide gauges are located. Policy making, and management, should therefore focus on adaptive measures linked to the monitoring by tide gauges and Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) of relative sea level rise and land subsidence. Extreme sea level rise warnings based on predictions by never validated models, or speculations, that are defocusing coastal management from every other relevant situation, should be discharged.”

“[T]he long-term tide gauges of the world show no significant sign of sea level acceleration since the start of the 20th century.”

“Ocean and coastal management in the area should be based on the accurate monitoring of the relative sea level rise and the subsidence of the land by coupled tide gauge and Global Navigation Satellite System measurements, rather than models’ predictions and speculations defocusing coastal management from more relevant situations than the non-existent threat of extreme sea level rise.”

The State of the World’s Beaches

Clip: The application of an automated shoreline detection method to the sandy shorelines thus identified resulted in a global dataset of shoreline change rates for the 33 year period 1984–2016. Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379116303304

Clip: We present a Holocene relative sea-level (RSL) database for the Caribbean region (5°N to 25°N and 55°W to 90°W) that consists of 499 sea-level index points and 238 limiting dates. The database was compiled from multiple sea-level indicators (mangrove peat, microbial mats, beach rock and acroporid and massive corals). We subdivided the database into 20 regions to investigate the influence of tectonics and glacial isostatic adjustment on RSL. We account for the local-scale processes of sediment compaction and tidal range change using the stratigraphic position (overburden thickness) of index points and paleotidal modeling, respectively. We use a spatio-temporal empirical hierarchical model to estimate RSL position and its rates of change in the Caribbean over 1-ka time slices. Because of meltwater input, the rates of RSL change were highest during the early Holocene, with a maximum of 10.9 ± 0.6 m/ka in Suriname and Guyana and minimum of 7.4 ± 0.7 m/ka in south Florida from 12 to 8 ka. Following complete deglaciation of the Laurentide Ice Sheet (LIS) by ∼7 ka, mid-to late-Holocene rates slowed to < 2.4 ± 0.4 m/ka.The hierarchical model constrains the spatial extent of the mid-Holocene highstand. RSL did not exceed the present height during the Holocene, except on the northern coast of South America, where in Suriname and Guyana, RSL attained a height higher than present by 6.6 ka (82% probability).The highstand reached a maximum elevation of +1.0 ± 1.1 m between 5.3 and 5.2 ka. Regions with a highstand were located furthest away from the former LIS, where the effects from ocean syphoning and hydro-isostasy outweigh the influence of subsidence from forebulge collapse.”

And it goes on and on and on...published papers indicating that the models upon which alarmism is based are wrong...that sea levels were considerably higher thousands of years ago than they are today...that your alarmist handwaving is nothing more than uninformed hysterics.

Dang man.....that graph you posted is daunting. Just goes to show either these climate crusaders are just these hysterical assholes OR a bunch of fakes!

Great post!

You want to talk about assholes? Remember the National Climate Assessment that Trump tried to burry? He is so afraid of the truth that now he has to do this:

Meet The Ostriches Under Consideration For Trump’s Anti-Science Climate Panel | HuffPost

Funny....Happer is one of the sharpest knives in any drawer...you wack jobs are terrified of him because he zeroes in on every single weakness and inadequacy in your narrative....no climate scientist has the cojones to enter into a debate with him for fear of walking away with permanent feelings of inadequacy....

He is a crackpot with no climatology experience!

Climate misinformation by source: William Happer

So is Judith Curry

PEOPLE: Judith Curry retires, citing 'craziness' of climate science

It's beginning to look like this panel is just a little lopsided

 

[danielpalos]

Here is what sea level has looked like for about the past 8,000 years...

Your graph is so poorly made that it is hard to determine where the dates are and the direction of the rising or falling?

Here is a better graph--
View attachment 248476
Climate Change Indicators: Sea Level | US EPA

Indeed.....and that graph proves why nobody cares about sea level rise!

New Cities in more optimum locations!

 

[SSDD]

Your graph is so poorly made that it is hard to determine where the dates are and the direction of the rising or falling?

Here is a better graph--
View attachment 248476
Climate Change Indicators: Sea Level | US EPA

The graph I provided is measuring sea level increase in terms of meters...yours is measuring inches across more than 100 years...and isn't particularly accurate...it is the product of some very shady measuring systems such as tacking satellite numbers onto data collected via physical tide gages...


Prof. em. Nils Axel Mörner, one of the worlds leading sea level experts examined sea levels between Denmark and Sweden and found that contrary to the reports by alarmists, sea level is actually dropping. The tide record in Stockholm is the longest in Europe and he found that the mean long-term change in sea level is a decline of 3.8 mm per year. The land mass itself is rising 49mm per year due to post glacial rise of the land mass...the difference leaves actual sea level rise at about 1.1m per year...

Then there are the multiple papers which find that sea levels were considerably higher 6000 years ago than they are at present.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018218306023

Clip:“~6000 cal yr B.P. old oysters can be found from between 3.8 ± 0.1 m to 2.5 ± 0.1 m above present day mean sea level. … Dead (fossil) oysters were collected from between 1 and 3 m above the centre of the live oyster band in a more sheltered cleft inside the notch. The oldest sample with an age of 5270–4950 cal yr B.P. was collected at an elevation of 3.01 ± 0.1 m above the apex of the notch. The ages decrease with elevation down to 920–710 cal yr B.P. at 1.03 m.”
• “In all the sites, the 14C age of the dead oysters inside the notches increases with increasing elevation above present day MSL. Clearly, relative sea level was 2 to 3 m higher than present between 6000 and 3000 B.P. and has steadily fallen since.”

• “There was a progressive warming from ~13,500 years ago to a peak at 6500 ± 200 years ago followed by a cooling of −2.6 °C to the present day.”

“[A]t a more sheltered site inside a bay on Ko Pha Nak, the highest preserved oyster shell is at 3.2 ± 0.1 m above MSL and has a younger 14C calibrated age of 5845–5605 cal yr B.P. Furthermore, oysters from 3.8 ± 0.1 m above present day MSL, encrusted on a stalactite in a cave at West Railay Beach has a 14C calibrated age of 6176–6041 cal yr B.P.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964569118303429

“Regionally, the sea levels in the PRD [Pearl River Delta, China] region and Japan show no significant acceleration from 1900 to present, but only oscillations. This result is consistent with the other coastal area of the world where long-term tide gauges are located. Policy making, and management, should therefore focus on adaptive measures linked to the monitoring by tide gauges and Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) of relative sea level rise and land subsidence. Extreme sea level rise warnings based on predictions by never validated models, or speculations, that are defocusing coastal management from every other relevant situation, should be discharged.”

“[T]he long-term tide gauges of the world show no significant sign of sea level acceleration since the start of the 20th century.”

“Ocean and coastal management in the area should be based on the accurate monitoring of the relative sea level rise and the subsidence of the land by coupled tide gauge and Global Navigation Satellite System measurements, rather than models’ predictions and speculations defocusing coastal management from more relevant situations than the non-existent threat of extreme sea level rise.”

The State of the World’s Beaches

Clip: The application of an automated shoreline detection method to the sandy shorelines thus identified resulted in a global dataset of shoreline change rates for the 33 year period 1984–2016. Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379116303304

Clip: We present a Holocene relative sea-level (RSL) database for the Caribbean region (5°N to 25°N and 55°W to 90°W) that consists of 499 sea-level index points and 238 limiting dates. The database was compiled from multiple sea-level indicators (mangrove peat, microbial mats, beach rock and acroporid and massive corals). We subdivided the database into 20 regions to investigate the influence of tectonics and glacial isostatic adjustment on RSL. We account for the local-scale processes of sediment compaction and tidal range change using the stratigraphic position (overburden thickness) of index points and paleotidal modeling, respectively. We use a spatio-temporal empirical hierarchical model to estimate RSL position and its rates of change in the Caribbean over 1-ka time slices. Because of meltwater input, the rates of RSL change were highest during the early Holocene, with a maximum of 10.9 ± 0.6 m/ka in Suriname and Guyana and minimum of 7.4 ± 0.7 m/ka in south Florida from 12 to 8 ka. Following complete deglaciation of the Laurentide Ice Sheet (LIS) by ∼7 ka, mid-to late-Holocene rates slowed to < 2.4 ± 0.4 m/ka.The hierarchical model constrains the spatial extent of the mid-Holocene highstand. RSL did not exceed the present height during the Holocene, except on the northern coast of South America, where in Suriname and Guyana, RSL attained a height higher than present by 6.6 ka (82% probability).The highstand reached a maximum elevation of +1.0 ± 1.1 m between 5.3 and 5.2 ka. Regions with a highstand were located furthest away from the former LIS, where the effects from ocean syphoning and hydro-isostasy outweigh the influence of subsidence from forebulge collapse.”

And it goes on and on and on...published papers indicating that the models upon which alarmism is based are wrong...that sea levels were considerably higher thousands of years ago than they are today...that your alarmist handwaving is nothing more than uninformed hysterics.

Dang man.....that graph you posted is daunting. Just goes to show either these climate crusaders are just these hysterical assholes OR a bunch of fakes!

Great post!

You want to talk about assholes? Remember the National Climate Assessment that Trump tried to burry? He is so afraid of the truth that now he has to do this:

Meet The Ostriches Under Consideration For Trump’s Anti-Science Climate Panel | HuffPost

Funny....Happer is one of the sharpest knives in any drawer...you wack jobs are terrified of him because he zeroes in on every single weakness and inadequacy in your narrative....no climate scientist has the cojones to enter into a debate with him for fear of walking away with permanent feelings of inadequacy....

He is a crackpot with no climatology experience!

Climate misinformation by source: William Happer

He is a world renouned physicist.....he grasps energy movement through the atmosphere better by far then any practitioner of the soft science of climate science....you do realize, don't you that climate science is a soft science? The sort of science you take if you can't get into a physics, chemistry, or engineering program? Any masters level physicist, chemist, or engineer could teach any course available in a climate science course...but a PhD climate scientists would be lost teaching 300 level physics, chemistry, or engineering courses...

You guys just don't seem to grasp what a joke climate science is...that is why the field has been very active now for about 3 decades and still can't produce the first piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the man made climate change hypothesis over natural variability...

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The graph I provided is measuring sea level increase in terms of meters...yours is measuring inches across more than 100 years...and isn't particularly accurate...it is the product of some very shady measuring systems such as tacking satellite numbers onto data collected via physical tide gages...


Prof. em. Nils Axel Mörner, one of the worlds leading sea level experts examined sea levels between Denmark and Sweden and found that contrary to the reports by alarmists, sea level is actually dropping. The tide record in Stockholm is the longest in Europe and he found that the mean long-term change in sea level is a decline of 3.8 mm per year. The land mass itself is rising 49mm per year due to post glacial rise of the land mass...the difference leaves actual sea level rise at about 1.1m per year...

Then there are the multiple papers which find that sea levels were considerably higher 6000 years ago than they are at present.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018218306023

Clip:“~6000 cal yr B.P. old oysters can be found from between 3.8 ± 0.1 m to 2.5 ± 0.1 m above present day mean sea level. … Dead (fossil) oysters were collected from between 1 and 3 m above the centre of the live oyster band in a more sheltered cleft inside the notch. The oldest sample with an age of 5270–4950 cal yr B.P. was collected at an elevation of 3.01 ± 0.1 m above the apex of the notch. The ages decrease with elevation down to 920–710 cal yr B.P. at 1.03 m.”
• “In all the sites, the 14C age of the dead oysters inside the notches increases with increasing elevation above present day MSL. Clearly, relative sea level was 2 to 3 m higher than present between 6000 and 3000 B.P. and has steadily fallen since.”

• “There was a progressive warming from ~13,500 years ago to a peak at 6500 ± 200 years ago followed by a cooling of −2.6 °C to the present day.”

“[A]t a more sheltered site inside a bay on Ko Pha Nak, the highest preserved oyster shell is at 3.2 ± 0.1 m above MSL and has a younger 14C calibrated age of 5845–5605 cal yr B.P. Furthermore, oysters from 3.8 ± 0.1 m above present day MSL, encrusted on a stalactite in a cave at West Railay Beach has a 14C calibrated age of 6176–6041 cal yr B.P.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964569118303429

“Regionally, the sea levels in the PRD [Pearl River Delta, China] region and Japan show no significant acceleration from 1900 to present, but only oscillations. This result is consistent with the other coastal area of the world where long-term tide gauges are located. Policy making, and management, should therefore focus on adaptive measures linked to the monitoring by tide gauges and Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) of relative sea level rise and land subsidence. Extreme sea level rise warnings based on predictions by never validated models, or speculations, that are defocusing coastal management from every other relevant situation, should be discharged.”

“[T]he long-term tide gauges of the world show no significant sign of sea level acceleration since the start of the 20th century.”

“Ocean and coastal management in the area should be based on the accurate monitoring of the relative sea level rise and the subsidence of the land by coupled tide gauge and Global Navigation Satellite System measurements, rather than models’ predictions and speculations defocusing coastal management from more relevant situations than the non-existent threat of extreme sea level rise.”

The State of the World’s Beaches

Clip: The application of an automated shoreline detection method to the sandy shorelines thus identified resulted in a global dataset of shoreline change rates for the 33 year period 1984–2016. Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379116303304

Clip: We present a Holocene relative sea-level (RSL) database for the Caribbean region (5°N to 25°N and 55°W to 90°W) that consists of 499 sea-level index points and 238 limiting dates. The database was compiled from multiple sea-level indicators (mangrove peat, microbial mats, beach rock and acroporid and massive corals). We subdivided the database into 20 regions to investigate the influence of tectonics and glacial isostatic adjustment on RSL. We account for the local-scale processes of sediment compaction and tidal range change using the stratigraphic position (overburden thickness) of index points and paleotidal modeling, respectively. We use a spatio-temporal empirical hierarchical model to estimate RSL position and its rates of change in the Caribbean over 1-ka time slices. Because of meltwater input, the rates of RSL change were highest during the early Holocene, with a maximum of 10.9 ± 0.6 m/ka in Suriname and Guyana and minimum of 7.4 ± 0.7 m/ka in south Florida from 12 to 8 ka. Following complete deglaciation of the Laurentide Ice Sheet (LIS) by ∼7 ka, mid-to late-Holocene rates slowed to < 2.4 ± 0.4 m/ka.The hierarchical model constrains the spatial extent of the mid-Holocene highstand. RSL did not exceed the present height during the Holocene, except on the northern coast of South America, where in Suriname and Guyana, RSL attained a height higher than present by 6.6 ka (82% probability).The highstand reached a maximum elevation of +1.0 ± 1.1 m between 5.3 and 5.2 ka. Regions with a highstand were located furthest away from the former LIS, where the effects from ocean syphoning and hydro-isostasy outweigh the influence of subsidence from forebulge collapse.”

And it goes on and on and on...published papers indicating that the models upon which alarmism is based are wrong...that sea levels were considerably higher thousands of years ago than they are today...that your alarmist handwaving is nothing more than uninformed hysterics.

Dang man.....that graph you posted is daunting. Just goes to show either these climate crusaders are just these hysterical assholes OR a bunch of fakes!

Great post!

You want to talk about assholes? Remember the National Climate Assessment that Trump tried to burry? He is so afraid of the truth that now he has to do this:

Meet The Ostriches Under Consideration For Trump’s Anti-Science Climate Panel | HuffPost

Funny....Happer is one of the sharpest knives in any drawer...you wack jobs are terrified of him because he zeroes in on every single weakness and inadequacy in your narrative....no climate scientist has the cojones to enter into a debate with him for fear of walking away with permanent feelings of inadequacy....

He is a crackpot with no climatology experience!

Climate misinformation by source: William Happer

He is a world renouned physicist.....he grasps energy movement through the atmosphere better by far then any practitioner of the soft science of climate science....you do realize, don't you that climate science is a soft science? The sort of science you take if you can't get into a physics, chemistry, or engineering program? Any masters level physicist, chemist, or engineer could teach any course available in a climate science course...but a PhD climate scientists would be lost teaching 300 level physics, chemistry, or engineering courses...

You guys just don't seem to grasp what a joke climate science is...that is why the field has been very active now for about 3 decades and still can't produce the first piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the man made climate change hypothesis over natural variability...

This all more of your opinions being presented as fact. Another appeal to ignorance logical fallacy. "Soft Sciences" are the social sciences and economics .You don't get it! All of these people have a political agenda and the deniers are a small faction of the scientific community

 

[SSDD]

Dang man.....that graph you posted is daunting. Just goes to show either these climate crusaders are just these hysterical assholes OR a bunch of fakes!

Great post!

You want to talk about assholes? Remember the National Climate Assessment that Trump tried to burry? He is so afraid of the truth that now he has to do this:

Meet The Ostriches Under Consideration For Trump’s Anti-Science Climate Panel | HuffPost

Funny....Happer is one of the sharpest knives in any drawer...you wack jobs are terrified of him because he zeroes in on every single weakness and inadequacy in your narrative....no climate scientist has the cojones to enter into a debate with him for fear of walking away with permanent feelings of inadequacy....

He is a crackpot with no climatology experience!

Climate misinformation by source: William Happer

He is a world renouned physicist.....he grasps energy movement through the atmosphere better by far then any practitioner of the soft science of climate science....you do realize, don't you that climate science is a soft science? The sort of science you take if you can't get into a physics, chemistry, or engineering program? Any masters level physicist, chemist, or engineer could teach any course available in a climate science course...but a PhD climate scientists would be lost teaching 300 level physics, chemistry, or engineering courses...

You guys just don't seem to grasp what a joke climate science is...that is why the field has been very active now for about 3 decades and still can't produce the first piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the man made climate change hypothesis over natural variability...

This all more of your opinions being presented as fact. Another appeal to ignorance logical fallacy. "Soft Sciences" are the social sciences and economics .You don't get it! All of these people have a political agenda and the deniers are a small faction of the scientific community

Not my opinion...hard fact...go grab yourself a syllabus from any university with a climate science program...compare that course of education to a physics, chemistry, or engineering program....there isn't even a comparison after the first year....3 of the courses take you into the depths of the hard sciences...one teaches rainbows and unicorns when compared to the other 3. Or don't look and maintain your ignorance...you would probably be more comfortable with that option...no thinking required.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You want to talk about assholes? Remember the National Climate Assessment that Trump tried to burry? He is so afraid of the truth that now he has to do this:

Meet The Ostriches Under Consideration For Trump’s Anti-Science Climate Panel | HuffPost

Funny....Happer is one of the sharpest knives in any drawer...you wack jobs are terrified of him because he zeroes in on every single weakness and inadequacy in your narrative....no climate scientist has the cojones to enter into a debate with him for fear of walking away with permanent feelings of inadequacy....

He is a crackpot with no climatology experience!

Climate misinformation by source: William Happer

He is a world renouned physicist.....he grasps energy movement through the atmosphere better by far then any practitioner of the soft science of climate science....you do realize, don't you that climate science is a soft science? The sort of science you take if you can't get into a physics, chemistry, or engineering program? Any masters level physicist, chemist, or engineer could teach any course available in a climate science course...but a PhD climate scientists would be lost teaching 300 level physics, chemistry, or engineering courses...

You guys just don't seem to grasp what a joke climate science is...that is why the field has been very active now for about 3 decades and still can't produce the first piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the man made climate change hypothesis over natural variability...

This all more of your opinions being presented as fact. Another appeal to ignorance logical fallacy. "Soft Sciences" are the social sciences and economics .You don't get it! All of these people have a political agenda and the deniers are a small faction of the scientific community

Not my opinion...hard fact...go grab yourself a syllabus from any university with a climate science program...compare that course of education to a physics, chemistry, or engineering program....there isn't even a comparison after the first year....3 of the courses take you into the depths of the hard sciences...one teaches rainbows and unicorns when compared to the other 3. Or don't look and maintain your ignorance...you would probably be more comfortable with that option...no thinking required.

I see now. So climatologists are all full of shit, unless they are someone like Judith Curry who says what you want to hear. Got it!

 

[Sunsettommy]

Funny....Happer is one of the sharpest knives in any drawer...you wack jobs are terrified of him because he zeroes in on every single weakness and inadequacy in your narrative....no climate scientist has the cojones to enter into a debate with him for fear of walking away with permanent feelings of inadequacy....

He is a crackpot with no climatology experience!

Climate misinformation by source: William Happer

He is a world renouned physicist.....he grasps energy movement through the atmosphere better by far then any practitioner of the soft science of climate science....you do realize, don't you that climate science is a soft science? The sort of science you take if you can't get into a physics, chemistry, or engineering program? Any masters level physicist, chemist, or engineer could teach any course available in a climate science course...but a PhD climate scientists would be lost teaching 300 level physics, chemistry, or engineering courses...

You guys just don't seem to grasp what a joke climate science is...that is why the field has been very active now for about 3 decades and still can't produce the first piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the man made climate change hypothesis over natural variability...

This all more of your opinions being presented as fact. Another appeal to ignorance logical fallacy. "Soft Sciences" are the social sciences and economics .You don't get it! All of these people have a political agenda and the deniers are a small faction of the scientific community

Not my opinion...hard fact...go grab yourself a syllabus from any university with a climate science program...compare that course of education to a physics, chemistry, or engineering program....there isn't even a comparison after the first year....3 of the courses take you into the depths of the hard sciences...one teaches rainbows and unicorns when compared to the other 3. Or don't look and maintain your ignorance...you would probably be more comfortable with that option...no thinking required.

I see now. So climatologists are all full of shit, unless they are someone like Judith Curry who says what you want to hear. Got it!

Nobody says all of them are full of shit, the problem centers on a small number of scientists who promotes pseudoscience for money and prestige, with the Media's culpability of promoting what is not there. Now that the few short term climate models have all failed and still no "Troposphere "hotspot" showing up, AGW conjecture is DEAD!

Judith Curry is a Lukewarmer, who believes in the AGW conjecture, but doesn't accept the "doomsday" scenario. That is the distinction you miss.

 

[watchingfromafar]

The Green New Deal is the new standard joke....nobody takes it seriously.

The people who believe the green deal is a joke are the ones duped into complacency just to win a pointless debate with no end in sight.

The worlds climate has been changing since day one (1) and will continue to do so regardless of what the human race does to try and change it.

Climate change will not cause the human race’s end but lack of the needed resources to power the world’s economies is.

Fossil fuels have powered the worlds economies since the first oil well produced the first barrel of oil.

Our dependency on oil to power our economies is coming to an end; fossil fuels are “finite” and will cease to be a reliable energy source in our lifetime.

It is time to wake up and begin the needed transition now or suffer world wars until the fuel needed to drive these wars comes to a cruel screeching end.

Some will survive to begin a new beginning while millions lay dead in the streets.

This is what lays before us, act now to save the human race; or lay down and die.

The choice is ours to make, I pray we rise to the call -

 

[mamooth]

He is a world renouned physicist.....

Yet his climate science views are stupid.

He's old, fixed in his ways and kind of senile. All denier scientists are that way. There are no young denier scientists. It requires the stupidity of age to embrace denialism. Science advances one funeral at a time.

Any masters level physicist, chemist, or engineer could teach any course available in a climate science course..

In SSDD's loopy cult world, climate scientists go to a community college and major in "climate science".

Meanwhile, in the real world, climate scientists are hard science (usually physics) PHDs and postdocs.

.but a PhD climate scientists would be lost teaching 300 level physics, chemistry, or engineering courses...

Poor SSDD, so butthurt because the 300-level Statistical Mechanics course that physics majors all take totally destroys his loopy theories.

 

[mamooth]

Not my opinion...hard fact...go grab yourself a syllabus from any university with a climate science program...

Why don't you do it for us? It's your claim, so you need to back it up.

Oh, wait. You just lied to our faces, so you can't. You've never seen such a curriculum, mainly because there aren't any universities with "climate science programs". Except maybe that _one_ somewhere at a no-name university, and nobody was really sure what that was about.

So, your move. Show us that curriculum. You don't have to, of course. You can and will deflect by raging and throwing insults now, but that will just to confirm to everyone that you lied. You've never seen such a curriculum. It is entirely a fantasy that you fabricated.

 

[mamooth]

Prof. em. Nils Axel Mörner,

This is the photo Mörner published to "prove" that sea levels hadn't risen.

That's one of the worst photoshop jobs ever. Mörner grafted in a new tree so he could say it was the old tree that hadn't been killed by a rising ocean.

Mörner is an outright fraud. Anyone parroting him is a fraud.

 

[mamooth]

Yes...you are a dupe...how do you suppose all the life in the oceans managed to live during the holocene optimum when temperatures were considerably warmer than they are today.

If you weren't such a total ignoramus concerning chemistry, you'd know why. Climate scientists, being very familiar with the hard science of chemistry, do know why.

Over ten of thousands of year, the buffering effect of carbonate runoff from the land prevents the pH from dropping as CO2 levels rise. On short time scales, that buffering doesn't happen.

You didn't know such a basic thing, and you screamed an idiot conspiracy theory based on your ignorance. Same old same old.

As far as the hard data, it's everywhere. We directly measure the lowering pH in the oceans.

Climate Change Indicators: Ocean Acidity | US EPA

 

[skookerasbil]

The Green New Deal is the new standard joke....nobody takes it seriously.

The people who believe the green deal is a joke are the ones duped into complacency just to win a pointless debate with no end in sight.

The worlds climate has been changing since day one (1) and will continue to do so regardless of what the human race does to try and change it.

Climate change will not cause the human race’s end but lack of the needed resources to power the world’s economies is.

Fossil fuels have powered the worlds economies since the first oil well produced the first barrel of oil.

Our dependency on oil to power our economies is coming to an end; fossil fuels are “finite” and will cease to be a reliable energy source in our lifetime.

It is time to wake up and begin the needed transition now or suffer world wars until the fuel needed to drive these wars comes to a cruel screeching end.

Some will survive to begin a new beginning while millions lay dead in the streets.

This is what lays before us, act now to save the human race; or lay down and die.

The choice is ours to make, I pray we rise to the call -

Lol....s0n...you'll be a long time in your box and coal will still be the most prolific source of energy in the world. Again....check out that link and get up to speed. Matrix sources are ghey. But dont take my word for it....go check the last Obama EIA projection released in 2017. All you need to know!

 

[SSDD]

I see now. So climatologists are all full of shit, unless they are someone like Judith Curry who says what you want to hear. Got it!

I don't agree with her either...she believes in the magic as well....she just doesn't believe the magic is as strong as the hard core envirowackos...lukewarmers are still warmers..