Great moments in last nights SOTU, I liked the North Korean defector/Trumps comments on justice best

[Rustic]

I'll quote you because you have it listed as items that stuck out to you...
But what I thought was the best moment and for deep-rooted political
reasoning, besides the heartbreak was the victim's parents of the MS13.

The story and watching those parents agonize thru it was gut-wrenching
enough, but it was a very subtle scene that had to lock up the Dems.

I mean there is nothing they can say. The theme was about illegal immigrants and how these young, unescorted illegals turn into thugs
in this country.

But the subtle point was the victim's parents, as well as the victim's
are all Black.

That Black Caucus just sat there numb. The Dem Party is so splintered
and a rainbow of minorities that they cannot hold true to their own core
beliefs. They must support each other's causes which is why they have
no message. Black Ministers supporting Homosexuals? Huh? Those folks
despise those people, but they have to shrug their shoulders. Their congregations don't, but they must.

Illegal immigrants have always taken jobs away from blacks in this country.
When the Cubans first arrived in Miami...The Blacks and the Cubans went
to war with each other. Everyone of those Miami Beach Hotels began using
Cuban workers and dumping blacks. The Redcaps at Miami International
were soon all Cubans.

That MS13 moment will become a challenge to the Black Caucus to
maintain their posture of supporting illegal immigration. Now they certainly
will, but it gives powerful talking points to be used against them

Yes. He made a heroic effort to try to tie all immigrants with MS13. Since his supporters don't have a brain, I can see how they could fall for that.

Total BS. You clowns just cannot stop lying can you?

If every time the Pres wants to push border security, he pulls out examples of MS13 and illegals who commit murder, what do YOU take that to mean? From the day he announced his candidacy, saying Mexico is sending us their criminals, rapists and drug dealers, not good people.
It's there.

You are missing the point, our southern border is wide open. If you don’t think the criminals are flooding across?
Lol

I've got no issue with tightening up the border. Build a Wall if you think it's worth the $$. Of course they're getting in--I never said that was a good thing.

We have to start somewhere, if we wanna stop the flow of criminals across the border. Because right now it’s a free-for-all.

 

[OldLady]

If every time the Pres wants to push border security, he pulls out examples of MS13 and illegals who commit murder, what do YOU take that to mean? From the day he announced his candidacy, saying Mexico is sending us their criminals, rapists and drug dealers, not good people.
It's there.

he also said "some are good people"
You retarded hacks make shit up and call it fact. THATS why its funny

Straight from the horse's ass's mouth:
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Some, I assume, are good people? Do you really not get the intent here? Do you really come away from that statement feeling that most of the people coming from Mexico are fine upstanding people?

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

Taking someones words and saying you know what their true intent is, is kind of a leap in my book.

I've worked with migrant populations, which no doubt included some illegals--it wasn't my place to check on that. They are here to work, and they work their asses off. Around here, if they haven't got a green card they get sent home.
I got no issue with that. I got an issue with implying MOST of them are rapists and murderers; that's unfair.

 

[Rustic]

he also said "some are good people"
You retarded hacks make shit up and call it fact. THATS why its funny

Straight from the horse's ass's mouth:
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Some, I assume, are good people? Do you really not get the intent here? Do you really come away from that statement feeling that most of the people coming from Mexico are fine upstanding people?

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

I don’t know about the specifics, but they are dishonest illegals. Why should they be trusted? The Democrats want them for a votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor and some want both.

Rustic, illegals can't vote.

Future votes, Although some do slip through the cracks. Career politicians are friends of the illegal alien

 

[OldLady]

Yes. He made a heroic effort to try to tie all immigrants with MS13. Since his supporters don't have a brain, I can see how they could fall for that.

Total BS. You clowns just cannot stop lying can you?

If every time the Pres wants to push border security, he pulls out examples of MS13 and illegals who commit murder, what do YOU take that to mean? From the day he announced his candidacy, saying Mexico is sending us their criminals, rapists and drug dealers, not good people.
It's there.

You are missing the point, our southern border is wide open. If you don’t think the criminals are flooding across?
Lol

I've got no issue with tightening up the border. Build a Wall if you think it's worth the $$. Of course they're getting in--I never said that was a good thing.

We have to start somewhere, if we wanna stop the flow of criminals across the border. Because right now it’s a free-for-all.

We're not talking about policy. We're talking about Trump's argument, which is to smear Mexicans. Always has been.

 

[OldLady]

Straight from the horse's ass's mouth:
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Some, I assume, are good people? Do you really not get the intent here? Do you really come away from that statement feeling that most of the people coming from Mexico are fine upstanding people?

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

I don’t know about the specifics, but they are dishonest illegals. Why should they be trusted? The Democrats want them for a votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor and some want both.

Rustic, illegals can't vote.

Future votes, Although some do slip through the cracks. Career politicians are friends of the illegal alien

Only DACA kids are possibly being allowed a path to citizenship. Illegals can't apply.

 

[OldLady]

Straight from the horse's ass's mouth:
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Some, I assume, are good people? Do you really not get the intent here? Do you really come away from that statement feeling that most of the people coming from Mexico are fine upstanding people?

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

I don’t know about the specifics, but they are dishonest illegals. Why should they be trusted? The Democrats want them for a votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor and some want both.

Rustic, illegals can't vote.

They can if they steal identities.
It has been estimated that like 1.5M illegals are living under stolen american identities.

Why can't you smart young whippersnappers figure out a way to stop people from stealing Social Security numbers? There has to be a way.

 

[Rustic]

he also said "some are good people"
You retarded hacks make shit up and call it fact. THATS why its funny

Straight from the horse's ass's mouth:
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Some, I assume, are good people? Do you really not get the intent here? Do you really come away from that statement feeling that most of the people coming from Mexico are fine upstanding people?

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

Taking someones words and saying you know what their true intent is, is kind of a leap in my book.

I've worked with migrant populations, which no doubt included some illegals--it wasn't my place to check on that. They are here to work, and they work their asses off. Around here, if they haven't got a green card they get sent home.
I got no issue with that. I got an issue with implying MOST of them are rapists and murderers; that's unfair.

Illegal is illegal, therefore they have no credibility. So you are saying if you let them all in there’s gonna be no violent criminals included? Lol

 

[Rustic]

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

I don’t know about the specifics, but they are dishonest illegals. Why should they be trusted? The Democrats want them for a votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor and some want both.

Rustic, illegals can't vote.

Future votes, Although some do slip through the cracks. Career politicians are friends of the illegal alien

Only DACA kids are possibly being allowed a path to citizenship. Illegals can't apply.

They all should go to the back of the line no exclusions, DACA is bullshit.
They should go to the back of the line and wait 12 to 15 or more years to even start becoming a citizen of the United States.

 

[OldLady]

Straight from the horse's ass's mouth:
Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Some, I assume, are good people? Do you really not get the intent here? Do you really come away from that statement feeling that most of the people coming from Mexico are fine upstanding people?

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

Taking someones words and saying you know what their true intent is, is kind of a leap in my book.

I've worked with migrant populations, which no doubt included some illegals--it wasn't my place to check on that. They are here to work, and they work their asses off. Around here, if they haven't got a green card they get sent home.
I got no issue with that. I got an issue with implying MOST of them are rapists and murderers; that's unfair.

Illegal is illegal, therefore they have no credibility. So you are saying if you let them all in there’s gonna be no violent criminals included? Lol

Don't be twisting what I said. Some are violent criminals, just as in any population, including homegrown Americans. Of course those damned MS13 boys and the drug dealers are violent criminals. Get 'em the hell outta here. Just stop painting all immigrants with the same broad brush.
You will find that killing your scapegoat is not going to solve all your problems.

 

[TNHarley]

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

I don’t know about the specifics, but they are dishonest illegals. Why should they be trusted? The Democrats want them for a votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor and some want both.

Rustic, illegals can't vote.

Future votes, Although some do slip through the cracks. Career politicians are friends of the illegal alien

Only DACA kids are possibly being allowed a path to citizenship. Illegals can't apply.

DACA kids are illegals

 

[TNHarley]

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

I don’t know about the specifics, but they are dishonest illegals. Why should they be trusted? The Democrats want them for a votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor and some want both.

Rustic, illegals can't vote.

They can if they steal identities.
It has been estimated that like 1.5M illegals are living under stolen american identities.

Why can't you smart young whippersnappers figure out a way to stop people from stealing Social Security numbers? There has to be a way.

Well a good start would be to cut off all illegal incentive and deport all of them. Might not even have to deport if we cut off all incentive.

 

[Rustic]

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

Taking someones words and saying you know what their true intent is, is kind of a leap in my book.

I've worked with migrant populations, which no doubt included some illegals--it wasn't my place to check on that. They are here to work, and they work their asses off. Around here, if they haven't got a green card they get sent home.
I got no issue with that. I got an issue with implying MOST of them are rapists and murderers; that's unfair.

Illegal is illegal, therefore they have no credibility. So you are saying if you let them all in there’s gonna be no violent criminals included? Lol

Don't be twisting what I said. Some are violent criminals, just as in any population, including homegrown Americans. Of course those damned MS13 boys and the drug dealers are violent criminals. Get 'em the hell outta here. Just stop painting all immigrants with the same broad brush.
You will find that killing your scapegoat is not going to solve all your problems.

See that is the problem we don’t know which ones are criminals and which ones are not. Until they get here then it’s too late. We need to be much tougher on illegal aliens. From the start

 

[PredFan]

 

[OldLady]

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

Taking someones words and saying you know what their true intent is, is kind of a leap in my book.

I've worked with migrant populations, which no doubt included some illegals--it wasn't my place to check on that. They are here to work, and they work their asses off. Around here, if they haven't got a green card they get sent home.
I got no issue with that. I got an issue with implying MOST of them are rapists and murderers; that's unfair.

Illegal is illegal, therefore they have no credibility. So you are saying if you let them all in there’s gonna be no violent criminals included? Lol

Don't be twisting what I said. Some are violent criminals, just as in any population, including homegrown Americans. Of course those damned MS13 boys and the drug dealers are violent criminals. Get 'em the hell outta here. Just stop painting all immigrants with the same broad brush.
You will find that killing your scapegoat is not going to solve all your problems.

See that is the problem we don’t know which ones are criminals and which ones are not. Until they get here then it’s too late. We need to be much tougher on illegal aliens. From the start

I just realized we have totally strayed from the OP.
How did this become an immigration thread?
I was disappointed in the "no eye opening" statements on North Korea. How about you?

 

[westwall]

Obviously fence jumpers are breaking the law to start with, why would you expect them to be honest about anything else?

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

I don’t know about the specifics, but they are dishonest illegals. Why should they be trusted? The Democrats want them for a votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor and some want both.

Rustic, illegals can't vote.

Future votes, Although some do slip through the cracks. Career politicians are friends of the illegal alien

Only DACA kids are possibly being allowed a path to citizenship. Illegals can't apply.

DACA kids are illegal, however, they were brought over the border by their parents and had no choice. When they were presented with DACA they made a choice and registered with the government. That is why I feel they deserve a path to citizenship. They actually tried to comply with the law as it was presented to them. The fact that obummer violated the law with his EO is on him, not them.

That is my primary reason for supporting the DACA kids in their efforts. They have done everything in their power to comply with the law. There will certainly be DACA kids who break the law as these last couple of human traffickers show, but that is normal in any population group. No one is perfect and to claim otherwise is stupid.

 

[OldLady]

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Atomic fireball in there

 

[Rustic]

Total BS. You clowns just cannot stop lying can you?

If every time the Pres wants to push border security, he pulls out examples of MS13 and illegals who commit murder, what do YOU take that to mean? From the day he announced his candidacy, saying Mexico is sending us their criminals, rapists and drug dealers, not good people.
It's there.

You are missing the point, our southern border is wide open. If you don’t think the criminals are flooding across?
Lol

I've got no issue with tightening up the border. Build a Wall if you think it's worth the $$. Of course they're getting in--I never said that was a good thing.

We have to start somewhere, if we wanna stop the flow of criminals across the border. Because right now it’s a free-for-all.

We're not talking about policy. We're talking about Trump's argument, which is to smear Mexicans. Always has been.

No, it’s smear illegal aliens they are not trustworthy because they are breaking the law to begin with.

 

[westwall]

Taking someones words and saying you know what their true intent is, is kind of a leap in my book.

I've worked with migrant populations, which no doubt included some illegals--it wasn't my place to check on that. They are here to work, and they work their asses off. Around here, if they haven't got a green card they get sent home.
I got no issue with that. I got an issue with implying MOST of them are rapists and murderers; that's unfair.

Illegal is illegal, therefore they have no credibility. So you are saying if you let them all in there’s gonna be no violent criminals included? Lol

Don't be twisting what I said. Some are violent criminals, just as in any population, including homegrown Americans. Of course those damned MS13 boys and the drug dealers are violent criminals. Get 'em the hell outta here. Just stop painting all immigrants with the same broad brush.
You will find that killing your scapegoat is not going to solve all your problems.

See that is the problem we don’t know which ones are criminals and which ones are not. Until they get here then it’s too late. We need to be much tougher on illegal aliens. From the start

I just realized we have totally strayed from the OP.
How did this become an immigration thread?
I was disappointed in the "no eye opening" statements on North Korea. How about you?

Yes, that was a bit of a let down. But when dealing with trump you have to expect a certain amount of hyperbole.

 

[DrLove]

I liked the dog whistles, exaggerations and lies the most!

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[ChrisL]

There were lots of great moments during last night's SOTU address. I liked much of what Trump said. The best part was when he said Americans are dreamers too. That was just a classic line that has so much meaning. Loved that!

 

[Rustic]

Coming to a place to work, even though illegally, automatically makes you suspect them of being rapists or murderers?
Kind of a leap, in my book.

I don’t know about the specifics, but they are dishonest illegals. Why should they be trusted? The Democrats want them for a votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor and some want both.

Rustic, illegals can't vote.

Future votes, Although some do slip through the cracks. Career politicians are friends of the illegal alien

Only DACA kids are possibly being allowed a path to citizenship. Illegals can't apply.

DACA kids are illegal, however, they were brought over the border by their parents and had no choice. When they were presented with DACA they made a choice and registered with the government. That is why I feel they deserve a path to citizenship. They actually tried to comply with the law as it was presented to them. The fact that obummer violated the law with his EO is on him, not them.

That is my primary reason for supporting the DACA kids in their efforts. They have done everything in their power to comply with the law. There will certainly be DACA kids who break the law as these last couple of human traffickers show, but that is normal in any population group. No one is perfect and to claim otherwise is stupid.

...and they need to wait in line just like everyone else... at the back.
They should wait 12 to 15 years or more to become citizens.