Grand Solar Minimum, not a problem

[Dekster]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Melting...from underwater volcanoes....CAUSED BY MANMADE GLOBAL WARMING!!!! DENIER!! DEATH TO THE DENIERS!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

You are a moron... Antarctic's mass is increasing and its ground temperatures are at theoretical minima -80 deg C (-158 Deg F) were setting records again down south..

Without AGW it would have been -161.5F

 

[Dick Foster]

Bad Boy Bad Boy What You Gonna Do When They Come for You.....

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Only if it's the right nuclear technology and not the current light water bullshit.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

You are a moron... Antarctic's mass is increasing and its ground temperatures are at theoretical minima -80 deg C (-158 Deg F) were setting records again down south..

Without AGW it would have been -161.5F

I believe that the max low ground temp this year was -160.8 deg F About 1 deg C lower in some of the valley's than TM (Theoretical Maximum). This is due to lower solar output changing that number.

 

[westwall]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

 

[Dekster]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

What happened 12K years ago? Did the Geico caveman make CO2?

 

[Dekster]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

What happened 12K years ago? Did the Geico caveman make CO2?

The great warming became the great cooling

 

[westwall]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

No, it is actually you people who are ignoring the historical record. If you weren't you would understand that NOTHING we are experiencing now is either "unprecedented " or unusual.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

No, it is actually you people who are ignoring the historical record. If you weren't you would understand that NOTHING we are experiencing now is either "unprecedented " or unusual.

In both the temperature and CO2 realms...

 

[flacaltenn]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

No, it is actually you people who are ignoring the historical record. If you weren't you would understand that NOTHING we are experiencing now is either "unprecedented " or unusual.

In both the temperature and CO2 realms...

This is the best example of how some proxies are just inherently better than other "ancient thermometer" or CO2 proxies. Actually much newer technique than the ice cores and tree rings and very simple.. It a simple COUNT and measurement of the "stomata" holes in preserved vegetation.. Nature USES the size of these holes to regulate the CO2 uptake.. No real fancy chem analysis.. No problems of CO2 migrations in the layers that REDUCE THE TEMPORAL (time) resolution of the proxy when it's sliced and dated -- like ICE cores.... No confusion of hydrological or temp swings like in tree rings. No mud bugs that burrow and travel in the mud over the depths of a 500 or a thousand years...

Also you can get stomata counts from more of the globe than just at the poles. Which is important because the poles RARELY reflect the general climatic conditions of the planet for small swings in temp...

Some plants are better CO2 detectors than others. But these LOCAL proxies show very wide swings in CO2 over millennial time scale...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

No, it is actually you people who are ignoring the historical record. If you weren't you would understand that NOTHING we are experiencing now is either "unprecedented " or unusual.

In both the temperature and CO2 realms...

This is the best example of how some proxies are just inherently better than other "ancient thermometer" or CO2 proxies. Actually much newer technique than the ice cores and tree rings and very simple.. It a simple COUNT and measurement of the "stomata" holes in preserved vegetation.. Nature USES the size of these holes to regulate the CO2 uptake.. No real fancy chem analysis.. No problems of CO2 migrations in the layers that REDUCE THE TEMPORAL (time) resolution of the proxy when it's sliced and dated -- like ICE cores.... No confusion of hydrological or temp swings like in tree rings. No mud bugs that burrow and travel in the mud over the depths of a 500 or a thousand years...

Also you can get stomata counts from more of the globe than just at the poles. Which is important because the poles RARELY reflect the general climatic conditions of the planet for small swings in temp...

Some plants are better CO2 detectors than others. But these LOCAL proxies show very wide swings in CO2 over millennial time scale...

This is one of the most stable proxies that we have today and it shows that the earths normal variation in CO2 routinely goes above 400ppm during warming events. Today's levels of CO2 are not unprecedented or abnormal for the earth. It also enables us to see if these are global events..

 

[Dekster]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

No, it is actually you people who are ignoring the historical record. If you weren't you would understand that NOTHING we are experiencing now is either "unprecedented " or unusual.

And yet you declared me wrong for saying it wouldn't be the first time (i.e. not unprecedented) and probably won't be the last (i.e. unusual), but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

 

[westwall]

Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.

Wouldn't be the first time. Probably won't be the last time.

Factually incorrect however, as has been shown in this very thread.

Then you are ignoring the historical evidence if what happened about 12K years ago, but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

No, it is actually you people who are ignoring the historical record. If you weren't you would understand that NOTHING we are experiencing now is either "unprecedented " or unusual.

And yet you declared me wrong for saying it wouldn't be the first time (i.e. not unprecedented) and probably won't be the last (i.e. unusual), but whatevers makes you feel warm and brilliant.

I was responding to matted keyboard, not you. The software here screws the quotes up from time to time.

 

[daveman]

GUISE NO REALLY THE 2 TRILLION TRILLION MILLION KILOGRAMS OF SUPERHOT FUSING HYDROGEN NUCLEI IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CLIMATE PINKIE SWEAR OBVIOUSLY WORLD SOCIALISM IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN SAVE US

 

[mamooth]

Here's the deal old friend.. Total RECOVERY from the last Grand Solar minimum took over 80 YEARS... That's MORE than just "one solar cycle" and the total recovery in Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) was about 0.8 Watts/M2...

Here's the deal that went flying over your head. There won't be any cooling to recover from. Instead, the strong warming will continue at a slightly reduced rate. It's a very simple point. How did you miss it?

What these naive comparisons DON'T take into account is the DIFFERENCE between power and energy.. A loss of a LITTLE power over time can INTEGRATE into a lot of cooling

Red herring on your part, used to evade the point that there won't be any cooling of any sort.

So what's GOOD for CO2 forcing effects is DOUBLY good for solar irradiation effects -- ESPECIALLY the direct incoming reduced flux of WIDEBAND solar "light" that tends to warm (or cool) the oceans much more EFFICIENTLY than the back radiation from CO2..

That's some odd pseudoscience on your part. Please tell us about the physical mechanism behind it. Why is it that you say 1 w/m^2 of visible light will heat the oceans more than 1 w/m^2 of longwave IR? The IR would seem to be more effective at heating, being how seawater reflects very little longwave IR, but lots of visible light.

 

[mamooth]

Dear Lord people, not one human being can give a logical, rational explanation of how the average temperature of planet Earth is derived today.

What exactly about the concept of "thermometers" and "averages" confuses you so much?

It's fascinating. Concepts that most fourth-graders have no trouble grasping are totally over the head of almost all of the deniers here.

 

[westwall]

Here's the deal old friend.. Total RECOVERY from the last Grand Solar minimum took over 80 YEARS... That's MORE than just "one solar cycle" and the total recovery in Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) was about 0.8 Watts/M2...

Here's the deal that went flying over your head. There won't be any cooling to recover from. Instead, the strong warming will continue at a slightly reduced rate. It's a very simple point. How did you miss it?

What these naive comparisons DON'T take into account is the DIFFERENCE between power and energy.. A loss of a LITTLE power over time can INTEGRATE into a lot of cooling

Red herring on your part, used to evade the point that there won't be any cooling of any sort.

So what's GOOD for CO2 forcing effects is DOUBLY good for solar irradiation effects -- ESPECIALLY the direct incoming reduced flux of WIDEBAND solar "light" that tends to warm (or cool) the oceans much more EFFICIENTLY than the back radiation from CO2..

That's some odd pseudoscience on your part. Please tell us about the physical mechanism behind it. Why is it that you say 1 w/m^2 of visible light will heat the oceans more than 1 w/m^2 of longwave IR? The IR would seem to be more effective at heating, being how seawater reflects very little longwave IR, but lots of visible light.

Pretty silly assertion, stupid kitty, considering we are STILL recovering from the Little Ice Age.

 

[SSDD]

Here's the deal old friend.. Total RECOVERY from the last Grand Solar minimum took over 80 YEARS... That's MORE than just "one solar cycle" and the total recovery in Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) was about 0.8 Watts/M2...

Here's the deal that went flying over your head. There won't be any cooling to recover from. Instead, the strong warming will continue at a slightly reduced rate. It's a very simple point. How did you miss it?

What these naive comparisons DON'T take into account is the DIFFERENCE between power and energy.. A loss of a LITTLE power over time can INTEGRATE into a lot of cooling

Red herring on your part, used to evade the point that there won't be any cooling of any sort.

So what's GOOD for CO2 forcing effects is DOUBLY good for solar irradiation effects -- ESPECIALLY the direct incoming reduced flux of WIDEBAND solar "light" that tends to warm (or cool) the oceans much more EFFICIENTLY than the back radiation from CO2..

That's some odd pseudoscience on your part. Please tell us about the physical mechanism behind it. Why is it that you say 1 w/m^2 of visible light will heat the oceans more than 1 w/m^2 of longwave IR? The IR would seem to be more effective at heating, being how seawater reflects very little longwave IR, but lots of visible light.

Pretty silly assertion, stupid kitty, considering we are STILL recovering from the Little Ice Age.

She has what she has....expect more of that shrill bloviating as the church of AGW continues to take hit after hit...she needs to be reassured, even if she has to do it herself... She is proof that if one tells a lie often enough, one can actually come to believe the lie.