GOP! VOTE FOR ME! We just took away your health care!

[Rozman]

This bill was 2700+ pages of steaming elephant dung and a lot of people knew it.
The Dems did a lousy job getting it passed.
The Dems did a lousy job selling it.

Let the Supreme Court kill it and then we can start over.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We know the individual parts are very popular.

yes making others pay for your stuff always polls well! Sadly, this is how Democrats buy votes and subvert our democracy.

How well does raising taxes $trillions poll? Now you know why Obama had to lie to get it passed!

 

[Flopper]

This bill was 2700+ pages of steaming elephant dung and a lot of people knew it.
The Dems did a lousy job getting it passed.
The Dems did a lousy job selling it.

Let the Supreme Court kill it and then we can start over.

The Dems did what Repubs could never do, pass a comprehensive healthcare reform bill.

 

[rdean]

Seems like an awfully hard sell.

Millions losing their health care because of the party of "Let Him Die"?

We know the individual parts are very popular.

Then "we" should have made them severable.

the 85% who liked the provision that health insurance companies cannot turn one away from being insured as a result of pre-existing conditions.

Are idiots. Sorry to be harsh - but anyone who thinks this is a rational expectation of insurance has a fundamental misunderstanding about what insurance is and how it works. That misunderstanding is really at the core of most of our problems regarding health care. We're trying to pretend insurance is something it isn't.

Tell me "D" isn't for dumb.

If you actually go and find out what a "pre existing" condition is you would probably change your tune.

You would think it's like trying to buy car insurance after you've had a crash, but the truth is, you can go to an insurance company website and find out "pre existing" condition could be an allergy. It could be your wife had a mammogram within the last six months. It could be you kid had their tonsils out. Insurance companies make it vague so they can cancel you coverage if you get too expensive. It may be different if you work for a company that offers health care, but for single family policies, it's terrible.

 

[rdean]

This bill was 2700+ pages of steaming elephant dung and a lot of people knew it.
The Dems did a lousy job getting it passed.
The Dems did a lousy job selling it.

Let the Supreme Court kill it and then we can start over.

The Dems did what Repubs could never do, pass a comprehensive healthcare reform bill.

It's not that they couldn't do it, it's they don't want to. Their policy is "let them die".

 

[dblack]

Tell me "D" isn't for dumb.

It stands for 'dean'! In your honor.

If you actually go and find out what a "pre existing" condition is you would probably change your tune.

You would think it's like trying to buy car insurance after you've had a crash, but the truth is, you can go to an insurance company website and find out "pre existing" condition could be an allergy. It could be your wife had a mammogram within the last six months. It could be you kid had their tonsils out. Insurance companies make it vague so they can cancel you coverage if you get too expensive. It may be different if you work for a company that offers health care, but for single family policies, it's terrible.

Yup. It sucks. I'm not disputing that in the slightest. My point is: that's the way insurance works. It's not a club you join so you don't have to pay for your health care. It's literally hedging your bets against future illness. All the sad stories in the world won't change that. And passing laws to try to change what insurance is, to try to make insurance into something it isn't, is delusional.

If we want to use the power of government to make sure these people are taken care of then we should do it via taxation and safety nets. To a large degree, these already exist. If the argument is that we need to beef them up, that's a legitimate discussion to have. But just pointing a gun at insurance (or people who don't want insurance) and saying 'fix it' is moronic.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Seems like an awfully hard sell.

Millions losing their health care because of the party of "Let Him Die"?

We know the individual parts are very popular.

Then "we" should have made them severable.

the 85% who liked the provision that health insurance companies cannot turn one away from being insured as a result of pre-existing conditions.

Are idiots. Sorry to be harsh - but anyone who thinks this is a rational expectation of insurance has a fundamental misunderstanding about what insurance is and how it works. That misunderstanding is really at the core of most of our problems regarding health care. We're trying to pretend insurance is something it isn't.

Tell me "D" isn't for dumb.

If you actually go and find out what a "pre existing" condition is you would probably change your tune.

You would think it's like trying to buy car insurance after you've had a crash, but the truth is, you can go to an insurance company website and find out "pre existing" condition could be an allergy. It could be your wife had a mammogram within the last six months. It could be you kid had their tonsils out. Insurance companies make it vague so they can cancel you coverage if you get too expensive. It may be different if you work for a company that offers health care, but for single family policies, it's terrible.

You are hilarious.

I am pretty sure we went through this before, but I am willing to do it again.

In the first place, allergies are not meant to be covered by insurance. Insurance is meant to cover unexpected expenses, not routine things. Allergies are about as routine as you can get.

If you elect to pay more for an insurance policy that covers routine expenses expenses of less that $20 a month, which is really really stupid, you can pay through the nose to get the same thing your neighbor gets for half the price don't whine about how much it costs.

When you opt into one of those policies, they tell you up front that they won't cover those routine expenses for a short period, usually about 6 months. That does require you to pay for the coverage and shell out the $20 bucks a month, which only an idiot would do, but only an idiot would want insurance that covers routine expenses in the first place.

 

[rdean]

Tell me "D" isn't for dumb.

It stands for 'dean'! In your honor.

If you actually go and find out what a "pre existing" condition is you would probably change your tune.

You would think it's like trying to buy car insurance after you've had a crash, but the truth is, you can go to an insurance company website and find out "pre existing" condition could be an allergy. It could be your wife had a mammogram within the last six months. It could be you kid had their tonsils out. Insurance companies make it vague so they can cancel you coverage if you get too expensive. It may be different if you work for a company that offers health care, but for single family policies, it's terrible.

Yup. It sucks. I'm not disputing that in the slightest. My point is: that's the way insurance works. It's not a club you join so you don't have to pay for your health care. It's literally hedging your bets against future illness. All the sad stories in the world won't change that. And passing laws to try to change what insurance is, to try to make insurance into something it isn't, is delusional.

If we want to use the power of government to make sure these people are taken care of then we should do it via taxation and safety nets. To a large degree, these already exist. If the argument is that we need to beef them up, that's a legitimate discussion to have. But just pointing a gun at insurance (or people who don't want insurance) and saying 'fix it' is moronic.

We are the government. Unless you vote Republican. For some strange reason, they want us to be "serfs".

 

[SnagNasty]

We know the individual parts are very popular.

yes making others pay for your stuff always polls well! Sadly, this is how Democrats buy votes and subvert our democracy.

How well does raising taxes $trillions poll? Now you know why Obama had to lie to get it passed!

When it comes to health care you pay for the uninsured anyway. Hospitals usually do not refuse people. If they can't pay - costs are passed on. Some of it to you when you make your visit.

 

[SnagNasty]

Got a hard working friend in the south. Works his ass off all year round at saw mills, runs a dog breeding farm and a canoe business. He has hands the size of bricks and missing half his front teeth from a chain saw accident. God fearing, blue collar Christian man. Salt of the earth.

His father has kidney issues and my friend got melanomo from working his ass off outside. Good people, don't drink, don't smoke - just damned right fine folk.

Insurance limits were quickly topped from dialysis and melanoma treatments.

My friend just sends in what he can pay per month and no more. He hates owing money but he has no other choice. The amount he sends in doesn't even cover the interest he is being charged.

Hate Obamacare all you want. At least it was a change sending these insurance companies a message. It may not fix the above for my friend but it does address the silly business of "pre existing conditions" and dropping ill student because they can't go to school full time.

My only problem with Obamacare is it did not go far enough. Call it Socialism, call it Marxism, call it what ever you want - I'll call it humanism.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. At least it[Obamacare] was a change sending these insurance companies a message.

too stupid!! Their stocks went up not down!! The message that must be sent to liberals is that insurance companies must be freed to compete.

Health insurance has not been very good. This is because liberals made competition illegal!


Imagine someone who jogs for fun and someone who races in life and death competition? Who would be a faster runner? Now you understand competiton and how it makes us better. Not so hard was it?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

This bill was 2700+ pages of steaming elephant dung and a lot of people knew it.
The Dems did a lousy job getting it passed.
The Dems did a lousy job selling it.

Let the Supreme Court kill it and then we can start over.

The Dems did what Repubs could never do, pass a comprehensive healthcare reform bill.

Nazis did many things others could never do. Did that make them good things? Perhaps if Republicans had lied as much as BO did they could have passed something. Remember: 10 years of revenue and 7 years of implementation to make it look as if it would pay for itself.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We know the individual parts are very popular.

yes making others pay for your stuff always polls well! Sadly, this is how Democrats buy votes and subvert our democracy.

How well does raising taxes $trillions poll? Now you know why Obama had to lie to get it passed!

When it comes to health care you pay for the uninsured anyway. Hospitals usually do not refuse people. If they can't pay - costs are passed on. Some of it to you when you make your visit.

no idea what your subject is, do you? The liberal was saying that welfare health care polled well among recipients and therefore we should keep welfare. Yes a free lunch is very popular, but that does mean it makes sense to provide one.

Republicans prefer everyone pull the wagon with as few free riders as possible.

 

[SnagNasty]

. At least it[Obamacare] was a change sending these insurance companies a message.

too stupid!! Their stocks went up not down!! The message that must be sent to liberals is that insurance companies must be freed to compete.

Health insurance has not been very good. This is because liberals made competition illegal!


Imagine someone who jogs for fun and someone who races in life and death competition? Who would be a faster runner? Now you understand competiton and how it makes us better. Not so hard was it?

You go ahead and trust unfettered insurance companies to help you in hard times. History has no stories to tell us regarding deregulation and private institutions.

Try taking care of a loved one with a severe mental illness. The illness is tragic within itself. Watch your bank roll hemorage as you try to help your loved one get on disability.

Sure the insurance companies will stand by you as you hunt for advanced care. Santa Claus is real too.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You go ahead and trust unfettered insurance companies to help you in hard times. History has no stories to tell us regarding deregulation and private institutions.

too stupid and liberal. China just deregulated and instantly ended centuries of en masse liberal starvation. Its been in all the papers

Try taking care of a loved one with a severe mental illness. The illness is tragic within itself. Watch your bank roll hemorage as you try to help your loved one get on disability.

again who knows what your subject is? Are you arguing for welfare or just non bureaucratic welfare that is easy to obtain??

Sure the insurance companies will stand by you as you hunt for advanced care. Santa Claus is real too.

what??? its like saying Ford can make a crummy car despite competition. Liberals make competition illegal in health care so of course it is bad. Liberals made every industry bad in China, then they deregulated and every industry got competitive.

Is that really over your head?

 

[SnagNasty]

"Imagine someone who jogs for fun and someone who races in life and death competition? Who would be a faster runner? Now you understand competiton and how it makes us better. Not so hard was it?"

This is silly on so many levels.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"Imagine someone who jogs for fun and someone who races in life and death competition? Who would be a faster runner? Now you understand competiton and how it makes us better. Not so hard was it?"

This is silly on so many levels.

why not look up competition in the dictionary and tell us what you think it means then? As a liberal you'll see that the most basic concepts are far over your head. Liberalism is the default position when one lacks the IQ to understand capitalism. Sad, but true.

 

[SnagNasty]

You go ahead and trust unfettered insurance companies to help you in hard times. History has no stories to tell us regarding deregulation and private institutions.

too stupid and liberal. China just deregulated and instantly ended centuries of en masse liberal starvation. Its been in all the papers

Try taking care of a loved one with a severe mental illness. The illness is tragic within itself. Watch your bank roll hemorage as you try to help your loved one get on disability.

again who knows what your subject is? Are you arguing for welfare or just non bureaucratic welfare that is easy to obtain??

Sure the insurance companies will stand by you as you hunt for advanced care. Santa Claus is real too.

what??? its like saying Ford can make a crummy car despite competition. Liberals make competition illegal in health care so of course it is bad. Liberals made every industry bad in China, then they deregulated and every industry got competitive.

Is that really over your head?

You have no problems with insurance companies denying insurance based on pre-existing conditions or students having to stay in school full time to get treated for a terminal illness?

 

[SnagNasty]

"Imagine someone who jogs for fun and someone who races in life and death competition? Who would be a faster runner? Now you understand competiton and how it makes us better. Not so hard was it?"

This is silly on so many levels.

why not look up competition in the dictionary and tell us what you think it means then? As a liberal you'll see that the most basic concepts are far over your head. Liberalism is the default position when one lacks the IQ to understand capitalism. Sad, but true.

Calling me a liberal simply because I don't trust Insurance companies? I trust you know all my other thoughts and positions as well?

Your analogy is still silly.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You have no problems with insurance companies denying insurance based on pre-existing conditions or students having to stay in school full time to get treated for a terminal illness?

see, you have to change the subject because as a liberal you can't follow the conceptual arguments.

1) pre-existing conditions and terminal illnesses are very very expensive but then so are Rolls Royces. The free market loves to sell expensive stuff as long as it can charge competitive prices for it. Liberals made it illegal to charge competitive prices in health care, not cars so there is no reason to provide health care for pre existing conditions.