GOP to shutdown govt. and default on debt

[thereisnospoon]

And you keep repeating the same talking points.
And you still exist under the same delusion.
"The House should send the Senate a bill that they know will be passed."..
Says WHO?

oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that futility was a good way to get things done.

Oh yes..You are ...sorry.....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Conservatives make me laugh. The 2008 and 2012 elections were great for the Democrats, and much larger numbers of people voted in them than in 2010. The 2010 elections was from a far smaller number of voters and conservatives hilariously conclude "The People Have Spoken". Too funny.

The only mistake that liberals and Democrats made in 2010 was not showing up to vote in the same numbers that they did 2 years earlier. That's all. They did nothing else wrong. There were no other lessons to learn.

Obama got fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008 and the Democrats felt the same blow, but yo u think they got more.

Interesting.

Winning is winning and still winning the big states including Ohio is a bigger blow to the GOP then a lose to the Dems.

Did I say they lost, or are you just an idiot?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I am assuming the Republicans never want to get back into the white house........

They force a shutdown and they will be literally fucked. Ask the millions of Americans who gave Obama another term. Pretty sure those on Social security and disability and the Veterans and military would just be so thrilled.

they assume the American people won't remember a month-long shutdown.

but you know what? in the end we all know that the GOP will cave.

the GOP will be the ones to flinch.

....but the damage will have been done. Plus the games they are gonna play with the debt limit will seal their fate.

November 2014 is gonna be cleanin-House time!!!!!!

That is pretty much what i said. Even a lot of Republicans are calling this an awful awful tactic that will backfire.

Hmm..of the 232 GOP members only TWO did not vote for this budget bill. 9 Democrats voted FOR it...
A lot of republicans? Are you sure you don't want to change your story?

 

[Flopper]

The Senate will not approve the House bill.

so what will the House do? will the House submit a new bill that funds the government and the ACA?

if the House cares about America, they will submit a bill that the Senate will pass.


as for the debt, we must pay our debts.

The House approved spending. They must now approve debt to pay for that spending.

Otherwise we will be a deadbeat nation.

If the law will just be a debacle, Republicans should let it take effect, ride the catastrophe to overwhelming victory in the 2014 midterms, and then use their massive congressional majorities to repeal it.

Rather, as EJ Dionne writes, the real fear is that the law will succeed. Once Obamacare begins delivering health insurance to millions of Americans it will become effectively impossible to repeal. That's what's happened in every other country that's introduced a national health-care system. That's why the right needs to stop Obamacare before it begins. This is looking more and more like a last ditch effort of conservatives to stop the inevitable.

Wonkbook: Shutting down the government won?t stop Obamacare. It might even help it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Most Americans? And who might that be?
Most of the polls, from both sides of the aisle show UNDERwhelming support for Obamacare.
Opposed are: unions, small business, large employers, moderates, etc. Already many large companies are marching to the White House seeking exemptions.
The unions are screaming that their members will lose their cadillac health insurance plans. So the unions are opposed.
The Obama admin must have seen trouble with this thing because it has already exempted business from implementation of ACA until 2015.

Most Union support the ACA.

Oh really?
Heritage: Unions Protest Obamacare Law They Supported | National Review Online
Teamsters, Other Unions Now Protest the Obamacare Nightmare They Helped Create (+video) | Restoring Liberty
Electrical workers union jumps aboard anti-Obamacare bus - Washington Times...
Wanna change your bullshit story? Or do you wish to continue looking foolish?

 

[Pasco08]

Obama got fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008 and the Democrats felt the same blow, but yo u think they got more.

Interesting.

Winning is winning and still winning the big states including Ohio is a bigger blow to the GOP then a lose to the Dems.

Did I say they lost, or are you just an idiot?

Your saying the Dems felt a blow i am saying you are incorrect as they still won the White house which after all is the biggest prize.

 

[Pasco08]

they assume the American people won't remember a month-long shutdown.

but you know what? in the end we all know that the GOP will cave.

the GOP will be the ones to flinch.

....but the damage will have been done. Plus the games they are gonna play with the debt limit will seal their fate.

November 2014 is gonna be cleanin-House time!!!!!!

That is pretty much what i said. Even a lot of Republicans are calling this an awful awful tactic that will backfire.

Hmm..of the 232 GOP members only TWO did not vote for this budget bill. 9 Democrats voted FOR it...
A lot of republicans? Are you sure you don't want to change your story?

Are you sure you aren't a fool? Both Bushes called it a bad idea as well as Chris C and Bobby J amongts others. Don't be so close minded oh never mind impossible.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Senate will not approve the House bill.

so what will the House do? will the House submit a new bill that funds the government and the ACA?

if the House cares about America, they will submit a bill that the Senate will pass.


as for the debt, we must pay our debts.

The House approved spending. They must now approve debt to pay for that spending.

Otherwise we will be a deadbeat nation.

If the law will just be a debacle, Republicans should let it take effect, ride the catastrophe to overwhelming victory in the 2014 midterms, and then use their massive congressional majorities to repeal it.

Rather, as EJ Dionne writes, the real fear is that the law will succeed. Once Obamacare begins delivering health insurance to millions of Americans it will become effectively impossible to repeal. That's what's happened in every other country that's introduced a national health-care system. That's why the right needs to stop Obamacare before it begins. This is looking more and more like a last ditch effort of conservatives to stop the inevitable.

Wonkbook: Shutting down the government won?t stop Obamacare. It might even help it.

Nobody that has half a brain thinks Obamacare is going to work. The proof of that is that Obama delayed the employee mandate for a year by inventing a clause that gave him an out. You should point that simple truth out to the idiot that wrote the ridiculous argument that Republicans are afraid the bill is going to turn into a pot of gold.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Winning is winning and still winning the big states including Ohio is a bigger blow to the GOP then a lose to the Dems.

Did I say they lost, or are you just an idiot?

Your saying the Dems felt a blow i am saying you are incorrect as they still won the White house which after all is the biggest prize.

They did feel it, just ask Pelosi.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republicans want to shut down the Federal government and default on our national debt.

I wonder what the financial results of this will be.

I wonder what the election results in 2014, will be.





Gee, seems like the Republicans have become suicidal.

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

They’ve forgotten their responsibility is to do what’s best for the Nation, not their party.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Republicans want to shut down the Federal government and default on our national debt.

I wonder what the financial results of this will be.

I wonder what the election results in 2014, will be.





Gee, seems like the Republicans have become suicidal.

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

They’ve forgotten their responsibility is to do what’s best for the Nation, not their party.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

If something is wrong with the law. Why not fix it?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

..Who is holding the government hostage? Those who demand they get their own way no matter what?...

why is the GOP insisting that the ACA not be funded or they will shut down the govt?

Because having failed to repeal it, ‘defunding’ is perceived as the next best option.

The right’s opposition to the ACA is purely partisan, having nothing to do with the merits of the Act, where repeal would be seen as a political blow against a president they despise.

The fact that conservatives offer no viable alternative measure to ensure all Americans have insurance and access to healthcare is proof of this.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republicans want to shut down the Federal government and default on our national debt.

I wonder what the financial results of this will be.

I wonder what the election results in 2014, will be.





Gee, seems like the Republicans have become suicidal.

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

They’ve forgotten their responsibility is to do what’s best for the Nation, not their party.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

If something is wrong with the law. Why not fix it?

Then republicans should act to fund the government, once that responsibility is discharged they can work with Congressional democrats and the WH to address the Act’s deficiencies. Or they can offer their own legislation to ensure all Americans have coverage and healthcare.

The ACA is a republican plan, anyway - no reason why they can’t participate in improving it.

Fundamentally, the issue has nothing to do with the ACA, but the right’s refusal to act to address the problem of millions of Americans suffering without health insurance and adequate coverage.

For example, if Congressional republicans were to agree to implement a single payer system, democrats and the WH would have no problem repealing the ACA and replacing it with an expanded Medicare program.

 

[dblack]

The right’s opposition to the ACA is purely partisan, having nothing to do with the merits of the Act, where repeal would be seen as a political blow against a president they despise.

By 'right', you seem to referring to partisan Republicans. So you're just restating your premise - partisan Republicans oppose ACA for partisan reasons. So what? The fact remains that many libertarians, independents and even a few honest democrats, oppose it for substantive reasons.

The fact that conservatives offer no viable alternative measure to ensure all Americans have insurance and access to healthcare is proof of this.

This is a disingenuous claim. First of all 'conservatives' offer, and have offered, many alternatives to an insurance industry bailout to deal with our health care problems. Second, you're presuming that ensuring all Americans have insurance should be the goal, which is actually at the heart of what is being disputed.

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

This charge be leveled more appropriately at the those who pushed ACA on the nation without building real consensus.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

No, it needs to be dealt with immediately. The deeper we 'invest' in the changes foisted on us by ACA the harder it will be to change them and to reverse the damage.

 

[birddog]

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

They’ve forgotten their responsibility is to do what’s best for the Nation, not their party.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

If something is wrong with the law. Why not fix it?

Then republicans should act to fund the government, once that responsibility is discharged they can work with Congressional democrats and the WH to address the Act’s deficiencies. Or they can offer their own legislation to ensure all Americans have coverage and healthcare.

The ACA is a republican plan, anyway - no reason why they can’t participate in improving it.

Fundamentally, the issue has nothing to do with the ACA, but the right’s refusal to act to address the problem of millions of Americans suffering without health insurance and adequate coverage.

For example, if Congressional republicans were to agree to implement a single payer system, democrats and the WH would have no problem repealing the ACA and replacing it with an expanded Medicare program.

Oh, cry me a river, you lying, misinformed dumbass!

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans want to shut down the Federal government and default on our national debt.

I wonder what the financial results of this will be.

I wonder what the election results in 2014, will be.





Gee, seems like the Republicans have become suicidal.

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

They’ve forgotten their responsibility is to do what’s best for the Nation, not their party.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

If something is wrong with the law. Why not fix it?

Why don't Republicans pass 40 bills to improve ACA rather than kill it

 

[dblack]

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

They’ve forgotten their responsibility is to do what’s best for the Nation, not their party.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

If something is wrong with the law. Why not fix it?

Why don't Republicans pass 40 bills to improve ACA rather than kill it

Because the premise of the law is fundamentally flawed.

 

[TooTall]

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

They’ve forgotten their responsibility is to do what’s best for the Nation, not their party.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

If something is wrong with the law. Why not fix it?

Why don't Republicans pass 40 bills to improve ACA rather than kill it

That is an easy one. The Senate would not bring it up for debate or a vote at the discretion of Obama's butt boy, the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid.

 

[Darkwind]

Republicans want to shut down the Federal government and default on our national debt.

I wonder what the financial results of this will be.

I wonder what the election results in 2014, will be.





Gee, seems like the Republicans have become suicidal.

They’ve clearly forgotten how to govern responsibly.

They’ve forgotten their responsibility is to do what’s best for the Nation, not their party.

And if they believe ‘getting rid’ of the ACA is what’s ‘best for the Nation,’ they’re at liberty to yet again address that issue at a later date, after they’ve ensured the government is properly funded.

Good drugs, eh?

They have already voted to ensure that the government is properly funded. They even sent the bill off to the Senate and everything.

 

[Darkwind]

If something is wrong with the law. Why not fix it?

Why don't Republicans pass 40 bills to improve ACA rather than kill it

That is an easy one. The Senate would not bring it up for debate or a vote at the discretion of Obama's butt boy, the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid.

Its even easier than that.

Doing away with Obamacare IS improving it.