GOP - the economy, the Middle East - it has nothing to do with us. It's Obama's!

[Peach]

Look at these right wing Republicans here on the USMB.

It's been 5.6 years since Obama because president. The destabilized Middle East, the screwed up economy, the many trillions in deficit, ISIS, the millions of jobs moved overseas from 2001 to 2008, the tens of thousands of factories closed when those jobs left. None of that has anything to do with us. They belong to your "messiah", Obama, who apparently can't work miracles.

Reminds me of the time my Great Dane crapped all over our neighbor's yard. Two days later, he said, "You have to help clean that up. Your dog did it". So I say, "That was two days ago. After two days, it's yours, I have nothing to do with it". So the yard now belongs to Obama. And instead of getting out of the way, Republicans take potshots to stop him from being effective.

Today's NEWS FLASH: Army's don't suddenly "materialize".

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Why the Iraqi army can't defeat ISIS

Rosenblatt said, "those second-in-command guys have very strong ties to Saddam's army." Acquiring lots of weapons, money, and experience over the course of the Syrian war allowed them to translate that new training into real military effectiveness.

It's hard to overstate how much of advantage this training and professionalism gives the Islamist group. "ISIS knows how to use smaller units" effectively against larger forces, says Smyth. They're "very efficient, and you have to deal with that."

This matters greatly. An undisciplined force, one whose movements aren't well coordinated or can't deploy proper tactics for taking city blocks, can be beaten by a much smaller opponent that knows what it's doing.

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Bush: 'I can't remember why we disbanded the Iraqi army'

Now we know where Saddam's well trained army went.

Republicans are the gift that just keep giving and giving and giving....................

So these USMB Republicans say "What would you do?"

All I can say is "I don't know". It's like a train going over a cliff. Halfway down, the guy who owns the train says, "Aren't you going to stop this? It's your cliff."

What does this add to the discussion of the situation? The "cut & ran" foolishness needs no 'counterpoint'.

 

[Sunni Man]

Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.

Totally incorrect Lezbo. ...


Saddam was a member of the Baath Party which was extremely secular and very opposed to Islamic fundamentalism of any type.

More women attended the universities and had more freedom's under Saddam than any other ME muslim country at the time. Plus, women were not required to wear the head scarf. (hijab)

The muslim extremists hated Saddam because of his unIslamic secular views and form of government. And he hated them. .....

 

[LiberalMedia]

Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.

Totally incorrect Lezbo. ...


Saddam was a member of the Baath Party which was extremely secular and very opposed to Islamic fundamentalism of any type.

More women attended the universities and had more freedom's under Saddam than any other ME muslim country at the time. Plus, women were not required to wear the head scarf. (hijab)

The muslim extremists hated Saddam because of his unIslamic secular views and form of government. And he hated them. .....

Bullshit, prove it. And if Saddam was such a secular hero, why did he murder his own pyyple, the Iraqi Kurds?

 

[rdean]

That's right, things get better after GOP rule and they had nothing to do with it, they won't even take responsibility for Boosh! or the GOP Congress...The GOP is not into taking personal responsibility, but it makes for a good ad pitch during campaigning..

History for conservatives goes like this:

Jesus came to the US and gave the founders the Constitution to establish a Christian Nation. Then the North attacked the poor south and took away their guns. Then Reagan came and kicked the asses of the commies and the unions. Everything was cool until Clinton got a blowjob. Then it really went to shit in 2009 with the election of a guy with an arab name.

The end.

Wow. So much GOP history in so few words.

You forgot, "Everything was perfect until Obama became president" illegally.

 

[Sunni Man]

Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.

Totally incorrect Lezbo. ...


Saddam was a member of the Baath Party which was extremely secular and very opposed to Islamic fundamentalism of any type.

More women attended the universities and had more freedom's under Saddam than any other ME muslim country at the time. Plus, women were not required to wear the head scarf. (hijab)

The muslim extremists hated Saddam because of his unIslamic secular views and form of government. And he hated them. .....

Bullshit, prove it. And if Saddam was such a secular hero, why did he murder his own pyyple, the Iraqi Kurds?

Geeeze.......you bull dykes are really dumb. ..


The Kurds weren't Saddam's people. Although they lived in northern Iraq. They are a different ethnic group from the Iraqi arabs and wanted to break away from Iraq to form their own country.

Saddam would have liked to kill all of the Kurds because they lived on top of huge oil reserves and he wanted them gone. But the Kurds were good fighters and Saddam never could oust them from the land.

 

[Sallow]

Sounds like shades of German reconstruction. Anyone remember the Marshall plan?

The calls to get out of Iraq is the cause of this. Sticking it out like we did everywhere else never even crossed nutjobs like Obama's mind. His problem is he believes in his ideology so deeply that rationality is thrown out the window. He wanted to be able to say he got us out of Iraq. The consequences be damned.

The Marshall plan never involved disbanding the military and making government officials unable to serve because of party affiliation.

Those were patently stupid things to do.

I never said it did.

It's easier to show leadership where it's needed and teaching Iraqis how to be successful than it is starting from scratch.

Anyone who's been around the military since Obama took office has witnessed an almost complete lack of leadership from the Whitehouse. I don't expect him to be any different when it comes to rebuilding an infrastructure, an economy, and a government in a foreign country.

Trillions spent, American Blood spilled..

Hows it working out? I mean, so far?

 

[Sallow]

Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.

Totally incorrect Lezbo. ...


Saddam was a member of the Baath Party which was extremely secular and very opposed to Islamic fundamentalism of any type.

More women attended the universities and had more freedom's under Saddam than any other ME muslim country at the time. Plus, women were not required to wear the head scarf. (hijab)

The muslim extremists hated Saddam because of his unIslamic secular views and form of government. And he hated them. .....

Bullshit, prove it. And if Saddam was such a secular hero, why did he murder his own pyyple, the Iraqi Kurds?

Sunni's pretty on the money with this.

And Kurds are "murdered" by most everyone in the region.

They are like Palestinians.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's hard to overstate how much of advantage this training and professionalism gives the Islamist group. "ISIS knows how to use smaller units" effectively against larger forces, says Smyth. They're "very efficient, and you have to deal with that."

The United States funded ISIS is Syria before they became ISIS.

ISIS Trained by US Government

So you gotta' ask yerself: "Why would the US fund then bomb a Terrorist Organisation?"

Or you can just take a side and be a political hack.

That's a very good link you have, demonstrating that John McCain (a Wrongpublican) was pysynylly involved in the training of these terrorists. One particular passage in the article stands out though, and I want to address that in case anyone missed it.

McCain was photographed with General Salim Idris, who was later expelled from the group because he was seen as too moderate for them. The new leader of the group is General Ibrahim al-Douri, who was the Vice-President of the Revolutionary Council under former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. He was supposed to be the successor to Hussein, and looks like this goal may still be reached.

Keep in mind that we're not talking about ISIS itself, but a group of Middle Easterners who were supposed to overthrow the al-Assad government in Syria in a Bay of Pigs-style re-invasion by "Syrian" expatriates. The old leader of this militant group was deemed as being "too moderate" and was thrown out, only to be replaced by a former Hussein bigwig.

Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.

You touched on the main point and then didn't offer a rebuke to the false premise of the thread, totally whitewashing Obama's involvement. McCain is pictured with a former leader who was kicked out of the group that eventually called themselves ISIS. Doesn't that have any baring at all on the change of direction the rebels took? Didn't the left accuse Reagan of the same thing? They accused him of training al Qaeda. This looks looked more of the SOS.

Somebody explain why Obama skates on any blame once again?

Could it be liberals trying to deflect criticism for their reckless actions?

Same ole same ole.

 

[mudwhistle]

Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.

Totally incorrect Lezbo. ...


Saddam was a member of the Baath Party which was extremely secular and very opposed to Islamic fundamentalism of any type.

More women attended the universities and had more freedom's under Saddam than any other ME muslim country at the time. Plus, women were not required to wear the head scarf. (hijab)

The muslim extremists hated Saddam because of his unIslamic secular views and form of government. And he hated them. .....

Bullshit, prove it. And if Saddam was such a secular hero, why did he murder his own pyyple, the Iraqi Kurds?

Because he's Sunni......

 

[mudwhistle]

The Marshall plan never involved disbanding the military and making government officials unable to serve because of party affiliation.

Those were patently stupid things to do.

I never said it did.

It's easier to show leadership where it's needed and teaching Iraqis how to be successful than it is starting from scratch.

Anyone who's been around the military since Obama took office has witnessed an almost complete lack of leadership from the Whitehouse. I don't expect him to be any different when it comes to rebuilding an infrastructure, an economy, and a government in a foreign country.

Trillions spent, American Blood spilled..

Hows it working out? I mean, so far?

Pretty good, till you tools put a professional troublemaker in the Oval Office.

 

[Machaut]

It's hard to overstate how much of advantage this training and professionalism gives the Islamist group. "ISIS knows how to use smaller units" effectively against larger forces, says Smyth. They're "very efficient, and you have to deal with that."

The United States funded ISIS is Syria before they became ISIS.

ISIS Trained by US Government

So you gotta' ask yerself: "Why would the US fund then bomb a Terrorist Organisation?"

Or you can just take a side and be a political hack.

That's a very good link you have, demonstrating that John McCain (a Wrongpublican) was pysynylly involved in the training of these terrorists. One particular passage in the article stands out though, and I want to address that in case anyone missed it.

McCain was photographed with General Salim Idris, who was later expelled from the group because he was seen as too moderate for them. The new leader of the group is General Ibrahim al-Douri, who was the Vice-President of the Revolutionary Council under former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. He was supposed to be the successor to Hussein, and looks like this goal may still be reached.

Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.

Except oh wait, that's not true at all. If anyone actually believes that Hussein was a "convert or kill" Muslim, let's look at what former Westboro Baptist Church preacher Fred Phelps (a rather hardcore Christian) had to say about Saddam Hussein:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Saddam_Hussein

In 1997 Phelps wrote a letter to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, praising his regime for being "the only Muslim state that allows the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to be freely and openly preached on the streets."[80] Furthermore, he stated that he would like to send a delegation to Baghdad to "preach the Gospel" for one week. Saddam granted permission, and a group of WBC congregants traveled to Iraq to protest against the U.S. The WBC members stood on the streets of Baghdad holding signs condemning both Bill and Hillary Clinton, as well as anal sex.[77]

The article you cited continues on to make three more disturbing proclamations:

Al-Douri has been on the US most wanted list since just shortly after the second Gulf War began, but many inside the United States government thought he was dead. This is clearly not the case.

Who thought he was dead? Just take a look at his Wikipedia page, it gives a full timeline of his life since the invasion. He's remained an at least semi-prominent figure in Iraqi politics and the insurgency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzat_Ibrahim_al-Douri

And by the way, al-Douri isn't part of ISIS. He's fighting against ISIS.

Baath in Iraq declares war on ISIS

Outlawed Baath party in Iraq announced, the war against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria “ISIS” organization because of the last displacement of Christians from Mosul city, the second largest city in Iraq, which is controlled by ISIS since 10th of last June.

The Ba'ath Party, as Sunni Man pointed out, is the party of Saddam Hussein. However, it is also the party of Bashar al-Assad. Al-Douri, Saddam's former VP, is fighting alongside Syria and against ISIS.

More from your article:

Most disturbing is that he seems to have a huge war chest at his disposal, which has come from US allies, including Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. These are all Sunni based countries which support the ISIS group.

The Saudis support ISIS? Since when?

"By Allah's leave our sheikh al-Baghdadi led Mecca stone for those who worship (pilgrims) will kill you and God ' I will tear down the Ka'ba, the place of worship,” the alleged ISIS militant said on the social media site, according to reports from Turkish media adding that those of the Islamic faith should not be worshipping 'stones.'"

ISIS wants to destroy the Kaaba in Mecca. Due to the Kaaba, Mecca is to Saudi Arabia what Orlando is to Florida--except that the Saudis have the added advantage of 1.6 billion people being religiously ordered to go there at least once in their lifetimes. I don't think that the Saudi government still supports ISIS, although at least a few rich Saudis still do. This leads into the next point:

Many are questioning why these nations would support this group, and it appears that they are acting this way out of frustration for President Barack Obama’s failure to oust Al-Assad.

This particular quote has a very peculiar implication. Let's re-read that bolded part.

President Barack Obama’s failure to oust Al-Assad.

His...failure? That means that he had taken on this as a task, and if Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar are mad that he has not finished, then it stands to reason that they must be at least part of the group that put him up to it. But why would they?

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar have something in common: They're all Sunni-run. Guess what their major enemies--Syria, Iraq, and Iran--have in common? Shi'a-majority, and Shi'a-run. ISIS is a Sunni outfit waging open war against Syria and Iraq, who are receiving aid from Iran, and have been from the beginning.

This isn't a ragtag group of terrorists. This is a well-funded, well-trained plan being executed perfectly. It's destabilizing specifically Shi'a areas, stealing their territory and trying to win the loyalty of their people. Any that are not loyal to ISIS certainly seem to be on the chopping block.

The fact that Saddam's former VP, al-Douri, is now fighting ISIS because of their murder of Christians should speak volumes as to the realities on the ground in that region. But then, no one really paid attention when the exact same things were happening in Libya. They bandwagoned against Gaddafi, just like they did against Saddam, just like they will against al-Douri, al-Assad, soon Iraq again, and eventually, Iran.

 

[mudwhistle]

The United States funded ISIS is Syria before they became ISIS.

ISIS Trained by US Government

So you gotta' ask yerself: "Why would the US fund then bomb a Terrorist Organisation?"

Or you can just take a side and be a political hack.

That's a very good link you have, demonstrating that John McCain (a Wrongpublican) was pysynylly involved in the training of these terrorists. One particular passage in the article stands out though, and I want to address that in case anyone missed it.



Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.

Except oh wait, that's not true at all. If anyone actually believes that Hussein was a "convert or kill" Muslim, let's look at what former Westboro Baptist Church preacher Fred Phelps (a rather hardcore Christian) had to say about Saddam Hussein:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Saddam_Hussein


The article you cited continues on to make three more disturbing proclamations:



Who thought he was dead? Just take a look at his Wikipedia page, it gives a full timeline of his life since the invasion. He's remained an at least semi-prominent figure in Iraqi politics and the insurgency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzat_Ibrahim_al-Douri

And by the way, al-Douri isn't part of ISIS. He's fighting against ISIS.

Baath in Iraq declares war on ISIS



The Ba'ath Party, as Sunni Man pointed out, is the party of Saddam Hussein. However, it is also the party of Bashar al-Assad. Al-Douri, Saddam's former VP, is fighting alongside Syria and against ISIS.

More from your article:



The Saudis support ISIS? Since when?

"By Allah's leave our sheikh al-Baghdadi led Mecca stone for those who worship (pilgrims) will kill you and God ' I will tear down the Ka'ba, the place of worship,” the alleged ISIS militant said on the social media site, according to reports from Turkish media adding that those of the Islamic faith should not be worshipping 'stones.'"

ISIS wants to destroy the Kaaba in Mecca. Due to the Kaaba, Mecca is to Saudi Arabia what Orlando is to Florida--except that the Saudis have the added advantage of 1.6 billion people being religiously ordered to go there at least once in their lifetimes. I don't think that the Saudi government still supports ISIS, although at least a few rich Saudis still do. This leads into the next point:

Many are questioning why these nations would support this group, and it appears that they are acting this way out of frustration for President Barack Obama’s failure to oust Al-Assad.

This particular quote has a very peculiar implication. Let's re-read that bolded part.

President Barack Obama’s failure to oust Al-Assad.

His...failure? That means that he had taken on this as a task, and if Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar are mad that he has not finished, then it stands to reason that they must be at least part of the group that put him up to it. But why would they?

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar have something in common: They're all Sunni-run. Guess what their major enemies--Syria, Iraq, and Iran--have in common? Shi'a-majority, and Shi'a-run. ISIS is a Sunni outfit waging open war against Syria and Iraq, who are receiving aid from Iran, and have been from the beginning.

This isn't a ragtag group of terrorists. This is a well-funded, well-trained plan being executed perfectly. It's destabilizing specifically Shi'a areas, stealing their territory and trying to win the loyalty of their people. Any that are not loyal to ISIS certainly seem to be on the chopping block.

The fact that Saddam's former VP, al-Douri, is now fighting ISIS because of their murder of Christians should speak volumes as to the realities on the ground in that region. But then, no one really paid attention when the exact same things were happening in Libya. They bandwagoned against Gaddafi, just like they did against Saddam, just like they will against al-Douri, al-Assad, soon Iraq again, and eventually, Iran.

I guess questioning everything that the media publishes is wise.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama has done more to help the cause of Islamic Jihad in the Middle East than even Osama bin Laden. Under Val Jarrett's leadership, AQ now controls vast section of the ME, has modern weapons that Obama left their for them, has gold and now has state sponsorship.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Rdean........in what year of Obama's second term should he start being held accountable for his job performance? ......

Dean does not think Obama or the Democrats make mistakes.....and even if he felt they did....do you think he would question them?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Rdean........in what year of Obama's second term should he start being held accountable for his job performance? ......

I agree. He should sue the do nothing congress.

nice dance Dean....was that a new 2 step Polka?...

 

[Harry Dresden]

That's right, things get better after GOP rule and they had nothing to do with it, they won't even take responsibility for Boosh! or the GOP Congress...The GOP is not into taking personal responsibility, but it makes for a good ad pitch during campaigning..

History for conservatives goes like this:

Jesus came to the US and gave the founders the Constitution to establish a Christian Nation. Then the North attacked the poor south and took away their guns. Then Reagan came and kicked the asses of the commies and the unions. Everything was cool until Clinton got a blowjob. Then it really went to shit in 2009 with the election of a guy with an arab name.

The end.

that Orange Sunshine must be some pretty good stuff......

 

[whitehall]

Look at these right wing Republicans here on the USMB.

It's been 5.6 years since Obama because president. The destabilized Middle East, the screwed up economy, the many trillions in deficit, ISIS, the millions of jobs moved overseas from 2001 to 2008, the tens of thousands of factories closed when those jobs left. None of that has anything to do with us. They belong to your "messiah", Obama, who apparently can't work miracles.

Reminds me of the time my Great Dane crapped all over our neighbor's yard. Two days later, he said, "You have to help clean that up. Your dog did it". So I say, "That was two days ago. After two days, it's yours, I have nothing to do with it". So the yard now belongs to Obama. And instead of getting out of the way, Republicans take potshots to stop him from being effective.

Today's NEWS FLASH: Army's don't suddenly "materialize".

-------------------------------------------------------------

Why the Iraqi army can't defeat ISIS

Rosenblatt said, "those second-in-command guys have very strong ties to Saddam's army." Acquiring lots of weapons, money, and experience over the course of the Syrian war allowed them to translate that new training into real military effectiveness.

It's hard to overstate how much of advantage this training and professionalism gives the Islamist group. "ISIS knows how to use smaller units" effectively against larger forces, says Smyth. They're "very efficient, and you have to deal with that."

This matters greatly. An undisciplined force, one whose movements aren't well coordinated or can't deploy proper tactics for taking city blocks, can be beaten by a much smaller opponent that knows what it's doing.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Bush: 'I can't remember why we disbanded the Iraqi army'

Now we know where Saddam's well trained army went.

Republicans are the gift that just keep giving and giving and giving....................

So these USMB Republicans say "What would you do?"

All I can say is "I don't know". It's like a train going over a cliff. Halfway down, the guy who owns the train says, "Aren't you going to stop this? It's your cliff."

Listen to yourselves lefties. With all the whining you would think Obama was just a bystander and the GOP was in charge. When the hell is the president and the dumb ass who runs the senate going to take responsibility for the mess we made in the Mid East, the border mess and dozen scandals. The median income for the middle class dropped 6% since Hussein took office.

 

[Machaut]

Obama has done more to help the cause of Islamic Jihad in the Middle East than even Osama bin Laden. Under Val Jarrett's leadership, AQ now controls vast section of the ME, has modern weapons that Obama left their for them, has gold and now has state sponsorship.

What "vast section" of the Middle East do they control? What state is sponsoring Al-Qaeda?

Other than the US, of course. I assume you're referring to a Middle Eastern nation as their beneficiary.

 

[Machaut]

Listen to yourselves lefties. With all the whining you would think Obama was just a bystander and the GOP was in charge. When the hell is the president and the dumb ass who runs the senate going to take responsibility for the mess we made in the Mid East, the border mess and dozen scandals. The median income for the middle class dropped 6% since Hussein took office.

As soon as the American people take responsibility for the mess we've made of our republic.

I'm guessing that we're within a few years of either reaching that point or proving beyond all doubt that it will never come.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Great... today's first rdean retard thread.