FredVegbarfuss
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No guns for me, it is mot part of my faith. But it would bebad to keep guns from being in people's possession.
Good thing Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment and banned guns.....these criminals would be getting shot all over the place.
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Blues Man
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And the fact is that not every defensive gun use results in a death. In fact the vast majority do not result in death because for the most part piece of shit criminals will run when they see their intended victim is armed.
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Vagabond63
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*Sigh* From your own source, "Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence."Oh, dear. Being lectured about a ''civilized society''.
United Kingdom Crime Facts & Stats
Find out how United Kingdom ranks internationally on Crime. Get the facts and compare to other countries!www.nationmaster.com
UK - Total crimes per 1000 population 109.96
United States Crime Facts & Stats
Find out how United States ranks internationally on Crime. Get the facts and compare to other countries!www.nationmaster.com
Great Satan - Total crimes per thousand 41.92
Gee whiz. You civilized folks are well more than twice as, you know, uncivilized as us here in the Great Satan.
We civilised people prefer to let the police handle matters than to take things into our own hands and shoot people we don't like.
Just out of curiosity, are you a Muslim, as you keep calling America the Great Satan?
Vagabond63
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So why not carry a blank firer or bb gun?
Blues Man
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Because that one time a piece of shit doesn't run is the time you get killed.
I've seen people hit with Tasers and not go down so a BB ain't going to stop anyone.
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Because when you need deadly force, there is no substitute.
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Yes. You copied and pasted that before. If you have a source to dispute the numbers, you can post that.
I'm not responsible for your hurt feelings.
Vagabond63
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Can't be bothered as even your own source contradicts you:
Countries Compared by Crime > Total crimes. International Statistics at NationMaster.com
<a href="../../../../graph-T/mil_not">Note</a>: <a href="../../../../cat/Crime">Crime</a> statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report <a href="../../../../cat/Crime">crime</a>, than actual prevalence.
www.nationmaster.com
Nationmaster is a poor website in any event.
Next?
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“Can’t be bothered”. What you’re really writing is, “can’t refute the numbers”.Can't be bothered as even your own source contradicts you:
Countries Compared by Crime > Total crimes. International Statistics at NationMaster.com
<a href="../../../../graph-T/mil_not">Note</a>: <a href="../../../../cat/Crime">Crime</a> statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report <a href="../../../../cat/Crime">crime</a>, than actual prevalence.www.nationmaster.com
Next?
Identify what is contradicted by the numbers.
Nation master is a poor website because the data hurts your feelings? Why is a website responsible for your hurt feelings?
Vagabond63
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But when do you need deadly force?
Arguing over a hat?
Lengthy prison term imposed in shooting case linked to stolen beanie
A drunken brawl outside a nightclub?
2 Men Killed In Shooting Outside Club Risqué In Philadelphia's Wissinoming Section, Police Say
Police say the shooting stemmed from a physical altercation outside of Club Risqué.
www.cbsnews.com
Family arguments at Christmas?
New York personal trainer arrested and accused of shooting his parents on Christmas
Dino Tomassetti, 29, was being held without bail in Bergen County Jail in New Jersey, pending extradition.
www.nbcnews.com
Punishing your daughter when she sneaks into your home late after a night out? 911 caller says husband shot 16-year-old daughter because he thought she was an intruder
If your Pizza is taking too long to cook? https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article256082512.html
When guns are so easy to obtain, it's not just the criminals you have to worry about.
Vagabond63
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No, I really can't be bothered as your own website contradicts your position/argument/rant. Too easy, but thanks for playing.
As to my feelings, I'm perfectly fine, you seem to be the one obsessed with "hurt feelings".
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But when do you need deadly force?
Arguing over a hat?
Lengthy prison term imposed in shooting case linked to stolen beanie
A drunken brawl outside a nightclub?
2 Men Killed In Shooting Outside Club Risqué In Philadelphia's Wissinoming Section, Police Say
Police say the shooting stemmed from a physical altercation outside of Club Risqué.
Family arguments at Christmas?
New York personal trainer arrested and accused of shooting his parents on Christmas
Dino Tomassetti, 29, was being held without bail in Bergen County Jail in New Jersey, pending extradition.
Punishing your daughter when she sneaks into your home late after a night out? 911 caller says husband shot 16-year-old daughter because he thought she was an intruder
If your Pizza is taking too long to cook? https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article256082512.html
When guns are so easy to obtain, it's not just the criminals you have to worry about.
When knives are easy to obtain.
Shouldn’t the government require you folks to turn in your table utensils for plastic dinnerware?
Ten charts on the rise of knife crime in England and Wales
Knife offences remain a major subject of public interest. But what are the facts?
www.bbc.com
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Yes. Your tender feelings are hurt so you’re forced to babble on about a “poor website”. You made no case where my own website, (note my use of bolded text for dramatic effect), contradicts the numbers so learn to deal with your hurt feelings.
Blues Man
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Maybe you want to actually learn the US laws on the use of deadly force for self defense.But when do you need deadly force?
Arguing over a hat?
Lengthy prison term imposed in shooting case linked to stolen beanie
A drunken brawl outside a nightclub?
2 Men Killed In Shooting Outside Club Risqué In Philadelphia's Wissinoming Section, Police Say
Police say the shooting stemmed from a physical altercation outside of Club Risqué.
Family arguments at Christmas?
New York personal trainer arrested and accused of shooting his parents on Christmas
Dino Tomassetti, 29, was being held without bail in Bergen County Jail in New Jersey, pending extradition.
Punishing your daughter when she sneaks into your home late after a night out? 911 caller says husband shot 16-year-old daughter because he thought she was an intruder
If your Pizza is taking too long to cook? https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article256082512.html
When guns are so easy to obtain, it's not just the criminals you have to worry about.
That way you won't sound so ignorant
Vagabond63
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Oh this is too easy, from your own source,
"Although knife crime is on the increase, it should be seen in context. It's relatively unusual for a violent incident to involve a knife, and rarer still for someone to need hospital treatment.
Most violence is caused by people hitting, kicking, shoving or slapping someone, sometimes during a fight and often when they're drunk; the police figures on violence also include crimes of harassment and stalking.
The Crime Survey for England and Wales, which includes offences that aren't reported to police, indicates that overall levels of violence have fallen by about a quarter since 2013."
Here's a freebie for you,
"However, the police-recorded statistics - which tend to pick up more "high harm" crimes - have indicated that the most serious violent crime is increasing."
However when you look deeper,
"The explanations for rising knife crime have ranged from police budget cuts, to gang violence and disputes between drug dealers."
Oh, here's the result of a ten second Google search,
Trump's knife crime claim: how do the US and UK compare?
Donald Trump has sought to defend the use of guns stateside by shining a light on knife crime in London. But is the UK really any worse than the US?
www.euronews.com
America's knife crime figures worse than Britain despite Republican's claims
Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed Britain has 'mass stabbings' while Donald Trump tried to suggest that the UK has an epidemic of knife crime comparable to the US's shootings problem
www.mirror.co.uk
Oh, if you want to read a good analysis, there's this.
Dispelling The Myth
Why The United Kingdom IS NOT More Violent Than The United States
dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com
Finally, I feel fine, thanks for asking.
Vagabond63
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Well either accidentally or deliberately, you missed my point. Having so many "normal" people able to own guns is a recipe for disaster. If you want to own a gun, you need to be trained on when and how to use it. There are thousands of examples of "normal" Americans misusing their guns or abusing their 2A rights. As an ex-gun owner myself, I've no objection to people owning guns, but they need some form of rigorous certification/training if they are to be allowed to carry them around on a daily basis.
Blues Man
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No it isn't really, But then again you Brits think having freedom of speech is a recipe for disaster so that tells me all I need to know about your opinions on freedom.
And in the US it is unconstitutional to require any form of payment in order to exercise a right. I bet you'd be OK with a poll tax too right?
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Oh, yes. This is too easy. The data shows that knife crimes in England and Wales are steadily increasing. Yes. As the data shows, "high harm" crimes - have indicated that the most serious violent crime is increasing."Oh this is too easy, from your own source,
"Although knife crime is on the increase, it should be seen in context. It's relatively unusual for a violent incident to involve a knife, and rarer still for someone to need hospital treatment.
Most violence is caused by people hitting, kicking, shoving or slapping someone, sometimes during a fight and often when they're drunk; the police figures on violence also include crimes of harassment and stalking.
The Crime Survey for England and Wales, which includes offences that aren't reported to police, indicates that overall levels of violence have fallen by about a quarter since 2013."
Here's a freebie for you,
"However, the police-recorded statistics - which tend to pick up more "high harm" crimes - have indicated that the most serious violent crime is increasing."
However when you look deeper,
"The explanations for rising knife crime have ranged from police budget cuts, to gang violence and disputes between drug dealers."
Oh, here's the result of a ten second Google search,
Trump's knife crime claim: how do the US and UK compare?
Donald Trump has sought to defend the use of guns stateside by shining a light on knife crime in London. But is the UK really any worse than the US?
America's knife crime figures worse than Britain despite Republican's claims
Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed Britain has 'mass stabbings' while Donald Trump tried to suggest that the UK has an epidemic of knife crime comparable to the US's shootings problem
Oh, if you want to read a good analysis, there's this.
Dispelling The Myth
Why The United Kingdom IS NOT More Violent Than The United States
Finally, I feel fine, thanks for asking.
Time for an "assault knife ban", in England and Wales.
Vagabond63
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Already in place, do keep up. Selling, buying and carrying knives and weapons
Vagabond63
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Maybe you want to actually learn the UK laws on freedom of speech.
That way you won't sound so ignorant
With every "right" there is a "responsibility"
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