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Why is that good?
Why is that good?
Why isn't it? Any type of policy that encourages people to give up smoking is good IMO....
Why is that good?
Why isn't it? Any type of policy that encourages people to give up smoking is good IMO....
Is it the government's job to encourage people to give up smoking? Or should the people be free to choose whether they want to smoke or not? I'm of the opinion that if you have to use force to spread morality then it becomes inherently immoral.
Why isn't it? Any type of policy that encourages people to give up smoking is good IMO....
Is it the government's job to encourage people to give up smoking? Or should the people be free to choose whether they want to smoke or not? I'm of the opinion that if you have to use force to spread morality then it becomes inherently immoral.
Both NZ and Australia have public AND private health insurance. If my tax dollars are funding the public health system, then smokers can help fund that system via a tax on their disgusting habit.
People are free to choose to smoke. Are they free to expect my tax dollars to pay for their hospital visits that are due to the direct result of their disgusting habit?
Why isn't it? Any type of policy that encourages people to give up smoking is good IMO....
Is it the government's job to encourage people to give up smoking? Or should the people be free to choose whether they want to smoke or not? I'm of the opinion that if you have to use force to spread morality then it becomes inherently immoral.
Both NZ and Australia have public AND private health insurance. If my tax dollars are funding the public health system, then smokers can help fund that system via a tax on their disgusting habit.
People are free to choose to smoke. Are they free to expect my tax dollars to pay for their hospital visits that are due to the direct result of their disgusting habit?
Why is that good?
Why isn't it? Any type of policy that encourages people to give up smoking is good IMO....
Is it the government's job to encourage people to give up smoking? Or should the people be free to choose whether they want to smoke or not? I'm of the opinion that if you have to use force to spread morality then it becomes inherently immoral.
Why isn't it? Any type of policy that encourages people to give up smoking is good IMO....
Is it the government's job to encourage people to give up smoking? Or should the people be free to choose whether they want to smoke or not? I'm of the opinion that if you have to use force to spread morality then it becomes inherently immoral.
Nobody's spreading morality. If a person chooses to smoke and put a burden on the healtcare system, then that person should pay for it through higher taxation.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because those governments have taken it upon themselves to force taxpayers to subsidize everybody's health care doesn't somehow make forcing smokers to pay a ridiculous amount for their cigarettes right.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because those governments have taken it upon themselves to force taxpayers to subsidize everybody's health care doesn't somehow make forcing smokers to pay a ridiculous amount for their cigarettes right.
The Gov't has been wasting your little bit of tax dollar for a long time so quit whinning and get over it.
The Gov't has been wasting your little bit of tax dollar for a long time so quit whinning and get over it.
STFU before I bitch-slap you back to your pond you retard. Adults are talking here....
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because those governments have taken it upon themselves to force taxpayers to subsidize everybody's health care doesn't somehow make forcing smokers to pay a ridiculous amount for their cigarettes right.
Your 'two wrongs' analogy doesn't fit down here because we live in a society that doesn't mind having a public health system, nor paying the tax dollars to fund it. What we do mind is people having particular habits that cause them to get sick, and expecting others to pay for it; and we also mind how the govt allocates the money, but that is a different story.
Of course it makes it right. We also have some car insurance companies down here who will charge more to people who have more car accidents. Do you think if somebody has five car accidents in five years and I have none, that our premiums should be the same? No way....doesn't work like that...down here anyway...
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because those governments have taken it upon themselves to force taxpayers to subsidize everybody's health care doesn't somehow make forcing smokers to pay a ridiculous amount for their cigarettes right.
the governments haven't 'taken it upon themselves to force the taxpayers to subsidize everybody's health care'. in every civilized country in the world, except for here, it is expected that no one be left without health care. as he pointed out, people can choose private medical care, too.
on the other hand, neither australia nor new zealand engaged in a 200 billion dollar war of choice.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because those governments have taken it upon themselves to force taxpayers to subsidize everybody's health care doesn't somehow make forcing smokers to pay a ridiculous amount for their cigarettes right.
the governments haven't 'taken it upon themselves to force the taxpayers to subsidize everybody's health care'. in every civilized country in the world, except for here, it is expected that no one be left without health care. as he pointed out, people can choose private medical care, too.
on the other hand, neither australia nor new zealand engaged in a 200 billion dollar war of choice.
Well since people can opt out of the public option there then will this hike in cigarette prices apply only to those on the public option? Of course not. It's one of the perverse situations created by socialized health care.
I'm not sure what the wars have to do with this issue.
the governments haven't 'taken it upon themselves to force the taxpayers to subsidize everybody's health care'. in every civilized country in the world, except for here, it is expected that no one be left without health care. as he pointed out, people can choose private medical care, too.
on the other hand, neither australia nor new zealand engaged in a 200 billion dollar war of choice.
Well since people can opt out of the public option there then will this hike in cigarette prices apply only to those on the public option? Of course not. It's one of the perverse situations created by socialized health care.
I'm not sure what the wars have to do with this issue.
because they could afford to provide health care because they weren't wasting their money on a war of choice.
i think that's a better priority
Well I'd certainly agree that providing health care is a more admirable goal than killing people, but the laws of economics don't change regardless. How about we cut the wars and the income tax, and then more people could afford their own health care?
Well I'd certainly agree that providing health care is a more admirable goal than killing people, but the laws of economics don't change regardless. How about we cut the wars and the income tax, and then more people could afford their own health care?
that isn't what most societies either want or expect. and it apparently works very well since we don't exactly have the best numbers in terms of health care.
Why isn't it? Any type of policy that encourages people to give up smoking is good IMO....
Is it the government's job to encourage people to give up smoking? Or should the people be free to choose whether they want to smoke or not? I'm of the opinion that if you have to use force to spread morality then it becomes inherently immoral.
Both NZ and Australia have public AND private health insurance. If my tax dollars are funding the public health system, then smokers can help fund that system via a tax on their disgusting habit.
People are free to choose to smoke. Are they free to expect my tax dollars to pay for their hospital visits that are due to the direct result of their disgusting habit?