Gone Guy: Ben Affleck Defends Islam Against Bill Maher

[2aguy]

All righties are not neo Nazis.

Actually, no "righties" are neo nazis...nazism is a leftist political system..."righties" in the American sense would be conservative/libertarian/tea party....not even close to being the American left...

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Debating an anti-Semitic is useless.

Reason and proper perspective are foreign to them

When I was a kid, anti-Semitism was pretty much relegated to the extreme fringe right. Today, it has become almost mainstream left considering the number of useful idiots that parrot the attitudes they see on hate sites.

I think the discussion between Maher and Affleck illustrates one very deep divide on the left in that Maher was arguing FOR something, namely liberal values, while Affleck only knows what he is against. There is a good portion of the left that follows suit in that they haven't the foggiest notion what liberalism actually entails, but damn, do they ever know they hate the man. Much of it stems from a deep sense of self loathing where all that anger is projected to their entire culture. We are always the bad guy,the west is evil, yada yada yada, and since they are against all that, and lack the intelligence necessary to understand much of anything at all, become accomplices to Islamists. The enemy of their enemy is their friend, and having sided with Islamists, they are quite willing to hate whoever Islamists hate. They hate Jews and they hate Neocons and they hate Christians and they hate right wingers and they hate conservatives, and so thorough is their hatred that they have no freaking idea what they actually stand FOR. Their knees are too busy jerking to ever form some sort of positive world view, so they fall prey to all the propaganda geared towards taking advantage of their reactive nature.

If loving dogs were ever associated with "right wing", "conservative", "neocon", etc., they would bash in the heads of a few puppies just to make sure.

 

[francoHFW]

All righties are not neo Nazis.

Actually, no "righties" are neo nazis...nazism is a leftist political system..."righties" in the American sense would be conservative/libertarian/tea party....not even close to being the American left...

You are what is known in political science as a brainwashed functional moron. Nazis just loved capitalist oligarchs and aristocrats. Hardly leftists. And their name was pure propaganda. idiot.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

 

[Mojo2]

Why are these actors so passionate to defend a religion they really know nothing about?

They are laboring under their Prime Directive:

Muslims must be deferred to.

Ben Affleck and the Hollywood Libtards are mostly all Dhimmi-dumb.

Let's see if, after all of this attention and hubbub, Affleck wisens up or if he, like most Liberals, will choose to remain ignorant.

 

[Mojo2]

The left is quick to paint Christianity with a wide brush over something that happened 200 years ago, but not Islam, even though Muslims are doing worse today. Christians never used bombs to murder innocent non-Christians, or flew jets into their cities, or threatened to totally wipe out an entire country with nuclear weapons.

I see constant examples of a lack of proper perspective in Hollywood and on the left.

Yep.

Since Islam is the PC-protected religion, the Left will pretty consistently do as you describe.

Then they'll get very, very angry and defensive when you point it out.

.

The on-screen lyrics to this video of Al Wilson's, "The Snake," are instructive.

 

[Kosh]

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..

 

[mudwhistle]

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..

He got the job because he talked the talk or sucked the cock.

 

[boilermaker55]

Why are others so passionate about defending a religion they practice at their own whims and use piece meal beliefs?
They don't study the religion they only practice the beliefs they choose.

Why are these actors so passionate to defend a religion they really know nothing about?

 

[Mojo2]

All righties are not neo Nazis.

Actually, no "righties" are neo nazis...nazism is a leftist political system..."righties" in the American sense would be conservative/libertarian/tea party....not even close to being the American left...

Show me an example of Conservatives trying to act like Hitler.

Then we'll ask posters to cite examples of Leftists trying to act like Hitler.

Then you'll see reality.

 

[boilermaker55]

Exactly how you got your job. Seems you know quite the amount of how to get a job from using this method.

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..

He got the job because he talked the talk or sucked the cock.

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..

He got the job because he talked the talk or sucked the cock.

 

[mudwhistle]

Exactly how you got your job. Seems you know quite the amount of how to get a job from using this method.

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..

He got the job because he talked the talk or sucked the cock.

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..

He got the job because he talked the talk or sucked the cock.

Wow, lousy cum-back.

 

[2aguy]

Nazis just loved capitalist oligarchs and aristocrats. Hardly leftists

Sadly, you probably went through democrat controlled public schools, were raised on movies made by democrats/socialists and recieve all of your news via democrat controlled news stations...

the nazis were not capitalists...they were socialists, believed in the state control of all business...as has been put forward...they just didn't need to have direct control of every business the way the international socialists did...

The nazis were of the left, the nazi party platform, if you bothered to read it...reads like the platform of the democrat party...

nazism, fascism, communism are all types of socialism...with different costumes and peculiarities due to the societies they come from....but they are all left wing and they are all socialism...

 

[2aguy]

Yes...something the left doesn't want people to realize...all of the mass murderers, the ones who killed millions of their own citizens...were leftists...from the national socialists in Germany to the communists in China, Russia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba....all leftists...

A Little Secret About the Nazis They were left-wing socialists like the modern left of today

Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an invention of hardline Communist Benito Mussolini. During World War I, Mussolini recognized that conventional socialism wasn't working. He saw that nationalism exerted a stronger pull on the working class than proletarian brotherhood. He also saw that the ferocious opposition of large corporations made socialist revolution difficult. So in 1919, Mussolini came up with an alternative strategy. He called it Fascism. Mussolini described his new movement as a ``Third Way'' between capitalism and communism. As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.

Hitler followed the same game plan. He openly acknowledged that the Nazi party was ``socialist'' and that its enemies were the ``bourgeoisie'' and the ``plutocrats'' (the rich). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler eliminated trade unions, and replaced them with his own state-run labor organizations. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler hunted down and exterminated rival leftist factions (such as the Communists). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler waged unrelenting war against small business.

Hitler regarded capitalism as an evil scheme of the Jews and said so in speech after speech. Karl Marx believed likewise. In his essay, ``On the Jewish Question,'' Marx theorized that eliminating Judaism would strike a crippling blow to capitalist exploitation. Hitler put Marx's theory to work in the death camps.

I know...years of lies told to you by your democrat teachers, movie stars, and news anchors...just look and you will see...

 

[boilermaker55]

Cannot take the truth.
You think your post was a monument of sarcasm !
Keep thinking, if that is what you think you are doing.

Exactly how you got your job. Seems you know quite the amount of how to get a job from using this method.

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..

He got the job because he talked the talk or sucked the cock.

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..

He got the job because he talked the talk or sucked the cock.

Wow, lousy cum-back.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The is a perfect example of the pervasiveness of liberalism run amok in Hollywood.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why are these actors so passionate to defend a religion they really know nothing about?

A religion which in its doctrine treats women as mere chattel.
And then these libs have the gall to accuse conservatives of waging a war on women.
HA!
If there is any subculture that wages a war on women it is the culture of the entertainment business.
Casting couch. Actresses who don't get hired because they don't do nude scenes. Women who no longer receive roles because of their age or their looks.
Sexism against women is rampant in entertainment circles.
Yet, this dunderhead is defending Islam because he can safely hide behind the veil of political correctness.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why are these actors so passionate to defend a religion they really know nothing about?

I would replace 'actors' with liberals. The actors just get air time.

Why are these actors so passionate to defend a religion they really know nothing about?

Another Loon from the Entertainment Industry who lives a privileged life insulated from reality lecturing us.

* yawn *

He makes lousy movies, too.

That's not what you low-info RWs say about such mental midgets as has been/never was, wannabe Pootarain Steven Seagall, child pedophile Ted Nugent, child predator Duck Dynasty, ad nauseum.

So how come RW anti-Americans should be heard but not liberals?

In any event, it was an interesting debate. What's the big deal?

First your wild unsubstantiated accusations should be enough to get you kicked out of here. Permanently. No one has the right to state the things you did about anyone without PROOF. None of which you have presented.
This is How you libs operate. Throw mud against the wall to see what sticks. You fire off these crackpot statements with the idea of steering the conversation away from the central issue. That's not going to happen.

Are you fucking kidding? Hollywood is loaded with libs.. Almost every network tv show goes out of its way to push the liberal agenda.
Don't you DARE state liberals have no voice. That is 100% unadulterated bullshit.

 

[francoHFW]

Nazis just loved capitalist oligarchs and aristocrats. Hardly leftists

Sadly, you probably went through democrat controlled public schools, were raised on movies made by democrats/socialists and recieve all of your news via democrat controlled news stations...

the nazis were not capitalists...they were socialists, believed in the state control of all business...as has been put forward...they just didn't need to have direct control of every business the way the international socialists did...

The nazis were of the left, the nazi party platform, if you bothered to read it...reads like the platform of the democrat party...

nazism, fascism, communism are all types of socialism...with different costumes and peculiarities due to the societies they come from....but they are all left wing and they are all socialism...

Yup, all PoliSci is bs before Glenn Beck and Liberal Fascism came along. Functional morons.

The first thing about "socialism" since Stalinism was revealed in the thirties is that it is DEMOCRATIC, and NOT communism. Die off, cold war dinosaurs/hater dupes. Or read something. Ay caramba!

 

[Penelope]

Why are these actors so passionate to defend a religion they really know nothing about?

A religion which in its doctrine treats women as mere chattel.
And then these libs have the gall to accuse conservatives of waging a war on women.
HA!
If there is any subculture that wages a war on women it is the culture of the entertainment business.
Casting couch. Actresses who don't get hired because they don't do nude scenes. Women who no longer receive roles because of their age or their looks.
Sexism against women is rampant in entertainment circles.
Yet, this dunderhead is defending Islam because he can safely hide behind the veil of political correctness.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.[/QUOTE]

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck[/QUOTE]\

Not to mention that he should not be batman in the new batman vs superman movie..[/QUOTE]

Ben Affleck Furiously Defends Islam on Bill Maher Show
Actor outraged after author Sam Harris calls Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas'

• 
  
  By Tom Porter
  October 5, 2014 17:52 BST
• 652 17

Ben Affleck on last night's Bill Maher show. (HBO)
Film star Ben Affleck engaged in a furious debate with author Sam Harris and TV host Bill Maher, accusing his opponents of racism after Harris called Islam 'the motherload of bad ideas.'

The trio clashed on HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher when the subject of Islamophobia came up.

Harris, who was on the show promoting his book Waking Up, said: "Liberals have failed on the topic of theocracy. They'll criticize white theocracy, they'll criticize Christianity. They still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984.

"The crucial point of confusion is we have been sold this meme of Islamaphobia – where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam is conflated with bigotry towards Muslims as people. Which is intellectually ridiculous."

Affleck responds by saying, "You are saying that Islamaphobia is not a real thing? It's gross, it's racist. It's like saying 'that shifty Jew'."

Harris responds: "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas and Islam at this moment is the motherload of bad ideas."




Visibly irate, the Oscar-winning director sits back in his chair and said: "It's an ugly thing to say."

Supporting Harris' position, Maher continues the conversation: "Let's get down to who has the right answer. A billion people you say, all these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. That's just not true Ben, that's just not true."

Affleck responds: "The people who actually believe that you should murder someone if you dishonor the Islamic faith is not with the majority of Muslims at all."

Arguing for the prevalence of illiberal ideas in Islam, Harris says: "At the center of the circle you have jihadists who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, wanting to die trying, they believe in Paradise, they believe in martyrdom.

"Outside of this you have Islamists. People who are just convinced of martyrdom and Paradise and wanting to force their religion on the rest of humanity.

"But they want to work with in the system and they are not willing to blow themselves up on a bus. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

"Those two circles are arguably 20% of the Muslim world. Based on a bunch of polls that we can talk about.

"To give you one point of contact, 78% of British Muslims said the Danish cartoonist (who was accused of depicting the prophet Mohammad in an animation) should have been prosecuted.

"But outside of that we have conservative Muslims who say that 'Isis does not represent us, that we are horrified by that'. But they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals are deeply troubling.

"These are not Islamists, these are not jihadists. They also keep women and homosexuals immiserated in those cultures.

"And we have to empower the true Muslim reformers in the world to change it. This behaviour is not going to do that."

Affleck responds: "How about the more than a billion people who aren't fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, and don't do any of the things you say all Muslims do?"

Maher: Islam acts 'like the Mafia'

Michael Steele, a political analyst for MSNBC and former chairperson of the Republican National Congress, defended Affleck saying that moderate Muslim voices do not receive as much coverage as radical ones.

Maher responds to this by saying: "One reason they [other views] don't get exposed is because they are afraid to speak out. Because it's the only religion that acts like the Mafia. That will f***ing kill if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book."

Seeking an explanation, Affleck then asks the panelists: "What is you answer? Is it just to condemn Islam? We've killed more Muslims than they have killed us by an awful lot."

After 10 minutes of debate, Maher moves the show on, remarking that the panel will never see eye-to-eye.

Throughout his career, Bill Maher has repeatedly been highly critical of religion. After the World Trade Center attack by terrorists, Maher called himself as a "9/11 Liberal": a liberal who views Islam as dangerous.

Maher is also a board member of Project Reason – an organisation aiming to promote scientific knowledge and debunking religious beliefs – which Sam Harris founded.

Shows you how stupid Affleck is ... Islam is not a race.

What a dumbfuck

Yes he may of ruined his career in the Jewish run Hollywood, speaking pro Muslim garbage,
Hollywood producer Arnon Milchan, the jewish spy.
Spielberg, Woody Allen. Oh I could go on , but I won't.