God... Is Time.

[Hollie]

Faith is not a requirement to perceive the present.

Faith is required to believe what is not observable. You can't observe the moment of present time. You have a perception of it in the past.

False. Your silliness has been corrected previously. You apparently feel that spamming the thread with your same cut and paste nonsense, your silliness will, by magic, come true.

The force of gravity, electromagnetism are forces we cannot directly observe, yet, there is no requirement for faith to perceive the existence of those forces.

It's remarkable that you are wholly unable to learn from experience.

 

[edthecynic]

The EFFECTS of gravity is what gravity IS, stupid! We observe it, we measure it, we do calculations with it all the time. It is not something that isn't observable.

We don't observe the present, we can't observe it because of physics. All human observation depends on time happening and if time is happening, you are not in the moment of present time.

Like we observe the effects of gravity, we observe the effects of time moving from present to past. Like it takes no faith to observe the effects of gravity, it takes no faith to observe the effects of time.

Wrong... We observe the effects of time moving from immediate past to a more distant past. We cannot observe the moment of present time. We do have faith that the moment of present time is as we are perceiving it to be, but we cannot verify this because we cannot observe the present moment of time. Faith is essential.

All you are doing is redefining the present as the immediate past, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

Well Eddy, no I'm really not doing that. YOU want to redefine "the present" to include the immediate past and I won't let you get away with it. You are making a fool out of yourself. The moment of present time cannot be observed due to physics. All we can have is perception which is created after time has passed.

You have not overcome that stark fact of reality which is the basis of the thread OP. Stomping your feet and throwing a fit will not change that. Calling me names and acting like I've not made the argument will not suffice.

Sorry Sucker, "The present" is the present and not "the immediate past." I won't let you get away with redefining words to suite your doublespeak.

 

[Boss]

Well, youre the one who didnt know that the past was once the present.

Well I still don't know that it is, you haven't proven it and you can't due to physics. All you can prove is the past is the former perception of the present you had. Since you cannot observe the moment of present time, you cannot prove the present is as you perceived it.

 

[edthecynic]

It's a fact that everything you did was in the past and not the present moment of time.

It is also a fact that everything you are DOING is in the present, no observation required, just the doing!

 

[Boss]

The EFFECTS of gravity is what gravity IS, stupid! We observe it, we measure it, we do calculations with it all the time. It is not something that isn't observable.

We don't observe the present, we can't observe it because of physics. All human observation depends on time happening and if time is happening, you are not in the moment of present time.

Like we observe the effects of gravity, we observe the effects of time moving from present to past. Like it takes no faith to observe the effects of gravity, it takes no faith to observe the effects of time.

Wrong... We observe the effects of time moving from immediate past to a more distant past. We cannot observe the moment of present time. We do have faith that the moment of present time is as we are perceiving it to be, but we cannot verify this because we cannot observe the present moment of time. Faith is essential.

All you are doing is redefining the present as the immediate past, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

Well Eddy, no I'm really not doing that. YOU want to redefine "the present" to include the immediate past and I won't let you get away with it. You are making a fool out of yourself. The moment of present time cannot be observed due to physics. All we can have is perception which is created after time has passed.

You have not overcome that stark fact of reality which is the basis of the thread OP. Stomping your feet and throwing a fit will not change that. Calling me names and acting like I've not made the argument will not suffice.

Sorry Sucker, "The present" is the present and not "the immediate past." I won't let you get away with redefining words to suite your doublespeak.

Well if the present is the present then it's not the immediate past. So when do you have observation of the present?

 

[Boss]

The EFFECTS of gravity is what gravity IS, stupid! We observe it, we measure it, we do calculations with it all the time. It is not something that isn't observable.

We don't observe the present, we can't observe it because of physics. All human observation depends on time happening and if time is happening, you are not in the moment of present time.

Like we observe the effects of gravity, we observe the effects of time moving from present to past. Like it takes no faith to observe the effects of gravity, it takes no faith to observe the effects of time.

Wrong... We observe the effects of time moving from immediate past to a more distant past. We cannot observe the moment of present time. We do have faith that the moment of present time is as we are perceiving it to be, but we cannot verify this because we cannot observe the present moment of time. Faith is essential.

All you are doing is redefining the present as the immediate past, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

Well Eddy, no I'm really not doing that. YOU want to redefine "the present" to include the immediate past and I won't let you get away with it. You are making a fool out of yourself. The moment of present time cannot be observed due to physics. All we can have is perception which is created after time has passed.

You have not overcome that stark fact of reality which is the basis of the thread OP. Stomping your feet and throwing a fit will not change that. Calling me names and acting like I've not made the argument will not suffice.

Sorry Sucker, "The present" is the present and not "the immediate past." I won't let you get away with redefining words to suite your doublespeak.

Well if the present is the present then it's not the immediate past. So when do you have observation of the present?

 

[Boss]

The EFFECTS of gravity is what gravity IS, stupid! We observe it, we measure it, we do calculations with it all the time. It is not something that isn't observable.

We don't observe the present, we can't observe it because of physics. All human observation depends on time happening and if time is happening, you are not in the moment of present time.

Like we observe the effects of gravity, we observe the effects of time moving from present to past. Like it takes no faith to observe the effects of gravity, it takes no faith to observe the effects of time.

Wrong... We observe the effects of time moving from immediate past to a more distant past. We cannot observe the moment of present time. We do have faith that the moment of present time is as we are perceiving it to be, but we cannot verify this because we cannot observe the present moment of time. Faith is essential.

All you are doing is redefining the present as the immediate past, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

Well Eddy, no I'm really not doing that. YOU want to redefine "the present" to include the immediate past and I won't let you get away with it. You are making a fool out of yourself. The moment of present time cannot be observed due to physics. All we can have is perception which is created after time has passed.

You have not overcome that stark fact of reality which is the basis of the thread OP. Stomping your feet and throwing a fit will not change that. Calling me names and acting like I've not made the argument will not suffice.

Sorry Sucker, "The present" is the present and not "the immediate past." I won't let you get away with redefining words to suite your doublespeak.

Well if the present is the present then it's not the immediate past. So when do you have observation of the present?

 

[edthecynic]

Like we observe the effects of gravity, we observe the effects of time moving from present to past. Like it takes no faith to observe the effects of gravity, it takes no faith to observe the effects of time.

Wrong... We observe the effects of time moving from immediate past to a more distant past. We cannot observe the moment of present time. We do have faith that the moment of present time is as we are perceiving it to be, but we cannot verify this because we cannot observe the present moment of time. Faith is essential.

All you are doing is redefining the present as the immediate past, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

Well Eddy, no I'm really not doing that. YOU want to redefine "the present" to include the immediate past and I won't let you get away with it. You are making a fool out of yourself. The moment of present time cannot be observed due to physics. All we can have is perception which is created after time has passed.

You have not overcome that stark fact of reality which is the basis of the thread OP. Stomping your feet and throwing a fit will not change that. Calling me names and acting like I've not made the argument will not suffice.

Sorry Sucker, "The present" is the present and not "the immediate past." I won't let you get away with redefining words to suite your doublespeak.

Well if the present is the present then it's not the immediate past. So when do you have observation of the present?

You don't need to observe the present for it to be the present. You could say we live in the present blindly!

 

[Boss]

Wrong... We observe the effects of time moving from immediate past to a more distant past. We cannot observe the moment of present time. We do have faith that the moment of present time is as we are perceiving it to be, but we cannot verify this because we cannot observe the present moment of time. Faith is essential.

All you are doing is redefining the present as the immediate past, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

Well Eddy, no I'm really not doing that. YOU want to redefine "the present" to include the immediate past and I won't let you get away with it. You are making a fool out of yourself. The moment of present time cannot be observed due to physics. All we can have is perception which is created after time has passed.

You have not overcome that stark fact of reality which is the basis of the thread OP. Stomping your feet and throwing a fit will not change that. Calling me names and acting like I've not made the argument will not suffice.

Sorry Sucker, "The present" is the present and not "the immediate past." I won't let you get away with redefining words to suite your doublespeak.

Well if the present is the present then it's not the immediate past. So when do you have observation of the present?

You don't need to observe the present for it to be the present. You could say we live in the present blindly!

You also don't have to observe God for God to be God.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Science can evaluate gravity in spite of the force of gravity not being observed.

You are an idiot if you don't think gravitational force is observable!

she fell flat on her face with that one.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

There within lay the eternal question a three year old might ask in Sunday school: WHAT made GOD? Well, wise guy?

an appropriate question for a three year old to ask....an adult, not so much......nothing made God, an eternal deity does not need a maker as he does not have a beginning.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

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Yes, we can observe the present.

looking back, you may well be wrong.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

Where DID God come from? Pulled himself out of his hat? Scary thing is, science doesn't know what caused the big bang, either. You can't get something out of nothing. Matter is like 99.99 percent nothing. Perhaps the multiverse doesn't need a God because perhaps, it just always existed.

science tells us THIS universe did not always exist.....science cannot tell us that a deity did not always exist......someTHING cannot come from noTHING.....but if the deity is not a THING, that rule has no application......

 

[Hollie]

Science can evaluate gravity in spite of the force of gravity not being observed.

You are an idiot if you don't think gravitational force is observable!

she fell flat on her face with that one.....

You're pointlessness derives from you not paying attention.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Already in the past =/= unobservable.

You cannot and have not made that case.

as I understand it, the case he has made is not that it is unobservable, but that if it is already in the past it isn't observed in the present....

 

[Hollie]

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Yes, we can observe the present.

looking back, you may well be wrong.....

Looking back, you're as pointless as always.

 

[PostmodernProph]

The EFFECTS of gravity is what gravity IS, stupid! We observe it, we measure it, we do calculations with it all the time. It is not something that isn't observable.

We don't observe the present, we can't observe it because of physics. All human observation depends on time happening and if time is happening, you are not in the moment of present time.

Like we observe the effects of gravity, we observe the effects of time moving from present to past. Like it takes no faith to observe the effects of gravity, it takes no faith to observe the effects of time.

Wrong... We observe the effects of time moving from immediate past to a more distant past. We cannot observe the moment of present time. We do have faith that the moment of present time is as we are perceiving it to be, but we cannot verify this because we cannot observe the present moment of time. Faith is essential.

All you are doing is redefining the present as the immediate past, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

how long does your "present" last....a second?.....an hour?....two weeks?.......Boss is simply arguing that the "present" exists only for an instant......

 

[Hollie]

All you are doing is redefining the present as the immediate past, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

Well Eddy, no I'm really not doing that. YOU want to redefine "the present" to include the immediate past and I won't let you get away with it. You are making a fool out of yourself. The moment of present time cannot be observed due to physics. All we can have is perception which is created after time has passed.

You have not overcome that stark fact of reality which is the basis of the thread OP. Stomping your feet and throwing a fit will not change that. Calling me names and acting like I've not made the argument will not suffice.

Sorry Sucker, "The present" is the present and not "the immediate past." I won't let you get away with redefining words to suite your doublespeak.

Well if the present is the present then it's not the immediate past. So when do you have observation of the present?

You don't need to observe the present for it to be the present. You could say we live in the present blindly!

You also don't have to observe God for God to be God.

You also can invent all the gawds and spirit realms you wish. There's just no reason to accept them as true.

 

[PostmodernProph]

[
Yes, we can observe the present.

looking back, you may well be wrong.....

Looking back, you're as pointless as always.

you've said that in the past........