Go Fund Me took the Canadian truckers money and will be giving it to their approved charities.

[Theowl32]

Yet they allowed a funding to be raised for the filthy ape that killed those people in the parade. Remember that? Anyone remember the name of the 6 year old that the ape killed? Ahhhh, but George Floyd.....



Oh yeah and that filthy ape had been arrested a few weeks before for running over the mother of his child.

But

Go fund me allowed their platform to be used to raise money for no other reason than negro privilege and political correctness.

Don't you love too how all of these rallies around the world are being called racist? That is so locked into their vernacular it is impossible for them to break free from it.

 

[JohnDB]

So is that money going to "Libertarians for Vaccine Mandates" or "Transexual Kindergarten Teachers" or some such?

 

[Gracie]

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/098/180/532/original/fecfdacda5c9fe74.mp4

Ottawa Police returning all fuel they took from the Truckers by Judges Order

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Some doctors have already stopped seeing patients that are unvaxxed.

I thought healthcare was a right. If a doctor refuses to treat an unvaxed person then he apparently does not adhere to the principle himself.

This brings up three important questions:

1.) What if the person cannot afford out of pocket? What then?

2.) What if healthcare becomes socialized, as many hope for? Will the government continue to deny this right to unvaxed?

3.) Vaxed people are still getting and transmitting Covid so what is the point?

They won't deny treatment they just wont pay for it.

You already said some doctors are denying treatment.

Yes it is.
They aren't denying treatment.

Yet some doctors are.

Well, you get a reward for obeying facebook, twitter, Carlson, Hannity, Rogan or whomever too....................a bill.

What?

No, it doesn't.
Universal is one way.
Paying out of pocket is not universal.

A question: What was the premise behind the concept of universal healthcare?

Answer: Providing healthcare to everyone, including those who did not have insurance or otherwise couldn’t afford medical care.

So how do you justify denying healthcare or refusing to pay for healthcare, thus violating the very principle behind universal healthcare? What do you then do with those who cannot afford out of pocket?

Correct.
You didn't state that before.

"Either healthcare is a right or it is not. You can’t have it both ways".

Right. I’m arguing from the position that socialized medicine may one day be a reality. If it does, neither doctors nor the government will legally be able to deny healthcare to unvaxed or anyone.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

I thought healthcare was a right. If a doctor refuses to treat an unvaxed person then he apparently does not adhere to the principle himself.

They are private practitioners, they can serve or reject whomever they want.
Hospitals or chain walk-in clinics, they can't........................YET.

This brings up three important questions:

1.) What if the person cannot afford out of pocket? What then?

Just like now, if you can't afford the office visit, you won't be seen or treated.
If you do go to the hospital, you will get a bill.

2.) What if healthcare becomes socialized, as many hope for? Will the government continue to deny this right to unvaxed?

IDK.

3.) Vaxed people are still getting and transmitting Covid so what is the point?



You already said some doctors are denying treatment.

YES, in private practice.............So far.

Yet some doctors are.


What?

You are obviously getting your vaccine information from somewhere, that your reward for listening to them...............A bill for treatment, if you choose to be treated.

A question: What was the premise behind the concept of universal healthcare?

Answer: Providing healthcare to everyone, including those who did not have insurance or otherwise couldn’t afford medical care.

So how do you justify denying healthcare or refusing to pay for healthcare, thus violating the very principle behind universal healthcare?

Universal healthcare isn't here in the US, yet.
Right now, insurance companies can deny a claim just like any other, then you get a bill.
Right now, the hospitals will keep you alive maybe, but beyond that, not much else.

What do you then do with those who cannot afford out of pocket?

See above or if you go to a for-profit, walk-in clinic, you won't be seen or treated, they may call an ambulance for you.

Right. I’m arguing from the position that socialized medicine may one day be a reality. If it does, neither doctors nor the government will legally be able to deny healthcare to unvaxed or anyone.

IDK about that, that reality is light-years away, let alone even drafting the contents of the bill.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

They are private practitioners, they can serve or reject whomever they want.
Hospitals or chain walk-in clinics, they can't........................YET.

I understand that. But they are denying healthcare nevertheless.

What’s more, they are denying healthcare to people who will not take a vaccine (a misnomer btw; it’s a shot, not a vaccine) that will neither prevent them from contracting Covid, prevent them from transmitting it and may not prevent them from dying.

Just like now, if you can't afford the office visit, you won't be seen or treated.
If you do go to the hospital, you will get a bill.

That some can’t afford, which was the whole point behind Obamacare.

You are obviously getting your vaccine information from somewhere, that your reward for listening to them...............A bill for treatment, if you choose to be treated.

Again, what?

You know what, don’t answer that. I really don’t care.

Universal healthcare isn't here in the US, yet.

You just said a couple of posts back:

“Everyone right now, has a right to healthcare..........Affording it?
Not so much.”

Universal healthcare is, by definition, healthcare for all. You said then that everybody has the right to healthcare and now you’re saying we don’t have universal healthcare in the U.S.. So which is it?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

I understand that. But they are denying healthcare nevertheless.

SO.
Do you want to force a doctor to treat you?

What’s more, they are denying healthcare to people who will not take a vaccine (a misnomer btw; it’s a shot, not a vaccine) that will neither prevent them from contracting Covid, prevent them from transmitting it and may not prevent them from dying.

YOUR opinion.
They have theirs.

That some can’t afford, which was the whole point behind Obamacare.


Again, what?

You know what, don’t answer that. I really don’t care.


You just said a couple of posts back:

“Everyone right now, has a right to healthcare..........Affording it?
Not so much.”

Universal healthcare is, by definition, healthcare for all. You said then that everybody has the right to healthcare and now you’re saying we don’t have universal healthcare in the U.S.. So which is it?

WTF?
It isn't "which", it's only one.
Everyone does have a right to healthcare, in a hospital, if you don't have insurance, YOU get and pay a bill.
If you go into a walk-in clinic or a private doctor, without insurance, they may see you and send you a bill.
We don't have universal healthcare, where you DON'T pay a bill.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

SO.
Do you want to force a doctor to treat you?

Not really. But then, do I want to be forced to get a shot I don’t want through societal pressure and coercion via threats of job termination or refusal to pay for healthcare? Absolutely not.

YOUR opinion.
They have theirs.

That is most assuredly NOT a mere opinion. We already know for a fact the shot does not prevent infection, nor does it stop transmission, nor is it a guarantee against death. What’s more, the shot was touted as a vaccine in the beginning - meaning it would prevent infection - but as it turns out, that is not true.

They don’t know what the **** to do with this virus and they never did.

In addition to all this, the majority of people infected with Covid are asymptomatic or the cases are so mild that hospitalization and even doctor visits are not necessary.

Given all this, there is no reasonable basis on which a doctor should deny treatment or insurance refuses to pay.

WTF?
It isn't "which", it's only one.
Everyone does have a right to healthcare, in a hospital, if you don't have insurance, YOU get and pay a bill.
If you go into a walk-in clinic or a private doctor, without insurance, they may see you and send you a bill.
We don't have universal healthcare, where you DON'T pay a bill.

Universal healthcare is defined as healthcare for all, which you previously said we already have. Meaning, everyone has a right to healthcare. Now you’re saying we don’t have universal healthcare.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Not really. But then, do I want to be forced to get a shot I don’t want through societal pressure and coercion via threats of job termination or refusal to pay for healthcare? Absolutely not.

OMG, the pressure.

That is most assuredly NOT a mere opinion. We already know for a fact the shot does not prevent infection, nor does it stop transmission, nor is it a guarantee against death.

No, it doesn't.

What’s more, the shot was touted as a vaccine in the beginning - meaning it would prevent infection - but as it turns out, that is not true.

You don't know how vaccines work.

They don’t know what the **** to do with this virus and they never did.

In addition to all this, the majority of people infected with Covid are asymptomatic or the cases are so mild that hospitalization and even doctor visits are not necessary.

Given all this, there is no reasonable basis on which a doctor should deny treatment or insurance refuses to pay.

Why not, they are a private company.
A lawyer can refuse to represent you, even though you have a right to representation in court.

Universal healthcare is defined as healthcare for all, which you previously said we already have.

NO, I didn't.

Meaning, everyone has a right to healthcare.

No, it doesn't.
A right to healthcare means you aren't being denied the right to inquire to be treated, it doesn't mean you're going to get it.

Now you’re saying we don’t have universal healthcare.

We don't.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

OMG, the pressure.

If that’s the word for shaming or guilting people to get a shot they don’t trust, so be it.

No, it doesn't.

So why are doctors refusing unvaxed people

You don't know how vaccines work.

I’m afraid I do. But even if I don’t, the narrative at the time led people to believe that the shot would protect them.

Why not, they are a private company.
A lawyer can refuse to represent you, even though you have a right to representation in court.

I didn’t say they don’t have the legal right to deny healthcare, I said they have no reasonable basis to deny healthcare to unvaxed given what we now know about the shot’s effectiveness.

NO, I didn't.

Yes, you did. You made a point that everyone has a right to healthcare but that it doesn’t mean insurance will pay; that you may have to pay out of pocket.

No, it doesn't.
A right to healthcare means you aren't being denied the right to inquire to be treated, it doesn't mean you're going to get it.

So now you’re saying we don’t have a right to healthcare but everyone has the right to ASK for it? Are you ******* kidding me?

We don't.

You said in an earlier post that everyone has the right to healthcare.

I quote from post #358:

“Everyone right now, has a right to healthcare..........Affording it?
Not so much.”

Maybe you don’t understand the concept of rights. A right to healthcare means you have a right to healthcare. It does not mean you have a right to healthcare only if you can afford it.

What you’re saying is that we don’t have a right to healthcare but that we have a right to buy it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Well ain't that some shady goings-on.

Reminds me of the feds that claimed there was a "domestic terrorist" threat for Lobby Day here in Virginia a couple of years back that prompted Klanrobe's "state of emergency" that proved unfounded.

UPDATE: GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

They should be happy they’re leaving with their livelihoods intact. I would’ve taken their CDLs.
You lost. Now **** off.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The police instigate violence and then turn them in for violence.

The option to leave was always there.The ever so patient Canadian police literally begged them to leave.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

They should be happy they’re leaving with their livelihoods intact. I would’ve taken their CDLs.

Which only goes to show why tyrannical left wrong-wing filth such as yourself do not belong anywhere near any position of power or authority.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I'm not going to bother checking but it would be interesting to see their list of approved "charities".....I figure the dems are already jockeying for it to go to their various slush fund "charities".

Terms of service.

Trucker Convoy needs to sue them for a billion dollars

Trucker convoy can’t afford gas.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Aged?Which only goes to show why tyrannical left wrong-wing filth such as yourself do not belong anywhere near any position of power or authority.

Billions of dollars of commerce were affected. Do you honestly believe that would be tolerated? They got off lucky. Go home and say your prayers of gratitude.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That shit is already locked down. Pound sand, rubes.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Really pisses you Leftards that blue collar workers are standing up against the establishment

It pisses me off that these workers are dumb enough be talked into doing something so stupid and counterproductive.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Can they sue the convoy people if the funds were not used for food, gas, and unemployment?

Is it even specified as to who the funds are available to and to how they will be disbursed?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No, because the fund is to support them. If they use it to pay a mortgage or medical bills or whiskey, that’s their need.

Young bucks need the whiskey, now! Maybe some jerky. The spicy kind.

 

[1srelluc]

They should be happy they’re leaving with their livelihoods intact. I would’ve taken their CDLs.
You lost. Now **** off.

Jeez, mental much?