G'ment Has Shut Down The G'ment!!!

[WorldWatcher]

Why are you so full of shit? Do you need a dose of laxative? Do you specialize in half-truths?

You omitted the requirement for cloture from your reasoning. Yes, they could change the rules with the nuclear option, but there is no need. Democrats could have simply voted not to shut down.

Why are you so dishonest?

What is dishonest?

Here is a screen shot with clearly defined "STEP 1" regarding changing the rules, which only needs a simple majority. I even added a big red arrow for you.

QUESTION: Can the Senate rules be changed with a simple majority?

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[WorldWatcher]

Intellectually dishonest. Your TDS is flaring again?

What's intellectually dishonest?

Can the Senate change it's internal rules with a simple majority?

Once such rules are changed (or excepted for the specific legislation) can the legislation be passed by simple majority?

Does the GOP have a simple majority of Senators? (Hint: IIRC they have 53 Senators + the VP for a tie breaker).

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[leftwinger]

#1 I didn't say "it passed the house as you say", I said that there is only a simple majority needed per the Constitution for legislation to pass (both House and Senate).

#2 I said that the legislation can be passed with a simple majority and that is true. It's a two step process:

• Step 1: Pass - via a simple majority - either a modification or an exception to the Senate rules allowing a majority vote to enact closure.
• Step 2: Pass the legislation with a simple majority.

Since the GOP has the majority of the Senate, they don't need a single vote for Step 1 and Step 2.

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You tell us. How many R in Senate? If 51? Which R voted against it?

Don't post a bunch of vauge stuff confusing readers. I don't know what happened. You said it. Post it. Thank you. No disrespect intended.

First you say simple majority. OK what happened?

Then you start into changing rules? Huh?

 

[WorldWatcher]

You tell us. How many R in Senate? If 51? Which R voted against it?

There are currently 53 GOP (+1 VP if needed). Which R voted against it is irrelevent to the point. The GOP doesn't need any DEM votes since they have a 53(+1) majority.

Don't post a bunch of vauge stuff confusing readers. I don't know what happened. You said it. Post it. Thank you. No disrespect intended.

I haven't been vague. I've very simply and directly said the GOP could pass this via a simple majority via a two step process:

• Senate (via simple majority) suspends the rule for closure,
• Senate (via a simple majority) passes the legislation.

First you say simple majority. OK what happened?

The didn't get the 60 required under the Senate rules for cloture. A simple majority can suspend the cloture rule.

Then you start into changing rules? Huh?

I haven't changed any rules. I've simply stated that the GOP could change the rules and they don't need a single DEM to to it.

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What is dishonest?

Here is a screen shot with clearly defined "STEP 1" regarding changing the rules, which only needs a simple majority. I even added a big red arrow for you.

QUESTION: Can the Senate rules be changed with a simple majority?

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That was not in your first post where you said it was the Republican's own fault. That is a lie.

You are simply a dishonest poster or incredibly stupid. Take your pick as to which applies.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There are currently 53 GOP (+1 VP if needed). Which R voted against it is irrelevent to the point. The GOP doesn't need any DEM votes since they have a 53(+1) majority.


I haven't been vague. I've very simply and directly said the GOP could pass this via a simple majority via a two step process:

• Senate (via simple majority) suspends the rule for closure,
• Senate (via a simple majority) passes the legislation.

The didn't get the 60 required under the Senate rules for cloture. A simple majority can suspend the cloture rule.



I haven't changed any rules. I've simply stated that the GOP could change the rules and they don't need a single DEM to to it.

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They will not do as the Democrats did before, allowing them permission to do it again when they, if ever, regain a majority. That is exactly where you were dishonest by not mentioning those additional steps in your initial post.

 

[Rawley]

The shutdown is all on Trump.

Trump doesn't need a single DEM vote to pass a budget or CR. The constitution only requires a majority vote.

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You are usually not this ignorant. Sad.

 

[MisterBeale]

They want to save Obamacare....which illegal's are not eligible to get, and 30 plus million American citizens rely on for Healthcare. The subsidies, that made Obamacare work were all canceled in the Big Beautiful Bill. THAT ends Obamacare in one swoop, without legislation reneging the program, but by the BBB funding bill....which gave Obamacare none.

That in turn will close down health facilities in Rural Areas serving entire communities, which were able to stay opened by being paid for their services by insurance companies, a good chunk of it, from people with Obamacare insurance. Without that money the Hospitals and clinics will have to close, even for all the rest of the citizens who have their own healthcare insurance from work, or through Medicare, or the means to pay.

So if all of that is indeed true. . . why wouldn't the DNC just let the GOP cut their own throats?

Any party that actually does this won't be able to win any elections.

 

[Moonglow]

You are usually not this ignorant. Sad.

In 2013, then-businessman and reality TV host Donald Trump said: "A government shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. A shutdown means the president is weak."

Fact Check: Investigating claim Trump once said, 'A government shutdown falls on president's lack of leadership'

An alleged 2013 quote from the then-businessman and reality TV host made the rounds online during the October 2025 U.S. government shutdown.

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[Rawley]

In 2013, then-businessman and reality TV host Donald Trump said: "A government shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. A shutdown means the president is weak."

Fact Check: Investigating claim Trump once said, 'A government shutdown falls on president's lack of leadership'

An alleged 2013 quote from the then-businessman and reality TV host made the rounds online during the October 2025 U.S. government shutdown.

uk.news.yahoo.com

LOL I'll see your one video of Trump from 2011 and raise you with 16 hours of Schumer over 35 years saying shutting down the gvt is hostage taking, people will die, he'd never do it ...

 

[Rawley]

What's intellectually dishonest?

You said the shutdown is on Trump.

Trump cannot change the rules in the Senate.

 

[struth]

In 2013, then-businessman and reality TV host Donald Trump said: "A government shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. A shutdown means the president is weak."

Fact Check: Investigating claim Trump once said, 'A government shutdown falls on president's lack of leadership'

An alleged 2013 quote from the then-businessman and reality TV host made the rounds online during the October 2025 U.S. government shutdown.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Correct, that was in 2013, on the particular issue.

Today there is another issue. That issue being the Dems are holding the country hostage because they want taxpayers to continue to bailout big insurance companies with subs that are set to expire on Dec 31

 

[WorldWatcher]

That was not in your first post where you said it was the Republican's own fault. That is a lie.

You are simply a dishonest poster or incredibly stupid. Take your pick as to which applies.

Here is my first post in the thread, and my first post on passing the CR.

Noting that Trump not needing a single DEM vote is exactly what I said.

I said nothing about fault, I focused on outcomes.

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[WorldWatcher]

You said the shutdown is on Trump.

Trump cannot change the rules in the Senate.

That's not what I said.

I said that Trump doesn't need any DEM votes to pass the legislation. That is true.

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[hadit]

Well if their achin' lil azzes shut down g'ment then there is no more g'ment to turn g'ment back on, so is this the end of America???

Government Shutdown Clock

Track the imminent government shutdown as Democrats' demands risk federal services for millions. Americans don’t agree with Democrats’ actions.

www.whitehouse.gov

The Schumer shutdown is a clear attack on democracy.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You said the shutdown is on Trump.

Nope, I said he dosen't need DEM votes. Which is true.

Trump cannot change the rules in the Senate.

Correct, the GOP in the Senate can though without a single DEM vote.

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[WorldWatcher]

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Marjorie Taylor Greene Slams Party Members for ‘Playing Games’ with Shutdown: ‘Republicans Need To Learn How To Wield Power’

Marjorie Taylor Greene accused Republicans of "playing games" with the partial government shutdown and urged them to learn how to "wield" their power better.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Lisa558]

The stock market seems to like the prospect of more downsizing in government.

 

[struth]

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Marjorie Taylor Greene Slams Party Members for ‘Playing Games’ with Shutdown: ‘Republicans Need To Learn How To Wield Power’

Marjorie Taylor Greene accused Republicans of "playing games" with the partial government shutdown and urged them to learn how to "wield" their power better.

www.yahoo.com

So they need 60 votes, which requires Dems…or they need to change the rules of the Senate

Two things trump has no control over

 

[Moonglow]

LOL I'll see your one video of Trump from 2011 and raise you with 16 hours of Schumer over 35 years saying shutting down the gvt is hostage taking, people will die, he'd never do it ...

Trump said it, so it applies to Trump.