Giuliani Associate Sentenced

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, there is a pattern here, you enjoy lying and playing the noble troll!

Hunter Biden 'got $83,333 a month from Ukraine gas firm'

During his time on the board of Burisma, Hunter Biden (above), the son of former Vice President Joe Biden, was regarded as a helpful non-executive director, according to people in the know.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Russian who 'paid $3.5M to Hunter Biden' wanted to enter US market

Yelena Baturina, whose estimated fortune is around $1.3 billion, told DailyMail.com she was 'not interested' in explaining the alleged consultancy fee in 2014 to Hunter Biden.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Hunter Biden Received Millions From Wife Of Ex-Moscow Mayor, Paid Suspects Allegedly Tied To Trafficking, Had Contacts With Individuals Linked To Chinese Military, Senate Report Alleges | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Hunter Biden and China: A timeline of his business ties to the Far East

For at least seven years, many when his father was vice president, Hunter Biden pursued a lucrative deal to run an investment firm founded by millions of dollars from a Chinese partnership. Joe Bid…

nypost.com

Your pathetic whataboutism is going nowhere.

 

[playtime]

She and thus you might be right

yet it makes perfect sense & if it ever got down to it - that would be the argument.

but there's nothing in the Constitution barring a President from pardoning themself for things they did prior to being President.

i wasn't even talking about that - i was talking about whilst still holding office as POTUS ... ie, his role in the insurrection. he could not pardon himself or others he conspired with to carry it out.

I don't know if her argument holds water since the judicial branch can't pardon people only the executive, so it would stand to reason that the person doing the pardoning is not a judge, and so the "fundamental rule" of not being allowed to be the judge of your own case wouldn't apply. No President has ever pardoned themself (though apparently Nixon came close) but a number of Governors have in the past. It stands to reason that if the courts upheld that a Governor of a state can pardon themselves then so can a President. Hopefully we are never in the situation that we would be testing that theory but it's far from settled legally.

i'm thinking since the story you got that from was at a time when a lot of unconstitutional things were allowed - it wouldn't be able to duplicate now.

& the next time you write something that you got somewhere else - it's best to put "quotes" around it & source it, or it will look a lot like plagiarism.

Can Trump pardon himself? Governors and a drunk mayor have

 

[playtime]

I don't want to play the guilt by association game. But when a person chooses to associate with people that have been shown to be guilty at the very least that says something about how they judge morality doesn't it?

All of the Trumpworld Figures Who’ve Been Arrested, Indicted, or Jailed​

At least 18 people connected to President Trump have been locked up, indicted, or arrested since the real-estate mogul announced his candidacy in 2015.

Pilar Melendez​

National Reporter
Updated Oct. 31, 2020 8:20AM ET Published Oct. 28, 2020 4:56AM ET

“I’m going to surround myself only with the best and most serious people,” Trump told The Washington Post in August 2015. “We want top of the line professionals.”

Since then, it’s become clear Trump has a dubious understanding of “best.” At least 18 shady figures in the president’s orbit have either been arrested or gone to jail since he took office, on charges from fraud to battery to child pornography.

Here are all the Trumpworld figures who have been arrested, indicted, or locked up:
[...]

All of the Trumpworld Figures Who’ve Been Arrested, Indicted, or Jailed

i don't normally use a biased site to source from , but they listed ALL of them to date.

 

[playtime]

But, overturn Roe V. Wade? the Republican candidate will lose by 10 million votes in 2024.

millions of women have never known what it's like to not have the right over her autonomy & to choose her own destiny.

that will mobilize people like nothing else.

 

[Winco]

Let me remind you who Giuliani is:

Should say, "Let me remind you who Giuliani WAS."

Whatever you think Rudy WAS, today Rudy is nothing but a Clown.

 

[forkup]

That's what you're doing. That's exactly what was happening with the Hunter Biden issues. The president is certainly associated with his son and his son was dealing with all kinds of nefarious individuals from Russia and China. How is that any different? Bill Clinton is certainly associated with Hilary, and Bill's dealings with guys like Epstein given his (Bill's) well document proclivities should keep her out of the Whitehouse right? So, if that's the standard you want to use against politicians you disagree with, don't be surprised when it gets turned around on the politicians you agree with. Which is why I say it's a terrible standard and precedent to set.

First off, I wasn't the one using the original argument.

More importantly. You don't think there's a difference between people having an association with other people who have been tried, sentenced, and convicted in a court of law and STILL choosing to pardon, and associate with those people? Or someone like Hunter Biden whose only crime seems to be that he was on the board of directors of a company that was under investigation but never indicted in another nation, and by association would implicate Joe Biden? Or Bill Clinton who knew Epstein ( Trump did too by the way), and would implicate Hilary because of that?

And I really don't think you want to actually go by documented proclivities either. Lewinsky was a consenting adult by all accounts.
The people Trump is describing here aren't consenting or even necessarily adults.


You can't be held accountable for knowing someone who is shown to have done something wrong in the future. You do have a choice though about having contact afterward, or for the things, you demonstrably said or have done.

 

[playtime]

Should say, "Let me remind you who Giuliani WAS."

Whatever you think Rudy WAS, today Rudy is nothing but a Clown.

guliani is a scumbag of the highest order. his own daughter voted for obama over him when he ran for prez.

 

[Clipper]

Nobody had to "manufacture" anything. As Vice President, Joe Biden committed Quid Pro Quo, there's no mistake about that. He also used his position for gain by the way of his son's appointment to the corporate board of the Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, even though Hunter Biden had absolutely no experience in the energy field.

Do you really think this shit is going away? Not to mention the money the Bidens accepted from the former Mayor of Moscow, and their dealings with the Communist Chinese.

I guarantee you this is going to come back out into the light of day. As should Hillary's dealings in 2016. She was the one who used a bunch of Russian agents to fabricate false information against Trump.

You got proof that Biden was bribed by the mayor of Moscow or have you been watching some Bozo ranting on YouTube from Mom's basement?

 

[Clipper]

guliani is a scumbag of the highest order. his own daughter voted for obama over him when he ran for prez.

Speaks volumes.

 

[Dragonlady]

Let us know when you find the pee pee tapes...


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Show me where Hillary Clinton used the pee tapes against Donald Trump. Or even discussed them on the campaign trail.

Trump lied about Joe Biden, just like you're lying about Eric Swallwell. Trump took $11 million out of a secret Chinese Bank Account, but accuses Joe "Xiden" of being corrupted by the Chinese.

You clowns have lost any moral high ground you might have had claim to when you elected that lying, traitorous clown.

 

[FA_Q2]

Well while that does make sense, all it takes is for too many sleepy liberals to stay home on election day.

In 2024, we won't have a raging pandemic being mishandled by an unethical, amoral narcissist. We won't have a cult member abortion fairy judge being crammed through 8 days before the election. The liberal outrage factor may not be as strong in 2024..

But, overturn Roe V. Wade? the Republican candidate will lose by 10 million votes in 2024.

I do not think it will be liberal outrage that will decide the 2024 election but rather it is going to be conservative melancholy or infighting. I do not see them being able to handle Trump in 2024 and that will rend the party in 2. If SCOTUS takes down Roe, it might be the deciding factor in 2024 though I think you overestimate both its impact and how much it will effect the election itself. I suspect the court will find a way to wiggle around the fallout by somehow upholding the law and upholding Roe in a weaker context. Roberts seems prone to doing things like that.

At this point we may just need to add another amendment that makes bodily autonomy clear. The left and the right will both have problems with this but it is a compromise that should be attainable. Unfortunately, I doubt anyone will try.

 

[Dragonlady]

I do not think it will be liberal outrage that will decide the 2024 election but rather it is going to be conservative melancholy or infighting. I do not see them being able to handle Trump in 2024 and that will rend the party in 2. If SCOTUS takes down Roe, it might be the deciding factor in 2024 though I think you overestimate both its impact and how much it will effect the election itself. I suspect the court will find a way to wiggle around the fallout by somehow upholding the law and upholding Roe in a weaker context. Roberts seems prone to doing things like that.

At this point we may just need to add another amendment that makes bodily autonomy clear. The left and the right will both have problems with this but it is a compromise that should be attainable. Unfortunately, I doubt anyone will try.

Clearly you are a male because no woman would ever say that the loss of abortion rights won't matter in the election. There are 8 million more female voters than male voters which means that women will be deciding the next election. 80% of the women in the USA, want the government to stop regulating their bodies and their family size. Women are tired of having the government making decisions on their behalf about having a baby.

This is the most intimate and personal decision a woman can make, and it will affect her entire life. We're not giving that up. Men, and in particular Republican men, have betrayed women far too often. These are our lives and our decisions. One in four women will have an abortion in their lifetime. You have no right to tell us otherwise. And we won't vote for those who do.

 

[Hellokitty]

Show me where Hillary Clinton used the pee tapes against Donald Trump. Or even discussed them on the campaign trail.

Trump lied about Joe Biden, just like you're lying about Eric Swallwell. Trump took $11 million out of a secret Chinese Bank Account, but accuses Joe "Xiden" of being corrupted by the Chinese.

You clowns have lost any moral high ground you might have had claim to when you elected that lying, traitorous clown.

Hillary paid for the pee pee tapes.

TRUMP didn't lie about FJB, and Swallwell did bang bang with fang fang in exchange for $.

 

[Dragonlady]

Hillary paid for the pee pee tapes.

TRUMP didn't lie about FJB, and Swallwell did bang bang with fang fang in exchange for $.

Hillary didn't pay for the pee tapes. Christopher Steele did. The Democratic Party requested that their lawyers obtain opposition research. The law firm contracted with Fusion GPS, and the funds to pay Fusion came from the law firm's trust account. Hillary didn't even know about the pee tapes, the DNC immediately handed the report over to the RNC, and didn't use ANY of it.

Because the information it contained showed that Donald Trump was a danger to national security, rather than use the information politically, they gave it to the RNC. That was the responsible thing to do.

Quite the contrast to Trump who tried to get the Ukrainians to falsely announce an investigation into the Bidens in order to boost his re-election chances. Who tried to promote forged evidence found on "Hunter's Laptop" to the House and Senate and the American people as evidence of the Bidens' corruption.

The FBI's investigation into national security threats posed by the Trump Campaign's ties to Russia, has never been released and that investigation was halted by Trump's DOJ.

 

[Hellokitty]

Hillary didn't pay for the pee tapes. Christopher Steele did. The Democratic Party requested that their lawyers obtain opposition research. The law firm contracted with Fusion GPS, and the funds to pay Fusion came from the law firm's trust account. Hillary didn't even know about the pee tapes, the DNC immediately handed the report over to the RNC, and didn't use ANY of it.

Because the information it contained showed that Donald Trump was a danger to national security, rather than use the information politically, they gave it to the RNC. That was the responsible thing to do.

Quite the contrast to Trump who tried to get the Ukrainians to falsely announce an investigation into the Bidens in order to boost his re-election chances. Who tried to promote forged evidence found on "Hunter's Laptop" to the House and Senate and the American people as evidence of the Bidens' corruption.

The FBI's investigation into national security threats posed by the Trump Campaign's ties to Russia, has never been released and that investigation was halted by Trump's DOJ.

 

[Lesh]

Ya think Trump is smart enough to understand the kind of trouble he's facing here?

The people around him likely are

 

[Lesh]

And now it comes out that he was willing to throw Don Jr under the bus

 

[Dragonlady]

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This is how an arm's length transaction works:

The DNC wanted opposition research. They don't want it tailored to their needs. They want authentic stuff. So they ask the law firm to get it for them anonymously, and give them a budget.

The law firm hires GPS to get them research on Donald Trump, for an unnamed client. Fusion had previously been hired by Republicans to get research on Donald Trump, and they hired Christopher Steele for that work. That work was never completed because the client cancelled when Trump secured enough votes for the Republican nomination.

When the Washington law firm asked for the same thing, Fusion hired Steele to finish the job he had started earlier, without telling him who the client was. Steele was paid by Fusion. Fusion was paid by the lawyers. The lawyers were paid by the DNC.

This is called an "arm's length transaction" and it is the exact opposite of "Hillary Clinton hired Christopher Steele to . . . .". This is the proper and legal way to obtain opposition research. So stories don't get planted, for political reasons. If no one knows who they're working for or who is doing the work, no "collusion" is possible.



The whole idea

 

[Lesh]

And oh yea...the Clinton team never used anything from the Steele Dossier...so there's that

 

[Dragonlady]

Yes, there is a pattern here, you enjoy lying and playing the noble troll!

Hunter Biden 'got $83,333 a month from Ukraine gas firm'

During his time on the board of Burisma, Hunter Biden (above), the son of former Vice President Joe Biden, was regarded as a helpful non-executive director, according to people in the know.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Russian who 'paid $3.5M to Hunter Biden' wanted to enter US market

Yelena Baturina, whose estimated fortune is around $1.3 billion, told DailyMail.com she was 'not interested' in explaining the alleged consultancy fee in 2014 to Hunter Biden.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Hunter Biden Received Millions From Wife Of Ex-Moscow Mayor, Paid Suspects Allegedly Tied To Trafficking, Had Contacts With Individuals Linked To Chinese Military, Senate Report Alleges | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Hunter Biden and China: A timeline of his business ties to the Far East

For at least seven years, many when his father was vice president, Hunter Biden pursued a lucrative deal to run an investment firm founded by millions of dollars from a Chinese partnership. Joe Bid…

nypost.com

Yes there is a pattern here. All your sources are rated "Questionable". In fairness the NY Post is only "Borderline Questionable".

Daily Mail - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

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The Daily Wire - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

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New York Post - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

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Do you have any real sources that don't lie?