Didn't the wings consumed during the last Super Bowl go into 9 digits? Makes one suspect sports fans are few and far between in the Phasianidae (as I just found the chicken family is known).
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Germany Scales Back on Wind Energy Because Its Not Working
- Thread starter Weatherman2020
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Just what every nation needs. Declining power and skyrocketing costs.Everything the Left does ends up hurting people.
The German government loves to talk about the importance of green energies, but when it comes to their expansion, it is in fact doing the opposite: Old wind turbines are being removed without being replaced by new generation turbines.
Perhaps it’s beginning dawn on the German government that especially wind and solar energy just aren’t working out, and so they have massively scaled back subsidies with the aim of scaling them back. […]
The NDR [German public television] reports that in the coming years, 16 GW of wind power will be removed from the subsidy system. Almost two-thirds of this may not be replaced by new, more powerful ones.
As far as Altenstedt goes, where the three featured turbines are being dismantled, the NDR reports: “No more wind turbines may be built in Altenstedt, there are no more planning permits. The energy transition is now history here.
The remaining infrastructure: transmission lines, access roads, transformers etc. are available and are now no longer being used. In Altenstedt they will probably become the first relics of a past idea that went sour.
This hardly looks like an idea that went sour...
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This lovely bar chart shows coal and lignite on the decline and wind and solar on the rise. I thought you were arguing otherwise.
As for the cost, I suspect you'd have trouble finding ANYTHING in Germany at prices comparable to the US. For one, they don't subsidize their fossil fuel industries. They are currently paying $5.57/gal for gasoline.
Likkmee
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They just live in the wrong placeEverything the Left does ends up hurting people.
The German government loves to talk about the importance of green energies, but when it comes to their expansion, it is in fact doing the opposite: Old wind turbines are being removed without being replaced by new generation turbines.
Perhaps it’s beginning dawn on the German government that especially wind and solar energy just aren’t working out, and so they have massively scaled back subsidies with the aim of scaling them back. […]
The NDR [German public television] reports that in the coming years, 16 GW of wind power will be removed from the subsidy system. Almost two-thirds of this may not be replaced by new, more powerful ones.
As far as Altenstedt goes, where the three featured turbines are being dismantled, the NDR reports: “No more wind turbines may be built in Altenstedt, there are no more planning permits. The energy transition is now history here.
The remaining infrastructure: transmission lines, access roads, transformers etc. are available and are now no longer being used. In Altenstedt they will probably become the first relics of a past idea that went sour.
zaangalewa
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“Old wind turbines are being removed without being replaced by new generation turbines.”Very short to the wrongly quoted nonsense here: A problem in context "lower expansion speed of wind power facilities in Germany" is the very limited space in Germany. As an illustration: If the USA had the same population density as it is in Germany then 8 billlion people would live in the USA now.
Air traffic control systems for example prevent windcraft facilities - because it needs a distance of 10 miles between radar control systems, radio beacons and windcraft facilities. A problem in this context is for example the USA. No one needs radio beacons any longer, if someone is using GPS. But GPS is not a reliable system, because the USA is not a reliable nation. And the European alternative system "Galileo" is under pressure - because of mysteries - since a very long time now. By the way: Do you have a mystery creating secret service full of liars in the USA?
True or not true?
True.
Possible. But I never heard of any big systemic problem, except that no one likes to have a windcraft facility in front of the own house. They don't look nice, they are very big and they are not silent. But windcraft was never a big theme for me, although I had reduced about 80% of the CO2 emissions output in my family during the last 20 years.
Germans are tired of paying the exorbitant price to kill birds.
Do we? It exist new turbines, which don't kill birds as far as I heard. And as far as I know we get most windcraft energy from facilities, which we build in the sea. But I don't see this as a real important theme. The real important theme is management of different local energy systems, transport of energy and power storage.
And let me tell you, that the way how you - and many other US-Americans - discuss about such problems sounds very mad in my ears.
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Manonthestreet
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“Old wind turbines are being removed without being replaced by new generation turbines.”Very short to the wrongly quoted nonsense here: A problem in context "lower expansion speed of wind power facilities in Germany" is the very limited space in Germany. As an illustration: If the USA had the same population density as it is in Germany then 8 billlion people would live in the USA now.
Air traffic control systems for example prevent windcraft facilities - because it needs a distance of 10 miles between radar control systems, radio beacons and windcraft facilities. A problem in this context is for example the USA. No one needs radio beacons any longer, if someone is using GPS. But GPS is not a reliable system, because the USA is not a reliable nation. And the European alternative system "Galileo" is under pressure - because of mysteries - since a very long time now. By the way: Do you have a mystery creating secret service full of liars in the USA?
True or not true?
True.
Possible. But I never heard of any big systemic problem, except that no one likes to have a windcraft facility in front of the own house. They don't look nice, they are very big and they are not silent. But windcraft was never a big theme for me, although I had reduced about 80% of the CO2 emissions output in my family during the last 20 years.
Germans are tired of paying the exorbitant price to kill birds.
Do we? It exist new turbines, which don't kill birds as far as I heard. And as far as I know we get most windcraft energy from facilities, which we build in the sea. But I don't see this as a real important theme. The real important theme is management of different local energy systems, transport of energy and power storage.
And let me tell you, that the way how you - and many other US-Americans - discuss about such problems sounds very mad in my ears.
Expensive energy that kills millions of birds a year is suppressive to the poor and the environment.
daveman
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Let's try it, see which folds first..."green" energy, or fossil fuels?Oh, it's profitable, all right. Because Federal money is poured into it.
So, let';s guet this straight: you object to subsidies being paid to energy corporations? You think they should be either be able to make a profit on their own or go out of business? Yes? No?
zaangalewa
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Commies never were important there. In Baden Würtemberg exists currently an alliance in the government between the Green party and the Christian democratic union. The CDU is a conservative party.
And it nervs that nearly always everything is wrong what US-Americans say about Germany.
daveman
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"No one needs radio beacons any longer, if someone is using GPS. But GPS is not a reliable system..."Very short to the wrongly quoted nonsense here: A problem in context "lower expansion speed of wind power facilities in Germany" is the very limited space in Germany. As an illustration: If the USA had the same population density as it is in Germany then 8 billlion people would live in the USA now.
Air traffic control systems for example prevent windcraft facilities - because it needs a distance of 10 miles between radar control systems, radio beacons and windcraft facilities. A problem in this context is for example the USA. No one needs radio beacons any longer, if someone is using GPS. But GPS is not a reliable system, because the USA is not a reliable nation. And the European alternative system "Galileo" is under pressure - because of mysteries - since a very long time now. By the way: Do you have a mystery creating secret service full of liars in the USA?
You just explained why radio beacons are necessary.
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This is yet another example of the Costanza Rule for evaluating the Leftwing Agenda. Whatever the Lefties say, assume the opposite is true.
Germany has had years of brown outs and lower income people turning off their electricity and heating for part of the day because costs have skyrocketed.
France, on the other hand, has gone almost full nuclear power, with no problems.
Which one should we emulate and which one do the Lefties choose?
Germany has had years of brown outs and lower income people turning off their electricity and heating for part of the day because costs have skyrocketed.
France, on the other hand, has gone almost full nuclear power, with no problems.
Which one should we emulate and which one do the Lefties choose?
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daveman
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"I am a Democrat because I believe in the environment and conservation. For instance, we must raise the price of gasoline, like they do in Europe, to increase conservation. If we don't, there will soon be a big gas shortage, and this will mean higher gasoline prices for you and me."Just what every nation needs. Declining power and skyrocketing costs.Everything the Left does ends up hurting people.
The German government loves to talk about the importance of green energies, but when it comes to their expansion, it is in fact doing the opposite: Old wind turbines are being removed without being replaced by new generation turbines.
Perhaps it’s beginning dawn on the German government that especially wind and solar energy just aren’t working out, and so they have massively scaled back subsidies with the aim of scaling them back. […]
The NDR [German public television] reports that in the coming years, 16 GW of wind power will be removed from the subsidy system. Almost two-thirds of this may not be replaced by new, more powerful ones.
As far as Altenstedt goes, where the three featured turbines are being dismantled, the NDR reports: “No more wind turbines may be built in Altenstedt, there are no more planning permits. The energy transition is now history here.
The remaining infrastructure: transmission lines, access roads, transformers etc. are available and are now no longer being used. In Altenstedt they will probably become the first relics of a past idea that went sour.
This hardly looks like an idea that went sour...
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This lovely bar chart shows coal and lignite on the decline and wind and solar on the rise. I thought you were arguing otherwise.
As for the cost, I suspect you'd have trouble finding ANYTHING in Germany at prices comparable to the US. For one, they don't subsidize their fossil fuel industries. They are currently paying $5.57/gal for gasoline.
Tax Man
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It is not the turbines that are bad it is that the demand for electricity has fallen so significantly that the turbines are not needed.Everything the Left does ends up hurting people.
The German government loves to talk about the importance of green energies, but when it comes to their expansion, it is in fact doing the opposite: Old wind turbines are being removed without being replaced by new generation turbines.
Perhaps it’s beginning dawn on the German government that especially wind and solar energy just aren’t working out, and so they have massively scaled back subsidies with the aim of scaling them back. […]
The NDR [German public television] reports that in the coming years, 16 GW of wind power will be removed from the subsidy system. Almost two-thirds of this may not be replaced by new, more powerful ones.
As far as Altenstedt goes, where the three featured turbines are being dismantled, the NDR reports: “No more wind turbines may be built in Altenstedt, there are no more planning permits. The energy transition is now history here.
The remaining infrastructure: transmission lines, access roads, transformers etc. are available and are now no longer being used. In Altenstedt they will probably become the first relics of a past idea that went sour.
Tax Man
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I am a solar generator and user of electricity.This is yet another example of the Costanza Rule for evaluating the Leftwing Agenda. Whatever the Lefties say, assume the opposite is true.
Germany has had years of brown outs and lower income people turning off their electricity and heating for part of the day because costs of skyrocketed.
France, on the other hand, has gone almost full nuclear power, with no problems.
Which one should we emulate and which one do the Lefties choose?
- Feb 12, 2007
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I am a solar generator and user of electricity.This is yet another example of the Costanza Rule for evaluating the Leftwing Agenda. Whatever the Lefties say, assume the opposite is true.
Germany has had years of brown outs and lower income people turning off their electricity and heating for part of the day because costs of skyrocketed.
France, on the other hand, has gone almost full nuclear power, with no problems.
Which one should we emulate and which one do the Lefties choose?
How much of your solar generation has been subsidized with Tax Credits and mandated purchases by the local utility?
Were your solar panels made by slave labor in China?
zaangalewa
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- Jan 24, 2015
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“Old wind turbines are being removed without being replaced by new generation turbines.”Very short to the wrongly quoted nonsense here: A problem in context "lower expansion speed of wind power facilities in Germany" is the very limited space in Germany. As an illustration: If the USA had the same population density as it is in Germany then 8 billlion people would live in the USA now.
Air traffic control systems for example prevent windcraft facilities - because it needs a distance of 10 miles between radar control systems, radio beacons and windcraft facilities. A problem in this context is for example the USA. No one needs radio beacons any longer, if someone is using GPS. But GPS is not a reliable system, because the USA is not a reliable nation. And the European alternative system "Galileo" is under pressure - because of mysteries - since a very long time now. By the way: Do you have a mystery creating secret service full of liars in the USA?
True or not true?
True.
Possible. But I never heard of any big systemic problem, except that no one likes to have a windcraft facility in front of the own house. They don't look nice, they are very big and they are not silent. But windcraft was never a big theme for me, although I had reduced about 80% of the CO2 emissions output in my family during the last 20 years.
Germans are tired of paying the exorbitant price to kill birds.
Do we? It exist new turbines, which don't kill birds as far as I heard. And as far as I know we get most windcraft energy from facilities, which we build in the sea. But I don't see this as a real important theme. The real important theme is management of different local energy systems, transport of energy and power storage.
And let me tell you, that the way how you - and many other US-Americans - discuss about such problems sounds very mad in my ears.
Expensive energy
Windcraft is not expensive.
that kills millions of birds a year
It die sometimes birds, if they collide with a propellor - that's not nice - but where from comes your number "millions"?
is suppressive to the poor
Eh? What a nonsense is this now? The imagination of poor people in a hamster wheel, if no wind blows?
and the environment.
Environment = biosphere? The reason to do so is to prevent CO2 emissions. To do so is better for all life on planet Earth than to use many other forms of energy production.
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Tax Man
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My generation is for me and I am not mandated to have solar, I want it so i am free of the utility companies. My panels were made in Fremont.I am a solar generator and user of electricity.This is yet another example of the Costanza Rule for evaluating the Leftwing Agenda. Whatever the Lefties say, assume the opposite is true.
Germany has had years of brown outs and lower income people turning off their electricity and heating for part of the day because costs of skyrocketed.
France, on the other hand, has gone almost full nuclear power, with no problems.
Which one should we emulate and which one do the Lefties choose?
How much of your solar generation has been subsidized with Tax Credits and mandated purchases by the local utility?
Were your solar panels made by slave labor in China?
- Feb 12, 2007
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My generation is for me and I am not mandated to have solar, I want it so i am free of the utility companies. My panels were made in Fremont.I am a solar generator and user of electricity.This is yet another example of the Costanza Rule for evaluating the Leftwing Agenda. Whatever the Lefties say, assume the opposite is true.
Germany has had years of brown outs and lower income people turning off their electricity and heating for part of the day because costs of skyrocketed.
France, on the other hand, has gone almost full nuclear power, with no problems.
Which one should we emulate and which one do the Lefties choose?
How much of your solar generation has been subsidized with Tax Credits and mandated purchases by the local utility?
Were your solar panels made by slave labor in China?
Solyndra? That was heavily subsidized by taxpayers.
Screw market price! That's what caused the collapse of Texas electric grid & electric bills of $7,000 per day per house. There is no energy source costing 1 cent!!!Meanwhile, back in reality, wind turbine use is still exploding across the USA, because it's so profitable.
---Iowa Nears 60% Wind Energy Generation Milestone - Iowa Environmental Council
www.iaenvironment.org
Iowa reached an impressive clean energy milestone in 2020, according to data recently released from the Energy Information Administration (EIA). Iowa produced the highest percentage of electricity by wind of any state, at 59.6%. This figure represents a sharp increase from 2019, which had the state at 42% electricity from wind.
---
Wind power is an amazing free market succes in the USA, which causes Trump cultists to hate it even more. You don't have to despise the free market to be a Trump cultist ... oh wait, you do. In the Trump cult, Marxism is mandatory. TheParty, and not the free market, decides what the power grid should be like, regardless of what it costs or how often it fails (see: Texas).
What a terrible reader you are!
From YOUR link:
"Data from the US Energy Information Administration show that in the US, we use the more than 100,000 MW installed wind capacity only a third of the time. The only way we would be able to utilize wind like mineral energies to generate electricity is for the wind to blow 24/7, 365 days a year, at a steady 30 mph or so."
and,
"Iowa boasts that 40% of our electricity is generated by wind turbines. But remember that that is still only about 4% of all the energy we consume, and we are only 1% of the US population. That 4% has already covered about 1,500,000 of our acres with industrial wind projects, negatively affecting homes and businesses within as well as on the perimeters of these project areas. And taxpayers around the country have to make up the taxes that Iowa-based wind projects allow utilities to escape."
bolding mine
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From post one article YOU didn't read:
"No longer economical without the subsidy
The three wind turbines together generated 2 million kWh of electricity annually, meaning 666,666 kWh/ turbine per year. But now that the subsidies have ended, owner Horst Mengels explains he can no longer operate the turbines economically at electricity market prices of less than three, sometimes even one cent. Meanwhile private consumers of electricity now have to pay 30 cents and more for a kWh. Repair and maintenance of the turbines are no longer possible at the low market prices."
You are one dumb ignorant dishonest shit!
zaangalewa
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"No one needs radio beacons any longer, if someone is using GPS. But GPS is not a reliable system..."Very short to the wrongly quoted nonsense here: A problem in context "lower expansion speed of wind power facilities in Germany" is the very limited space in Germany. As an illustration: If the USA had the same population density as it is in Germany then 8 billlion people would live in the USA now.
Air traffic control systems for example prevent windcraft facilities - because it needs a distance of 10 miles between radar control systems, radio beacons and windcraft facilities. A problem in this context is for example the USA. No one needs radio beacons any longer, if someone is using GPS. But GPS is not a reliable system, because the USA is not a reliable nation. And the European alternative system "Galileo" is under pressure - because of mysteries - since a very long time now. By the way: Do you have a mystery creating secret service full of liars in the USA?
You just explained why radio beacons are necessary.
If they would not be necessary (emergency case, if the USA is switching off GPS) we could build about 1,100 windcraft facilities.
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