German Labor Relations Comes to Tennessee?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's interesting to wonder how Walmart would work if it functioned like Mondragon...

dear we already know the Mondragon concept is liberal and idiotic. Thats why barely any have ever switched to it.

 

[georgephillip]

dear we already know the Mondragon concept is liberal and idiotic

"Before creating the first co-operative, Arizmendiarrieta spent a number of years educating young people about a form of humanism based on solidarity and participation, in harmony with Catholic social teaching, and the importance of acquiring the necessary technical knowledge.

"In 1955, he selected five of these young people to set up the first company of the co-operative and industrial beginning of the Mondragon Corporation.[4]

"The people were Usatorre, Larrañaga, Gorroñogoitia, Ormaechea and Ortubay, and the company was called Talleres Ulgor, an acronym derived from their surnames, known today as Fagor Electrodomésticos."
Absolutely idiotic, right, Rockefeller?
Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear we already know the Mondragon concept is liberal and idiotic

"Before creating the first co-operative, Arizmendiarrieta spent a number of years educating young people about a form of humanism based on solidarity and participation, in harmony with Catholic social teaching, and the importance of acquiring the necessary technical knowledge.

"In 1955, he selected five of these young people to set up the first company of the co-operative and industrial beginning of the Mondragon Corporation.[4]

"The people were Usatorre, Larrañaga, Gorroñogoitia, Ormaechea and Ortubay, and the company was called Talleres Ulgor, an acronym derived from their surnames, known today as Fagor Electrodomésticos."
Absolutely idiotic, right, Rockefeller?
Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

dear, companies and business schools for hundreds of years have been freelu experimenting with management and there is no trend toward lib commie Mondragonism. Sorry to rock your world.

 

[Two Thumbs]

"Works councils — elected bodies representing all workers in a plant, both blue and white collar — are acclaimed as one of the best, most innovative features of Germany's labor relations system. They have been shown to enhance efficiency, adaptability and cooperation. By supporting the use of work sharing (agreeing to reduce everyone's hours rather than laying some people off), for example, these councils helped Germany experience less unemployment during the Great Recession and a faster, more robust recovery since then.

"For years, labor law, labor economics and labor-management researchers like us have urged experimentation with works councils in the United States. Volkswagen and the United Auto Workers are proposing to do just that at Volkswagen's Tennessee plant. This could be a watershed in American labor relations, one that rejects the outmoded adversarial doctrines that have built up in U.S. labor law and practice. And it signals management and labor support for a new model of cooperation and partnership."

It's widely believed by those on the left German labor relations prevented to sort of massive off-shoring seen in the US over the past four decades.

German Unions have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the corporations they work for.

It could happen here...

The Volkswagen way to better labor-management relations - Los Angeles Times

interesting

I know I'd like to see an end to the us v them mentality

And getting to know what is going on would be a nice way to stop getting lied to my managment

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"Works councils — elected bodies representing all workers in a plant, both blue and white collar — are acclaimed as one of the best, most innovative features of Germany's labor relations system. They have been shown to enhance efficiency, adaptability and cooperation. By supporting the use of work sharing (agreeing to reduce everyone's hours rather than laying some people off), for example, these councils helped Germany experience less unemployment during the Great Recession and a faster, more robust recovery since then.

"For years, labor law, labor economics and labor-management researchers like us have urged experimentation with works councils in the United States. Volkswagen and the United Auto Workers are proposing to do just that at Volkswagen's Tennessee plant. This could be a watershed in American labor relations, one that rejects the outmoded adversarial doctrines that have built up in U.S. labor law and practice. And it signals management and labor support for a new model of cooperation and partnership."

It's widely believed by those on the left German labor relations prevented to sort of massive off-shoring seen in the US over the past four decades.

German Unions have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the corporations they work for.

It could happen here...

The Volkswagen way to better labor-management relations - Los Angeles Times

interesting

I know I'd like to see an end to the us v them mentality

And getting to know what is going on would be a nice way to stop getting lied to my managment

dear its a free country. Start your own company, or go work for one that that doesn't lie and makes its employees happy and productive.

 

[Two Thumbs]

"Works councils — elected bodies representing all workers in a plant, both blue and white collar — are acclaimed as one of the best, most innovative features of Germany's labor relations system. They have been shown to enhance efficiency, adaptability and cooperation. By supporting the use of work sharing (agreeing to reduce everyone's hours rather than laying some people off), for example, these councils helped Germany experience less unemployment during the Great Recession and a faster, more robust recovery since then.

"For years, labor law, labor economics and labor-management researchers like us have urged experimentation with works councils in the United States. Volkswagen and the United Auto Workers are proposing to do just that at Volkswagen's Tennessee plant. This could be a watershed in American labor relations, one that rejects the outmoded adversarial doctrines that have built up in U.S. labor law and practice. And it signals management and labor support for a new model of cooperation and partnership."

It's widely believed by those on the left German labor relations prevented to sort of massive off-shoring seen in the US over the past four decades.

German Unions have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the corporations they work for.

It could happen here...

The Volkswagen way to better labor-management relations - Los Angeles Times

interesting

I know I'd like to see an end to the us v them mentality

And getting to know what is going on would be a nice way to stop getting lied to my managment

dear its a free country. Start your own company, or go work for one that that doesn't lie and makes its employees happy and productive.

such as?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"Works councils — elected bodies representing all workers in a plant, both blue and white collar — are acclaimed as one of the best, most innovative features of Germany's labor relations system. They have been shown to enhance efficiency, adaptability and cooperation. By supporting the use of work sharing (agreeing to reduce everyone's hours rather than laying some people off), for example, these councils helped Germany experience less unemployment during the Great Recession and a faster, more robust recovery since then.

"For years, labor law, labor economics and labor-management researchers like us have urged experimentation with works councils in the United States. Volkswagen and the United Auto Workers are proposing to do just that at Volkswagen's Tennessee plant. This could be a watershed in American labor relations, one that rejects the outmoded adversarial doctrines that have built up in U.S. labor law and practice. And it signals management and labor support for a new model of cooperation and partnership."

It's widely believed by those on the left German labor relations prevented to sort of massive off-shoring seen in the US over the past four decades.

German Unions have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the corporations they work for.

It could happen here...

The Volkswagen way to better labor-management relations - Los Angeles Times

interesting

I know I'd like to see an end to the us v them mentality

And getting to know what is going on would be a nice way to stop getting lied to my managment

dear its a free country. Start your own company, or go work for one that that doesn't lie and makes its employees happy and productive.

such as?

such as what company should he start?? One that suits him and still survives.

 

[georgephillip]

I know I'd like to see an end to the us v them mentality

And getting to know what is going on would be a nice way to stop getting lied to my managment

One of the biggest advantages of the German experiment has been the reduction in competition between labor and management and the increase in company data that's made available to labor:
"German law conceives of employees not as adversaries of management but as valued participants in the enterprise.

"German unions bargain about wages and hours. But, if workers choose to have a works council, it becomes a representative body in running the firm.

"Management must share extensive and even confidential business information with the council, and matters of critical concern on the shop floor or in the office must be discussed with the council and agreed to by its members. Most large enterprises, such as Volkswagen, have works councils."
The Volkswagen way to better labor-management relations - Los Angeles Times

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

One of the biggest advantages of the German experiment has been the reduction in competition between labor and management

Germany does well because of its reputation for great engineering.Thats why it makes huge profits on its over priced average quality luxury cars.

The management hates labor so builds factories all over the world with its largest factory located in the South Carolina where it does not have to be bothered by unions.

 

[Mr Natural]

One of the biggest advantages of the German experiment has been the reduction in competition between labor and management

Germany does well because of its reputation for great engineering.Thats why it makes huge profits on its over priced average quality luxury cars.

The management hates labor so builds factories all over the world with its largest factory located in the South Carolina where it does not have to be bothered by unions.

And where the workers are desperate enough to work for peanuts.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

One of the biggest advantages of the German experiment has been the reduction in competition between labor and management

Germany does well because of its reputation for great engineering.Thats why it makes huge profits on its over priced average quality luxury cars.

The management hates labor so builds factories all over the world with its largest factory located in the South Carolina where it does not have to be bothered by unions.

And where the workers are desperate enough to work for peanuts.

too stupid and 100% liberal!! there are among the highest paid workers in the history of the world!!

 

[initforme]

Dears workers must remember the following before applying for a job in a company

1). The company does not view you as a friend. You are simply overhead and a cost to them so they don't like you to begin with.
2). The company will always believe you are making too much.
3). They are not in it to make you happy. They are in it to make a buck... hopefully you help them make it.
4). Companies are not interested in keeping even their most productive workers if they can replace them with someone new even if the new person is much less productive.
5). You have one option. Don't apply for a job with a company. Start your own. Then you won't be looked upon as scum.

That's a start.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Dears workers must remember the following before applying for a job in a company

if you get the job you will take it thankfully and with deep respect because it is the best job anyone else in the entire world is offering you. Plus, if at any point if someone offers you a better job you are 100% free to take it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Then you won't be looked upon as scum.

That's a start.

how utterly brainless and completely stupid. How successful would a company be if it looked at its employees as scum in a competitive environment?? See why we are positive a liberal will be stupid!!. What other conclusion is possible?

 

[georgephillip]

"A strangely provocative role reversal has developed between two friendly rivals in the global economy. In the past, it was usually the United States that lectured other nations on how they should be more like America. This time, it is a German industrial giant that wants to make the US economy more like Germany’s. Can this happen? Maybe—if American workers agree that the German approach is better.

"The issue is labor relations.

"The German system is more democratic and far more respectful of worker rights. Instead of the relentless unionbusting and virulent anti-labor propaganda common in US industry,

"German labor law requires consultation and collaboration with workers in the Betriebsrat, or works council—people directly elected by the employees, blue-collar and white-collar alike.
At a minimum, German workers are guaranteed a voice in corporate decision-making.

"The works council is what the Germans proposed for a Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga."

Naturally, the fascist corporate tool will be deathly afraid of democracy.

Can Germany Reform American Labor Relations The Nation

 

[Nosmo King]

Who said you're supposed to?

Richard Wolff among many others:
"Criticism would then focus on capitalist enterprise organization as a hierarchical, undemocratic system for producing the goods and services society depends upon.

"A tiny minority of persons (directors and major shareholders) makes all the key economic decisions in capitalist enterprises.

"The mass of workers who must live with those decisions and their effects are excluded from making them.

"Capitalist enterprise organization is thus the opposite and enemy of the democratic enterprise organization that socialism affirms.

"In socialism redefined along these lines, all the workers in an enterprise collectively and democratically make all the key economic decisions: what, how, and where to produce and what to do with the enterprise’s surplus or profits.

"Such a socialism would advocate social ownership, planning, and the democratization of enterprises, i.e. their transition from capitalist to workers' self-directed enterprises (WSDEs)."

Socialism and Workers Self-Directed Enterprises Professor Richard D. Wolff

What makes you think me or any sane individual gives a shit about the rantings of a Socialist? No fully Socialist nation has ever succeeded in the history of man kind.

And yet no laizzez faire Capitalist nation has succeeded either.

 

[georgephillip]

And yet no laizzez faire Capitalist nation has succeeded either.

"Over the years, a number of economists have offered critiques of laissez-faireeconomics.

"Adam Smith acknowledged deep moral ambiguities towards the system of capitalism.[36]

"Smith had severe misgivings concerning some aspects of each of the major character-types produced by modern capitalist society: the landlords, the workers, and the capitalists.[36] 'The landlords' role in the economic process is passive. Their ability to reap a revenue solely from ownership of land tends to make them indolent and inept, and so they tend to be unable to even look after their own economic interests.'[36] 'The increase in population should increase the demand for food, which should increase rents, which should be economically beneficial to the landlords.'

"Thus, according to Smith, the landlords should be in favour of policies which contribute to the growth of in the wealth of nations.

"Unfortunately, they often are not in favour of these pro-growth policies, because of their own indolent-induced ignorance and intellectual flabbiness."

Laissez-faire - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[DGS49]

The president of my former employer was the president of the company's Engineers union when he worked in Luxembourg,. His best friend was the VP of Human Resources. In that union, they regularly met with management to make decisions on policy affecting the employers. They cooperated to share the profits with the employees during good times (favoring bonuses rather than large pay raises), and spread the misery during slowdowns. No one was ever laid off.

When an employee became a problem they would work together to find a position that suited the employee's capabilities. If it still didn't work out, the committee would agree to fire the person (not such a huge loss for the person over there, since they got almost as much while unemployed as when working). One guy that I knew was a marginal engineer, but ended up being a great training coordinator for the global company.

Bottom line: no adversarial relationship. It was one of mutual cooperation and respect.

They never would have agreed on work rules designed to make the factory workers less efficient (e.g., strict job definitions), as the UAW does. Their union would never go out on a limb to save the job of a terrible employee, just because he was a union member, as the UAW does. They occasionally agreed on cutting hours so that no one would have to be laid off. Would the UAW do this? I doubt it.

Adversarial-ness is the enemy.

 

[georgephillip]

They never would have agreed on work rules designed to make the factory workers less efficient (e.g., strict job definitions), as the UAW does. Their union would never go out on a limb to save the job of a terrible employee, just because he was a union member, as the UAW does. They occasionally agreed on cutting hours so that no one would have to be laid off. Would the UAW do this? I doubt it.

As I understand the history of labor unions in the US, they rose to power during the Great Depression, and then gave most of their power away during the Cold War in order to avoid being labelled as socialists or communists. Prominent labor unions supported the US invasion of Vietnam out of fear of appearing "unpatriotic." Today, the concept of Worker Self-Directed Enterprises seems to offer the potential for greater economic democracy in ways traditional US labor unions never could.

"Workers’ Self-Directed Enterprises (WSDE’s): WSDE’s are enterprises in which all the workers who collaborate to produce its outputs also serve together, collectively as its board of directors. Each worker in any WSDE thus has two job descriptions: (1) a particular task in the enterprise’s division of labor, and (2) full participation in the directorial decisions governing what, how and where to produce and how to use the enterprise’s surplus or profits."

About DAW 8211 What is DAW Democracy At Work

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And yet no laizzez faire Capitalist nation has succeeded either.

how idiotic. THe USA is the richest by far and has had the most capitalism. China switched 30 years ago and instantly eliminated 40% of the worlds poverty!