j-mac
Nuthin' but the truth
First off, thank you for the reasoned response...While there are certain aspects that I fully agree with you on, such as Republican's getting their shit together, there are others in which I think is a no brainer that Biden and the Democrats do what Democrats always do, which is the moment they gain power they overplay their hand, and this current batch is no exception....All I am really saying j-mac is that you NEED people like me and independents to go along and support your push for audits. To be quite frank the information I have been thus been presented has been so haphazard, dismissed every point put to against them and the audits I have seen done have all come up empty handed that many of us are simply tired of the garbage and not even interested in further claims.
You are correct, you really should not do a bunch of work to support your contention here as almost no one is going to bother and that is because of those on your side have been a joke so far. The claims have been LAUGHABLY bad when someone is not outright lying in my face about straight out facts easily proven. I am not saying this is you, that you are doing those things or that you do not have a good ground for your suspicions.
I am saying that as long as the issue is surrounded by information like that and almost no reasonable points put forward, most of America is simply going to write continued claims off as the same garbage as before. And, honestly, claiming audits thus far are not 'real' audits is just making all that much harder to bother.
You guys really need to get your shit straight or this is a lost cause. It will only bring the party down further and ensure that democrats maintain power.
I cannot implore the republicans enough, this whole bullshit has come very close to ensuring that I never vote for a republican ever again. I will not lie, I certainly do not always vote republican but I very, very, very rarely vote for a democrat. I vote independent or libertarian when they have a candidate worth voting for but tilt to the right other than that. The only reason, and I really mean the only reason, I will even contemplate voting for a republican again is because Biden and the democrats have done such a piss poor job this last year. The democrat radicalism is the only thing saving the republicans from utter destruction IMHO. That is not good ground to be standing on.
I cannot be the only person that the right is losing because they cannot get their shit together. THINK about that reality, even if this election was stolen you are not going to fix it by supporting party antics that turn people off for a decade.
I would be one that respects what Trump was able to do while President, considering the opposition he had in his face from day one...But think that some of the younger batch, like a Josh Hawley would be a better choice going forward for the GOP....
As far as the election goes, we will probably not know the extent of the cheating done for decades, or at least until government in all branches is cleaned up from the corruption that now exists, as well as the media being cleaned up as well...
So, for now, just like JFK, or 9/11 there will be differing opinions on the event for a long time...
My only hope is that we get back to some sort of reasoned disagreement, like you and I have here, and both sides understand the golden rule from Reagan, which was he said he may not get everything but, if he were able to get 70 to 80% that was a good deal...
Both sides have to be able to work together, and not what we have today where the rhetoric is that if one side doesn't agree with the other, automatically the opposition is 'racist, crazy, evil', or whatever pejorative they think will sting most....And for God's sake, leave Trump alone. Let him fade away...The quickest way to get him to run again is to keep the focus on him....
Anyway, I think we agree on more than we disagree, so moving forward, I think everyone just needs to step back and take a breath before moving forward...It's going to be hard, and I am not sure I can live up to it all the time, but we have to try...