George Floyd. The Truth Is Out. (Finally)

[Ringel05]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

The one thing you either are unaware of or ignoring is the Use of Force Continuum which (to the best of my knowledge) is pounded into law enforcement officers in this nation over and over again. Basically it means if the subject escalates you escalate, if the subject de-escalated, you de-escalate. Let that sink in........
Floyd was on the ground and cuffed with multiple officers around him and was not resisting at that point, de-escalation, the officer should at that point have stood up and if Floyd had re-escalated then the officers could have easily re-subdued him. The officer kneeling on Floyd's neck the whole time should have known this and stood up when Floyd began complaining that he couldn't breathe, the officer made a bad decision that cost a man his life. At best the officer was negligent based on the Use of Force Continuum.

Cops are basically at war. Every day they risk their lives. Every day they experience the worst that mankind has to offer. Only an idiot would expect perfect behavior from them. I could maybe see him getting fired. But to be charged with murder is a fucking joke! Now if the cop had him down and then decided to shoot him in the head, THAT would have been murder. (kind of) Next, after Floyd started complaining about not being able to breathe, the cops could have quickly unlocked one of his handcuffs and ran away. It wouldn't have changed things. The guy was obviously having a heart attack. Did you know blacks are 20 times more likely to die before the age of 50 from heart failure than Whites? But no. Let's have all you fools supporting all the protests and riots instead.

I'm a former LEO.......... I worked both State and Federal. Think I know a tad bit more about it than you do. You are over exagerating, I said NOTHING about un-cuffing him or even letting him stand up but there was NO NEED for the officer to stay kneeling on Floyd's neck the whole time. That was obvious so take your clueless bull shit and stuff it.

So what was your deal. Were you to fat to do anything but desk work? Were you a cop who worked in mostly White areas? Though only being 14% of the population, blacks are responsible for at least 52% of the crime. Though I think it's more than that. Is that over exaggerating? Just because you were a cop doesn't give you the right to say how that cop acted. Because you don't know the kind of shit he may have experienced. Which likely influenced his actions. Also, how do you know what kind of mood the officer was in for any shit from Floyd.

Next, was it your knee on Floyd's neck? If not, how can you say you know how much pressure he was putting on it. At any rate, to me it looked like Floyd's windpipe was free and clear.

you do know thats not why he died???

it was the pressure on his body not his windpipe,,,

You would literally have to be standing on somebody's chest to give them difficulty in breathing. I didn't see that happening. In fact, if there was any sort of pressure from that area being put on him, the cop applying that pressure may have let off. Who knows. But if he was having trouble breathing, it wasn't the cops doing. The same sort of thing happened a few years ago with a large negro who the cops suspected of selling cigarettes illegally. The cops tried to take him into custody and he said, "Get your hands off me!" Famous last words, before "I can't breathe!" He wasn't strangled to death either. Even though one of the cops did have his arm partially around the big fat black guy's big fat neck. But for all you assholes arguing against me, let's not give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Let's side with the criminal because he's black. Right?

Soooooo, now you're a doctor as well as being omnipresent?

(I can explain what omnipresent means if you need to know......)

As for siding with the criminal? Really? I'm siding with the law and how the law sees things, officers have a responsibility to keep the suspect safe after subduing them, that's the law. This officer did not do that. He made a bad decision and now must face the law to answer for his actions. I'm not the judge, jury or executioner I'm simply stating something you can't see, the obvious, LEO legal responsibility and how the law works.
You have a problem with that then get the law changed.

Read post#83.

That still doesn't address what I was saying, it has no bearing on the points I was addressing. Are you truly that obtuse that you can't figure out what I posted? Talk about completely clueless.
Fact: Floyd died (regardless of cause of death) while in the officer's custody setting forward an investigation into the cause of death.
Fact: The fact that the officer refused to stop knelling on Floyd's neck when Floyd began complaining about not being able to breathe throws suspicion on the officer by not following proper procedure.
Fact: By law due to all the above the officer made himself legally and criminally culpable therefore subject to arrest.
Fact: It is now up to a jury (or judge) to determine the officer's guilt or innocence.

Fact: Whenever a drugged up criminal dies, especially a negro one, it is cause for celebration.

Yup, that's what I thought, you're clueless. Have a nice life sparknutz.

 

[quarantine]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

I hate to break it to you, but the answer to your question, "Why should the cop have moved it?" pretty much says everything that needs to be said to this sad attempt at excuses: BECAUSE THAT'S POLICE BRUTALITY NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED. There is no circumstance under which it is okay, or proper police procedure, or justifiable, to kneel on a guy's neck for 8 minutes.

Not supposed to put a knee on someone's neck at all. They teach police to put the knee on the shoulder blades.

The irony is, Quarantine is a flaming left-winger. Free government everything, nationalize all companies. The guy is nuts.

Did you not see post #83? Since 2015, in Mineapolis alone, neck restraints have been used 237 times by cops there. Next, you are an economic moron who can't see anything besides what you have been brought up seeing. Brainwashed to the hilt.

 

[Shelzin]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

The one thing you either are unaware of or ignoring is the Use of Force Continuum which (to the best of my knowledge) is pounded into law enforcement officers in this nation over and over again. Basically it means if the subject escalates you escalate, if the subject de-escalated, you de-escalate. Let that sink in........
Floyd was on the ground and cuffed with multiple officers around him and was not resisting at that point, de-escalation, the officer should at that point have stood up and if Floyd had re-escalated then the officers could have easily re-subdued him. The officer kneeling on Floyd's neck the whole time should have known this and stood up when Floyd began complaining that he couldn't breathe, the officer made a bad decision that cost a man his life. At best the officer was negligent based on the Use of Force Continuum.

Cops are basically at war. Every day they risk their lives. Every day they experience the worst that mankind has to offer. Only an idiot would expect perfect behavior from them. I could maybe see him getting fired. But to be charged with murder is a fucking joke! Now if the cop had him down and then decided to shoot him in the head, THAT would have been murder. (kind of) Next, after Floyd started complaining about not being able to breathe, the cops could have quickly unlocked one of his handcuffs and ran away. It wouldn't have changed things. The guy was obviously having a heart attack. Did you know blacks are 20 times more likely to die before the age of 50 from heart failure than Whites? But no. Let's have all you fools supporting all the protests and riots instead.

I'm a former LEO.......... I worked both State and Federal. Think I know a tad bit more about it than you do. You are over exagerating, I said NOTHING about un-cuffing him or even letting him stand up but there was NO NEED for the officer to stay kneeling on Floyd's neck the whole time. That was obvious so take your clueless bull shit and stuff it.

So what was your deal. Were you to fat to do anything but desk work? Were you a cop who worked in mostly White areas? Though only being 14% of the population, blacks are responsible for at least 52% of the crime. Though I think it's more than that. Is that over exaggerating? Just because you were a cop doesn't give you the right to say how that cop acted. Because you don't know the kind of shit he may have experienced. Which likely influenced his actions. Also, how do you know what kind of mood the officer was in for any shit from Floyd.

Next, was it your knee on Floyd's neck? If not, how can you say you know how much pressure he was putting on it. At any rate, to me it looked like Floyd's windpipe was free and clear.

you do know thats not why he died???

it was the pressure on his body not his windpipe,,,

You would literally have to be standing on somebody's chest to give them difficulty in breathing. I didn't see that happening. In fact, if there was any sort of pressure from that area being put on him, the cop applying that pressure may have let off. Who knows. But if he was having trouble breathing, it wasn't the cops doing. The same sort of thing happened a few years ago with a large negro who the cops suspected of selling cigarettes illegally. The cops tried to take him into custody and he said, "Get your hands off me!" Famous last words, before "I can't breathe!" He wasn't strangled to death either. Even though one of the cops did have his arm partially around the big fat black guy's big fat neck. But for all you assholes arguing against me, let's not give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Let's side with the criminal because he's black. Right?

again,,, he didnt die from lack of air,,,

I dont care what the race of the person is,,,
do you???

Race doesn't exist anywhere else in the animal kingdom. Which humanoids are part of. So "race" doesn't exist. Species does. "Race" is just a politically correct way of saying species. And like any other creature, I do care want species a person is.

There is only one species of human. So...

No. There is Homo aryanus, Homo mongolus and Homo negrosis. And it's possible that Homo floresiensis could still exist. Maybe bigfoot too.

*laughs*

Ok.

 

[quarantine]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

What part of "only the force necessary to subdue" don't you understand?

When he stopped fighting, they had a legal duty to simply restrain him and put him in the back of the car.

NOTHING he did prior to that gang execution justified that cop putting a knee on his neck for 8 FUCKING MINUTES.

He murdered him. This is no hero cop. He is no better than the people who kill others.

Why don't you look at the video again instead of being told what to think about it. That cop's knee on the back of his neck was reasonable and necessary. When he stopped moving, why should the cop have moved. All he was doing was holding him in place. Despite what all the idiots have to say, the cop wasn't cutting off his air. If Floyd couldn't breathe, it wasn't because of what the cop was doing. And after fighting with the cops, anybody who thinks he should have been given a kiss and told a bedtime story instead can piss off and die. The guy was a criminal. Deal with it.

You are making excuses and you should stop.

I'm not making excuses. Was Floyd resisting? Yes. Was the knee that ended up on the back of his neck cutting off his windpipe? No. End of story.

Thanks for sharing, Doctor. Never mind the ACTUAL professional with ACTUAL medical degrees who say otherwise. You have declared that a knee on the neck is no big deal and definitively had nothing to do with his death minutes later, which was "obviously" a coincidence. Doctor Quarantine has spoken, so the story is over with his declaration.

And that'll be fact two minutes after pigs fly out of your ass.

He didn't die from a broken neck or suffocation. So it wasn't murder. If he was too fragile to handle a little rough treatment by the cops, he shouldn't have resisted.

 

[quarantine]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

He held the man down for almost 10 minutes after he "subdued" him.

The cops are not allowed to be executioners.

If it was most people, they could have been held in that position for hours without dying. Does that sound like much of an executioner?

And your proof that "most people could be held for hours" with a knee on their neck is what? The fact that you assert it's true? I hope you realize that there's not a single person on this board who would trust your word if you swore that water was wet.

If it isn't breaking your neck or cutting off your air, what would kill you. The discomfort?

 

[Fang]

Something happened between the time Floyd was sitting on the sidewalk and laying on the ground by the car. That video seems to be missing. The cops didn't just throw him on the ground and sit on him for no reason. But, once Floyd was under control, and he clearly was, why the knee on the neck for so long? It defies logic and any rational explanation. The fight was over and the guy was crying out for help. The cops out numbered him 4-1, he was cuffed and didn't have any weapons. Unless there is more info to this I can't see how the cop is not responsible.

Read post #83.

You're missing the point. Floyd was pleading for help and witnesses were bringing it to the officer's attention. He clearly needed medical attention. The fight was over. There was no need to keep him pinned down like that. Perhaps he didn't die from the officers knee on his neck, but the officer failed to properly diagnose the situation and contributed to his death. I don't think it's murder so there's a chance the prosecution overcharges here. We'll see.

 

[Andylusion]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

I hate to break it to you, but the answer to your question, "Why should the cop have moved it?" pretty much says everything that needs to be said to this sad attempt at excuses: BECAUSE THAT'S POLICE BRUTALITY NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED. There is no circumstance under which it is okay, or proper police procedure, or justifiable, to kneel on a guy's neck for 8 minutes.

Not supposed to put a knee on someone's neck at all. They teach police to put the knee on the shoulder blades.

The irony is, Quarantine is a flaming left-winger. Free government everything, nationalize all companies. The guy is nuts.

Did you not see post #83? Since 2015, in Mineapolis alone, neck restraints have been used 237 times by cops there. Next, you are an economic moron who can't see anything besides what you have been brought up seeing. Brainwashed to the hilt.

Still wrong, and still needs stopped, and this is why. You do not put a knee on someone's neck, especially when they are already in cuffs.

 

[quarantine]

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And a knee on the neck STILL won't be a part of correctly restraining him.

The correct thing to do was go all Judge Dredd and shot him on the spot.

 

[quarantine]

I'm not making excuses. Was Floyd resisting? Yes. Was the knee that ended up on the back of his neck cutting off his windpipe? No. End of story.

You're an idiot. Both the public and private autopsies say it was murder and he died from asphyxiation. Getting enough air to make sound does not mean he's getting enough air to oxygenate his blood. Getting enough air to oxygenate his blood doesn't mean it's getting to his brain when his neck is compressed. You're so fucking stupid that I'm surprised you're able to change your own fucking underwear at night after you wet the bed.

He was murdered, plain and simple, by an arrogant asshole cop who had learned from getting away with a long history of abuses that he could get away with anything. His mistake was that he just went too far this time. He really thought he was going to get away with murdering a competitive coworker who he feared.

It was only the private autopsy that was paid for by Floyd's death that said here died from asphyxiation. Big surprise.

 

[quarantine]

Next, was it your knee on Floyd's neck? If not, how can you say you know how much pressure he was putting on it. At any rate, to me it looked like Floyd's windpipe was free and clear.

Cauvin's foot was dangling and moving freely. There was no pressure on the foot so that means all the weight was on the knee. There was a lot of pressure on it.

You do realize that he had two knees don't you.

 

[quarantine]

If it was most people, they could have been held in that position for hours without dying. Does that sound like much of an executioner?

Prove your point. Get 4 buddies, all 200 pounds, and replicate the scenario. Give them firm instructions that no matter what you say, how much you beg or cry, keep the weight up on your back, on your neck, for 10 minutes. NO matter if you shit and piss yourself, cry out for your dead mother, or if your nose bleeds, they keep it up for 10 minutes..

Instead of being told what to think, or promoting things just to be anti-White, I would suggest that you look at the video. If the cop was putting enough weight on Floyd's neck to cut off his air, the front of his neck would have been squished flat against the cement. But it wasn't.

 

[Papageorgio]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

The one thing you either are unaware of or ignoring is the Use of Force Continuum which (to the best of my knowledge) is pounded into law enforcement officers in this nation over and over again. Basically it means if the subject escalates you escalate, if the subject de-escalated, you de-escalate. Let that sink in........
Floyd was on the ground and cuffed with multiple officers around him and was not resisting at that point, de-escalation, the officer should at that point have stood up and if Floyd had re-escalated then the officers could have easily re-subdued him. The officer kneeling on Floyd's neck the whole time should have known this and stood up when Floyd began complaining that he couldn't breathe, the officer made a bad decision that cost a man his life. At best the officer was negligent based on the Use of Force Continuum.

Cops are basically at war. Every day they risk their lives. Every day they experience the worst that mankind has to offer. Only an idiot would expect perfect behavior from them. I could maybe see him getting fired. But to be charged with murder is a fucking joke! Now if the cop had him down and then decided to shoot him in the head, THAT would have been murder. (kind of) Next, after Floyd started complaining about not being able to breathe, the cops could have quickly unlocked one of his handcuffs and ran away. It wouldn't have changed things. The guy was obviously having a heart attack. Did you know blacks are 20 times more likely to die before the age of 50 from heart failure than Whites? But no. Let's have all you fools supporting all the protests and riots instead.

I'm a former LEO.......... I worked both State and Federal. Think I know a tad bit more about it than you do. You are over exagerating, I said NOTHING about un-cuffing him or even letting him stand up but there was NO NEED for the officer to stay kneeling on Floyd's neck the whole time. That was obvious so take your clueless bull shit and stuff it.

So what was your deal. Were you to fat to do anything but desk work? Were you a cop who worked in mostly White areas? Though only being 14% of the population, blacks are responsible for at least 52% of the crime. Though I think it's more than that. Is that over exaggerating? Just because you were a cop doesn't give you the right to say how that cop acted. Because you don't know the kind of shit he may have experienced. Which likely influenced his actions. Also, how do you know what kind of mood the officer was in for any shit from Floyd.

Next, was it your knee on Floyd's neck? If not, how can you say you know how much pressure he was putting on it. At any rate, to me it looked like Floyd's windpipe was free and clear.

you do know thats not why he died???

it was the pressure on his body not his windpipe,,,

You would literally have to be standing on somebody's chest to give them difficulty in breathing. I didn't see that happening. In fact, if there was any sort of pressure from that area being put on him, the cop applying that pressure may have let off. Who knows. But if he was having trouble breathing, it wasn't the cops doing. The same sort of thing happened a few years ago with a large negro who the cops suspected of selling cigarettes illegally. The cops tried to take him into custody and he said, "Get your hands off me!" Famous last words, before "I can't breathe!" He wasn't strangled to death either. Even though one of the cops did have his arm partially around the big fat black guy's big fat neck. But for all you assholes arguing against me, let's not give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Let's side with the criminal because he's black. Right?

again,,, he didnt die from lack of air,,,

I dont care what the race of the person is,,,
do you???

Race doesn't exist anywhere else in the animal kingdom. Which humanoids are part of. So "race" doesn't exist. Species does. "Race" is just a politically correct way of saying species. And like any other creature, I do care want species a person is.

There is only one species of human. So...

No. There is Homo aryanus, Homo mongolus and Homo negrosis. And it's possible that Homo floresiensis could still exist. Maybe bigfoot too.

And then there is you, Homo moronis.

 

[Cecilie1200]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

The one thing you either are unaware of or ignoring is the Use of Force Continuum which (to the best of my knowledge) is pounded into law enforcement officers in this nation over and over again. Basically it means if the subject escalates you escalate, if the subject de-escalated, you de-escalate. Let that sink in........
Floyd was on the ground and cuffed with multiple officers around him and was not resisting at that point, de-escalation, the officer should at that point have stood up and if Floyd had re-escalated then the officers could have easily re-subdued him. The officer kneeling on Floyd's neck the whole time should have known this and stood up when Floyd began complaining that he couldn't breathe, the officer made a bad decision that cost a man his life. At best the officer was negligent based on the Use of Force Continuum.

Cops are basically at war. Every day they risk their lives. Every day they experience the worst that mankind has to offer. Only an idiot would expect perfect behavior from them. I could maybe see him getting fired. But to be charged with murder is a fucking joke! Now if the cop had him down and then decided to shoot him in the head, THAT would have been murder. (kind of) Next, after Floyd started complaining about not being able to breathe, the cops could have quickly unlocked one of his handcuffs and ran away. It wouldn't have changed things. The guy was obviously having a heart attack. Did you know blacks are 20 times more likely to die before the age of 50 from heart failure than Whites? But no. Let's have all you fools supporting all the protests and riots instead.

I'm a former LEO.......... I worked both State and Federal. Think I know a tad bit more about it than you do. You are over exagerating, I said NOTHING about un-cuffing him or even letting him stand up but there was NO NEED for the officer to stay kneeling on Floyd's neck the whole time. That was obvious so take your clueless bull shit and stuff it.

So what was your deal. Were you to fat to do anything but desk work? Were you a cop who worked in mostly White areas? Though only being 14% of the population, blacks are responsible for at least 52% of the crime. Though I think it's more than that. Is that over exaggerating? Just because you were a cop doesn't give you the right to say how that cop acted. Because you don't know the kind of shit he may have experienced. Which likely influenced his actions. Also, how do you know what kind of mood the officer was in for any shit from Floyd.

Next, was it your knee on Floyd's neck? If not, how can you say you know how much pressure he was putting on it. At any rate, to me it looked like Floyd's windpipe was free and clear.

you do know thats not why he died???

it was the pressure on his body not his windpipe,,,

You would literally have to be standing on somebody's chest to give them difficulty in breathing. I didn't see that happening. In fact, if there was any sort of pressure from that area being put on him, the cop applying that pressure may have let off. Who knows. But if he was having trouble breathing, it wasn't the cops doing. The same sort of thing happened a few years ago with a large negro who the cops suspected of selling cigarettes illegally. The cops tried to take him into custody and he said, "Get your hands off me!" Famous last words, before "I can't breathe!" He wasn't strangled to death either. Even though one of the cops did have his arm partially around the big fat black guy's big fat neck. But for all you assholes arguing against me, let's not give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Let's side with the criminal because he's black. Right?

Soooooo, now you're a doctor as well as being omnipresent?

(I can explain what omnipresent means if you need to know......)

As for siding with the criminal? Really? I'm siding with the law and how the law sees things, officers have a responsibility to keep the suspect safe after subduing them, that's the law. This officer did not do that. He made a bad decision and now must face the law to answer for his actions. I'm not the judge, jury or executioner I'm simply stating something you can't see, the obvious, LEO legal responsibility and how the law works.
You have a problem with that then get the law changed.

Read post#83.

That still doesn't address what I was saying, it has no bearing on the points I was addressing. Are you truly that obtuse that you can't figure out what I posted? Talk about completely clueless.
Fact: Floyd died (regardless of cause of death) while in the officer's custody setting forward an investigation into the cause of death.
Fact: The fact that the officer refused to stop knelling on Floyd's neck when Floyd began complaining about not being able to breathe throws suspicion on the officer by not following proper procedure.
Fact: By law due to all the above the officer made himself legally and criminally culpable therefore subject to arrest.
Fact: It is now up to a jury (or judge) to determine the officer's guilt or innocence.

Fact: Whenever a drugged up criminal dies, especially a negro one, it is cause for celebration.

And that's a big, mouthbreathing racist hick ignore.

 

[justoffal]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

What part of "only the force necessary to subdue" don't you understand?

When he stopped fighting, they had a legal duty to simply restrain him and put him in the back of the car.

NOTHING he did prior to that gang execution justified that cop putting a knee on his neck for 8 FUCKING MINUTES.

He murdered him. This is no hero cop. He is no better than the people who kill others.

Though we are on different sides of this issue....this is a good question and needs to be looked at. Floyd is also responsible for his fate....but I am having trouble trying to justify why this had to be fatal.....we could end up finding out that they guy was on his way to dying even if the cops never showed up.

JO

JO

 

[Cecilie1200]

Something happened between the time Floyd was sitting on the sidewalk and laying on the ground by the car. That video seems to be missing. The cops didn't just throw him on the ground and sit on him for no reason. But, once Floyd was under control, and he clearly was, why the knee on the neck for so long? It defies logic and any rational explanation. The fight was over and the guy was crying out for help. The cops out numbered him 4-1, he was cuffed and didn't have any weapons. Unless there is more info to this I can't see how the cop is not responsible.

Read post #83.

You're missing the point. Floyd was pleading for help and witnesses were bringing it to the officer's attention. He clearly needed medical attention. The fight was over. There was no need to keep him pinned down like that. Perhaps he didn't die from the officers knee on his neck, but the officer failed to properly diagnose the situation and contributed to his death. I don't think it's murder so there's a chance the prosecution overcharges here. We'll see.

I don't know about Minnesota, but in Arizona, if you are already committing a crime and someone dies because of it, you've committed first-degree murder, whether it was an accident or not. And police brutality would probably qualify.

And there are a number of ways that injury to the neck can kill someone besides asphyxiation, however ignorant of that fact racist imbeciles like Quarantine are of that fact. The neck doesn't just contain the trachea; it also contains major nerves and the carotid artery and the jugular vein. Basically, it holds every single pathway to the brain. And it takes only a cursory examination of an anatomical drawing of the neck to show you that it is very fragile and has virtually no protection for those structures.

 

[Cecilie1200]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

What part of "only the force necessary to subdue" don't you understand?

When he stopped fighting, they had a legal duty to simply restrain him and put him in the back of the car.

NOTHING he did prior to that gang execution justified that cop putting a knee on his neck for 8 FUCKING MINUTES.

He murdered him. This is no hero cop. He is no better than the people who kill others.

Though we are on different sides of this issue....this is a good question and needs to be looked at. Floyd is also responsible for his fate....but I am having trouble trying to justify why this had to be fatal.....we could end up finding out that they guy was on his way to dying even if the cops never showed up.

JO

JO

Well, we have two medical examiners saying that what the cops did definitely contributed, with no indication that it would have happened the exact same time and way without that.

 

[healthmyths]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

What part of "only the force necessary to subdue" don't you understand?

When he stopped fighting, they had a legal duty to simply restrain him and put him in the back of the car.

NOTHING he did prior to that gang execution justified that cop putting a knee on his neck for 8 FUCKING MINUTES.

He murdered him. This is no hero cop. He is no better than the people who kill others.

Explain to me what kind of "force" this knee is exerting on the side of the neck... not on the throat!
Do you see a knee on Floyd's throat?

 

[healthmyths]

Why don't you look at the video again instead of being told what to think about it. That cop's knee on the back of his neck was reasonable and necessary. When he stopped moving, why should the cop have moved. All he was doing was holding him in place.

Illegal Moves

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Any neck of head locks, as well as any move that puts stress on the opponent’s spinal column is illegal.

A third-year medical student could tell this Neanderthal - not that he'd understand the words - that the neck is very fragile and virtually unprotected against injury, meaning that minimal force against it can potentially cause permanent harm or death.

So a non medical school college graduate as I can see that blood flow maybe inhibited by a knee to one SIDE of the neck but
not to the other side...unless there are pre-existing blockage issues. Also note where the knee is located on Floyd. Not on the throat.
But only on the right side... Floyd's throat is still open to flow.
See illustration:

 

[LuckyDuck]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

The Medical Examiner said that upon examination, George Floyd died of Cardiac Arrest and that there was no indication of Asphyxiation.
The family's hired Medical Examiner said that upon examination, George Floyd died of Asphyxiation, with Cardiac Arrest being a contributor.
Now...it's a matter of dueling Medical Examiners and who you believe; the County Medical Examiner, or the hired Medical Examiner. No doubt, the family and the protesters will side with the hired Medical Examiner and the County will side with their Medical Examiner. It will all be worked out in the courts. I suspect that as the officer didn't intend to kill him, only subdue him from resisting, it will be determined to be 3rd degree murder (involuntary manslaughter).
Obviously, he will be stripped of being a police officer, however, the time to be served should be no more severe than anyone else charged with involuntary manslaughter. After his release I would suggest that some small town somewhere in the US, hire him back as a police officer. He'll have done his time, was really just trying to subdue a struggling criminal and in the future, will change tactics.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why don't you look at the video again instead of being told what to think about it. That cop's knee on the back of his neck was reasonable and necessary. When he stopped moving, why should the cop have moved. All he was doing was holding him in place.

Illegal Moves

Any move that endangers the opponent’s life or could cause injury is illegal. It is illegal to hit your opponent with your hands, elbows, knees, and head. Kicking is also prohibited unless...

olgasavkina.weebly.com

Any neck of head locks, as well as any move that puts stress on the opponent’s spinal column is illegal.

A third-year medical student could tell this Neanderthal - not that he'd understand the words - that the neck is very fragile and virtually unprotected against injury, meaning that minimal force against it can potentially cause permanent harm or death.

So a non medical school college graduate as I can see that blood flow maybe inhibited by a knee to one SIDE of the neck but
not to the other side...unless there are pre-existing blockage issues. Also note where the knee is located on Floyd. Not on the throat.
But only on the right side... Floyd's throat is still open to flow.
See illustration:
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My, you DO build a lot of straw men out of your "I have no medical education, but I found these pictures on the Internet and guessed".