George Floyd. The Truth Is Out. (Finally)

[Levant]

So why all the angst about Floyd's death if the cop didn't do it out of racial hatred? So why all the MSM coverage if the only reason the cop did it was because he was a dick, an idiot? Please explain from your expertise then why all the hue and cry by the MSM that fueled the deaths of cops in the protests?

Because cops don't get to kill anyway. Are you really going to ******* suggest that it's ok for cops to kill if it's not race based.

 

[Chuz Life]

I am especially interested in the drug levels in Floyd's system.

Was the fentanyl and Meth only trace amounts or were they near lethal levels?

As for the altercation in the back seat, I want to know if the police are required to put seatbelts on a cuffed passenger. If they are so required, that would explain part of the struggle. Also, if Floyd shit or pissed himself in the cop's car. (happens a LOT.)

The drug levels have nothing to do with it. After he had no pulse they sat on him for 3 more minutes. They intended to kill him. And whether or not he shit in their police car, they still don't get to kill him.

The drug levels do too matter

The lawyers will be quick to make that case and if the levels were high enough to stop Floyds heart (and breathing), they will make that case too.

The cops can't logically "kill" an Overdosed suspect that is already dead.

 

[MacTheKnife]

At least more of the truth. For however long, the news has been making it look like the cops murdered a cooperative black guy they arrested, apparently because they had nothing better to do at the time. Causing many riots and protests. Well last night they finally showed a little more of the story.

They showed a cop on the passenger side back door trying to subdue the soon to be dead Floyd. No doubt Floyd was kicking at him. It showed the hero cop who would end up with his knee on the back of Floyd's neck to subdue him going to open the drivers side back door. What was shown at least showed Floyd putting up a fight.

Now, I would like to see the rest of the video. Which would show Floyd being dragged out of the drivers side back seat and how he ended up at the front of the cop car with the officers knee on the back of his neck. No doubt Floyd was putting up more struggle from the back seat area to the front of the cop car.

Why is the news wrongfully portraying the incident. They also made a big deal about the cop keeping his knee on Floyd's neck even after he stopped moving. But Floyd's condition wasn't caused by the knee on his neck. So why should the cop have moved it. Especially when just before then he was putting up a fight. All this coddling of criminals makes me sick. Least of all the negro ones. The cops don't have an easy job. They are almost like soldiers on the front line. A little excess on their part should be excused. They need to be supported. Not vilified.

What part of "only the force necessary to subdue" don't you understand?

When he stopped fighting, they had a legal duty to simply restrain him and put him in the back of the car.

NOTHING he did prior to that gang execution justified that cop putting a knee on his neck for 8 ******* MINUTES.

He murdered him. This is no hero cop. He is no better than the people who kill others.

Nonsense....no evidence to support your personal opinion....the coroner says he was not choked to death....so get over it...he died of natural causes and stress....which he provoked. Had he not chose to argue with the police and resist arrest...he would probably be alive today but with all his health problems he would not have lived much longer anyhow and on top of everything else...not it is reavealed he had the chinese corona virus....

 

[Levant]

I am open to more video and other evidence as well.

I am especially interested in the drug levels in Floyd's system.

Was the fentanyl and Meth only trace amounts or were they near lethal levels?

As for the altercation in the back seat, I want to know if the police are required to put seatbelts on a cuffed passenger. If they are so required, that would explain part of the struggle. Also, if Floyd shit or pissed himself in the cop's car. (happens a LOT.)

You really need to stay out of the abortion threads. You're a fraud. There's nothing pro-life about you. Mothers can't kill innocent children but government can kill innocent men? Just remember the left is going to come for you one day. Think about Antifa and how rabid the left has become against anyone who disagrees with them. The day will come in this country when Antifa-like squads will, with government permission, start rounding up dissidents who disagree with them. When they do, just remember that you agree it is the government's right to kill those they don't like.

In any case, as a true conservative, I'll still fight to save you and others like you. As a true conservative, I defend the rights of even those who I hate. Not that I hate you, but, different from you because you only defend the rights of those you like.

 

[Chuz Life]

I am open to more video and other evidence as well.

I am especially interested in the drug levels in Floyd's system.

Was the fentanyl and Meth only trace amounts or were they near lethal levels?

As for the altercation in the back seat, I want to know if the police are required to put seatbelts on a cuffed passenger. If they are so required, that would explain part of the struggle. Also, if Floyd shit or pissed himself in the cop's car. (happens a LOT.)

You really need to stay out of the abortion threads. You're a fraud. There's nothing pro-life about you. Mothers can't kill innocent children but government can kill innocent men? Just remember the left is going to come for you one day. Think about Antifa and how rabid the left has become against anyone who disagrees with them. The day will come in this country when Antifa-like squads will, with government permission, start rounding up dissidents who disagree with them. When they do, just remember that you agree it is the government's right to kill those they don't like.

In any case, as a true conservative, I'll still fight to save you and others like you. As a true conservative, I defend the rights of even those who I hate. Not that I hate you, but, different from you because you only defend the rights of those you like.

1. I don't claim to be pro-life. (do an advanced search on that.) I am anti-abortion.
2. I am not "anti-life" either.
3. To the limited extent that I am "pro-life?" I am pro-INNOCENT-life.
4. I am pro-Constitution.
5. The Constitution acknowledges the right to KILL someone in an act of self defense.
6. The Constitution establishes the Government's right to DEPRIVE criminals of their lives and KILL them, through due process.
7. Children killed in abortions are NOT afforded any due process.

 

[Levant]

1. I don't claim to be pro-life. (do an advanced search on that.) I am anti-abortion.
2. I am not "anti-life" either.
3. To the limited extent that I am "pro-life?" I am pro-INNOCENT-life.
4. I am pro-Constitution.
5. The Constitution acknowledges the right to KILL someone in an act of self defense.
6. The Constitution establishes the Government's right to DEPRIVE criminals of their lives and KILL them, through due process.
7. Children killed in abortions are NOT afforded any due process.

No; what you are is a racist, lying, fraud.

You are not at all pro-Constitution. The Constitution does not give the government the right to kill without due process except in self-defense. There was no self-defense in killing a handcuffed man on the ground. You don't give a shit about due process. You're as anti-Constitution as is any leftist, communist, socialist, Antifa, gun controller, or anyone else who hates the Constitution.

 

[Chuz Life]

1. I don't claim to be pro-life. (do an advanced search on that.) I am anti-abortion.
2. I am not "anti-life" either.
3. To the limited extent that I am "pro-life?" I am pro-INNOCENT-life.
4. I am pro-Constitution.
5. The Constitution acknowledges the right to KILL someone in an act of self defense.
6. The Constitution establishes the Government's right to DEPRIVE criminals of their lives and KILL them, through due process.
7. Children killed in abortions are NOT afforded any due process.

No; what you are is a racist, lying, fraud.

You are not at all pro-Constitution. The Constitution does not give the government the right to kill without due process except in self-defense. There was no self-defense in killing a handcuffed man on the ground. You don't give a shit about due process. You're as anti-Constitution as is any leftist, communist, socialist, Antifa, gun controller, or anyone else who hates the Constitution.

You are blinded by your own bias and rage.

Go back and read what I wrote.

You can not murder a man who is already dead.

That is why the levels of the drugs in his system MATTERS, despite your denials about it.

 

[Snouter]

The cops were doing their jobs in protecting American citizens. The perp who was a felon with a long and violent criminal past overdosed on highly toxic drugs. That is all that happened.

 

[Chuz Life]

The cops were doing their jobs in protecting American citizens. The perp who was a felon with a long and violent criminal past overdosed on highly toxic drugs. That is all that happened.

RACIST!

 

[healthmyths]

So why all the angst about Floyd's death if the cop didn't do it out of racial hatred? So why all the MSM coverage if the only reason the cop did it was because he was a dick, an idiot? Please explain from your expertise then why all the hue and cry by the MSM that fueled the deaths of cops in the protests?

You'd have to ask them. As an aside, I was at dinner with some friends last Sat night and one of them is Sri Lankan descent (he's a highly educated doctor, born and trained in London, so he's no mug), and I gave him the explanation. He looked surprised and queried me as to why it wasn't racially motivated. He wasn't aghast at my thoughts, but he certainly thought I had it wrong.

People of colour see it differently. I do absolutely believe racial profiling goes on with the police. In fact, I know it does. There is a plethora of examples on youtube vids. And not just of police. Of everyday white people doing it.

However, the black community also has to take some responsibility IMO. 75% of black kids are bought up in a single-parent households, the vast majority being the mothers. That is something only they can fix.

And you are 100% right about single MOTHERs... Here are the statistics to support that statement:
In New York City, in 1925, 85 percent of black households were two-parent households.
A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters [75%] of black families were two-parent households."

Black female head of households number is 68 percent

If we put ourselves into the shoes of racists who seek to sabotage black upward mobility, we couldn’t develop a more effective agenda than that followed by civil rights organizations,

www.desototimes.com

By Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. (Oh by the way in the famous words of Obama..."And did I mention he's black?")
Today more than one-third (33%) of all Black children in the United States under the age of 18 live with unmarried mothers
compared to 6.5 percent of White children.
The figures reflect a general trend:
During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent.

Census Bureau: Higher Percentage of Black Children Live with Single Mothers | Afro

www.afro.com

What is missing is the Father figure, i.e. authority figure...in most cases. But when a black mother has to be not only loving but a disciplinarian, i.e. authority figure...it is very hard. Consequently young black men when first confronted by a cop will challenge the authority figure, i.e. the cop!
See what Chris Rock's suggestion is!
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Every kid not just blacks should see this and understand the situation!
That is a partial answer to the problem of blacks being confrontational with authorities.

 

[Levant]

You are blinded by your own bias and rage.

Go back and read what I wrote.

You can not murder a man who is already dead.

That is why the levels of the drugs in his system MATTERS, despite your denials about it.

It wasn't your only defense of the killing. It was just the one I chose to respond to. He wasn't dead when he was begging for help, calling out to his dead mother. They killed him.

 

[Chuz Life]

You are blinded by your own bias and rage.

Go back and read what I wrote.

You can not murder a man who is already dead.

That is why the levels of the drugs in his system MATTERS, despite your denials about it.

It wasn't your only defense of the killing. It was just the one I chose to respond to. He wasn't dead when he was begging for help, calling out to his dead mother. They killed him.

I watched the tape.

People who can't breathe can't yell.

He died in the custody of the police and that is a problem.

However, it is not a murder if the death was significantly contributed to by other factors (overdose, for example.)

If Floyd was supposed to be presumed innocent, then so are the cops who are now accused.

Objective minded logically thinking people should try to leave their feelings out of it and they will see how the responsibility for this tragic outcome is likely shared.

 

[Dr Grump]

I watched the tape.
People who can't breathe can't yell.
He died in the custody of the police and that is a problem.
However, it is not a murder if the death was significantly contributed to by other factors (overdose, for example.)
If Floyd was supposed to be presumed innocent, then so are the cops who are now accused.
Objective minded logically thinking people should try to leave their feelings out of it and they will see how the responsibility for this tragic outcome is likely shared.

Couple of things:
It is absolutely possible to yell when you are having trouble breathing
Cop is charged with second degree murder, not first. That matters.

 

[Chuz Life]

I watched the tape.
People who can't breathe can't yell.
He died in the custody of the police and that is a problem.
However, it is not a murder if the death was significantly contributed to by other factors (overdose, for example.)
If Floyd was supposed to be presumed innocent, then so are the cops who are now accused.
Objective minded logically thinking people should try to leave their feelings out of it and they will see how the responsibility for this tragic outcome is likely shared.

Couple of things:
It is absolutely possible to yell when you are having trouble breathing. Cop is charged with second degree murder, not first. That matters.

Anatomy of an overdose

The researchers asked the respondents to describe what happened during a suspected fentanyl overdose. The most common characteristic, described in 20 percent of the cases, was that the person's lips immediately turned blue, followed by gurgling sounds with breathing (16 percent of the cases), stiffening of the body or seizure-like activity (13 percent), foaming at the mouth (6 percent) and confusion or strange behavior before the person became unresponsive (6 percent), according to the report.

 

[Levant]

I watched the tape.

People who can't breathe can't yell.

He died in the custody of the police and that is a problem.

However, it is not a murder if the death was significantly contributed to by other factors (overdose, for example.)

If Floyd was supposed to be presumed innocent, then so are the cops who are now accused.

Objective minded logically thinking people should try to leave their feelings out of it and they will see how the responsibility for this tragic outcome is likely shared.

So, along with being a racist, anti-constitutionalist, you're also an idiot.

It takes air to speak, no doubt. That is in no way evidence that there's enough air to properly oxygenate the blood. Two completely different things, idiot. Then, once that blood is oxygenated, it has to get to the brain. Not just in little bits or a trickle, but in quantities enough to give oxygen to the brain cells.

If you shoot a man with cancer, it's still murder even if he was going to die anyway. In fact, we're all dying from the moment we're born. If a person's acts cause that to happen sooner, without legal justification, then it's criminal homicide. Murder in the case of Floyd.

You're a ******* authoritarian, self-righteous, hypocrite. You think you're a law-and-order person but if you're for law-and-order without the Constitution then you're anti-constitutional and just a tyrannical authoritarian. Never, ever, call yourself a constitutionalist; you're not. 3 ******* minutes they stayed on Floyd AFTER being told there was no pulse. That's NOT self-defense or subduing a violent or resisting suspect.

 

[Chuz Life]

I watched the tape.

People who can't breathe can't yell.

He died in the custody of the police and that is a problem.

However, it is not a murder if the death was significantly contributed to by other factors (overdose, for example.)

If Floyd was supposed to be presumed innocent, then so are the cops who are now accused.

Objective minded logically thinking people should try to leave their feelings out of it and they will see how the responsibility for this tragic outcome is likely shared.

So, along with being a racist, anti-constitutionalist, you're also an idiot.

It takes air to speak, no doubt. That is in no way evidence that there's enough air to properly oxygenate the blood. Two completely different things, idiot. Then, once that blood is oxygenated, it has to get to the brain. Not just in little bits or a trickle, but in quantities enough to give oxygen to the brain cells.

If you shoot a man with cancer, it's still murder even if he was going to die anyway. In fact, we're all dying from the moment we're born. If a person's acts cause that to happen sooner, without legal justification, then it's criminal homicide. Murder in the case of Floyd.

You're a ******* authoritarian, self-righteous, hypocrite. You think you're a law-and-order person but if you're for law-and-order without the Constitution then you're anti-constitutional and just a tyrannical authoritarian. Never, ever, call yourself a constitutionalist; you're not. 3 ******* minutes they stayed on Floyd AFTER being told there was no pulse. That's NOT self-defense or subduing a violent or resisting suspect.

You attack me personally, when I never did the same to you.

Yet, I can illustrate the lunacy in your post / attack on me with only one or two questions that you will no doubt dodge or try to turn against me.

Do you believe in the legal principle that a person is "innocent until proven guilty?"

Are you adhering to that principle, where this officer is involved?

I am.

 

[Chuz Life]

3 ******* minutes they stayed on Floyd AFTER being told there was no pulse. That's NOT self-defense or subduing a violent or resisting suspect.

That's not a murder, either.

 

[Levant]

You attack me personally, when I never did the same to you.

Yet, I can illustrate the lunacy in your post / attack on me with only one or two questions that you will no doubt dodge or try to turn against me.

Do you believe in the legal principle that a person is "innocent until proven guilty?"

Are you adhering to that principle, where this officer is involved?

I am.

I am pointing out what you are. I am sick and tired of fake conservatives trying to destroy the Constution.

Innocent until proven guilty is what the Court has to assume, not me. The government doesn't assume innocent until proven guilty and there's no such requirement in the Constitution. The government believes he's guilty. Only the trial court must treat him as though he's innocent until proven guilty. I have defended his right to due process and a fair trial from the beginning. I've defended his right to those things which he denied George Floyd. I defend his right to those things so many here are arguing it was Cauvin's right to deny George Floyd simply because Floyd had been accused of a crime but not even charged, let alone convicted.

The difference between you and me, and virtually every fake conservative on this site, is that I defend the Constitution and its application to even those with whom I may disagree or even those who I hate. Why do I do that? Because if the government is able to ignore the Constitution in one case, or for one person, they can ignore it for any and all cases for all persons. To support the government denying Floyd is rights is to support the government denying anyone and everyone their rights. I don't want my rights violated, I cannot support violating Floyd's rights. Only an idiot would not make the connection between Floyd's rights and their own.

 

[Chuz Life]

You attack me personally, when I never did the same to you.

Yet, I can illustrate the lunacy in your post / attack on me with only one or two questions that you will no doubt dodge or try to turn against me.

Do you believe in the legal principle that a person is "innocent until proven guilty?"

Are you adhering to that principle, where this officer is involved?

I am.

I am pointing out what you are. I am sick and tired of fake conservatives trying to destroy the Constution.

Innocent until proven guilty is what the Court has to assume, not me. The government doesn't assume innocent until proven guilty and there's no such requirement in the Constitution. The government believes he's guilty. Only the trial court must treat him as though he's innocent until proven guilty. I have defended his right to due process and a fair trial from the beginning. I've defended his right to those things which he denied George Floyd. I defend his right to those things so many here are arguing it was Cauvin's right to deny George Floyd simply because Floyd had been accused of a crime but not even charged, let alone convicted.

The difference between you and me, and virtually every fake conservative on this site, is that I defend the Constitution and its application to even those with whom I may disagree or even those who I hate. Why do I do that? Because if the government is able to ignore the Constitution in one case, or for one person, they can ignore it for any and all cases for all persons. To support the government denying Floyd is rights is to support the government denying anyone and everyone their rights. I don't want my rights violated, I cannot support violating Floyd's rights. Only an idiot would not make the connection between Floyd's rights and their own.

No doubt that you are going to do a big sad if / when the cop is acquitted. That's because you are failing to recognize the facts and the legal arguments (and the cop's Constitutional rights and protections) now.

If you were to charge the cop with excessive force, I can see how that case would be much easier to make than a murder charge. Murder requires more incontrovertible evidence than the video alone can provide.

I am a big guy and not in the best of shape. I am perfectly willing to allow myself to be cuffed and take a knee to my neck for 10 minutes, in the same manner, where I can hold a conversation with the cops, (as Floyd did) just to prove it's not a lethal move.

 

[Levant]

No doubt that you are going to do a big sad, if / when the cop is acquitted. That's because you are failing to recognize the facts and the legal arguments (and the cop's Constitutional rights and protections) now.

If you were to charge the cop with excessive force, I can see how that case would be much easier to make than a murder charge. Murder requires more incontrovertible evidence than the video alone can provide.

I am a big guy and not in the best of shape. I am perfectly willing to allow myself to be cuffed and take a knee to my neck for 10 minutes, in the same manner, where I can hold a conversation with the cops, (as Floyd did) just to prove it's not a lethal move.

I absolutely recognize and defend the cop's constitutional rights. Due process and trial by jury. Remember Floyd had those rights, too.

I'll be waiting for the video of your test. Remember to make sure the 3 guys on top of you know not to let you up no matter how much you beg, not when you lose control of your bladder and piss yourself. Not when you lose control of your bowels and shit yourself. Not when you beg or callout to your mother. Not when your pulse stops. No matter what, 10 minutes. Let us know when the test is done.

Oh, be sure to sign and have notarized a release first for the ones who are on top if you; they'll need it later in the coroners hearing.