General Patton Murdered....by Stalin

This belongs in conspiracy theories

You know what a writer's material is worth when the opposition protests so strongly! Gurnall said, if you are going to have enemies - the worse they are - the better. I could not agree more. It's wonderful when hell knows your name. That is true satisfaction.
two things - first, this is clearly a conspiracy theory. there is no evidence to support the claims of the op, just a shit load of conjecture. it's the second gunmen, elvis and tupac are alive, paul mccartney is dead, bush did 9/11, we didn't land on the moon, and aliens at area 51 all rolled into one.
second - we don't know who the author of the op is, but we can be damn sure it wasn't PC.
 
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"Pat Merle-Smith has told me of what took place during a second Berlin visit in the first week of September 1945. “The Russians were putting on a military review for all four occupying powers. [General Patton] was seated next to Marshal Zhukov and I, naturally, was with the standees a few rows below. I heard quite clearly what was said when some huge Soviet tanks passed by. ‘My dear General Patton, you see that tank, it carries a cannon which can throw a shell seven miles.’ Patton answered, ‘Indeed?’ Well, my dear Marshal Zhukov, let me tell you this, if any of my gunners started firing at your people before they had closed to less than seven hundred yards I’d have them court-martialed for cowardice.’ It was the first time I saw a Russian commander stunned into silence.”

And THAT is why Patton is going down in history as one of the greats! As for Marshal Zhukov? Never heard of the guy.

Zhukov was clever Soviet general. At first he threw his troops in front of the Germans, hoping they'd run out of bullets. Well, actually, in 1941 he advocated attacking Germany.

Later, he proved himself to be a wily and able general and pulled Stalin's chestnuts out of the fire more than once especially in the Moscow counteroffensive.
And yet was treated like shit by Stalin,,because of his success....When the British secret service devised a plan to assassinate Hitler, the head of the unit replied that Hitler was so good at being a bad strategist they thought it better to not assassinate him and let him go on bungling the war...

Hitler's belief in his infallibility was his downfall.
 
Those who know George Patton's politics, his revulsion of communism and all things Russian, and who also understand the....affection....that Franklin Roosevelt had for Stalin and the Soviet political elite, will find the following both interesting and hermeneutical.



Here, the proximate event:

1. "General Patton "is getting well like a house afire," the Associated Press reported
four days ago, basing its information on the army's daily 6:00 p.m. briefing about his condition. The story also reported that Patton sat up in bed, throwing off his injury "with a speed reminiscent of his wartime advances."

2. The truth, however, is far different. Gen. George S. Patton Jr. is paralyzed from the neck down. Bones in his spine were dislocated when his car collided with an army truck full of drunken joyriding soldiers. Patton's number three cervical vertebra was shattered, badly bruising his spinal cord. The good news is that he has recovered some movement in his extremities. The bad news is that his doctors believe it is highly unlikely he will walk again.

3. Throughout the course of the Second World War, he made many high-ranking enemies in Moscow, Berlin, London, and even Washington, DC. Patton's fiery determination to speak the truth had many powerful men squirming not only during the war, but also afterward. He recently went on the record praising his former German enemies for their skills as soldiers, while also criticizing the Soviet Union as being a foe rather than an ally of the United States.
Some have come to see Patton as a roadblock to world peace. And now Patton is at his most vulnerable, an easy target for any of those enemies."
O'Reilly and Dugard, " Killing Patton"



4. " On December 8, 1945, Patton's chief of staff, Major General Hobart Gay, invited him on apheasant hunting trip nearSpeyerto lift his spirits. At 11:45 on December 9, Patton and Gay were riding in Patton's1938 Cadillac Model 75 staff car driven by Private First Class Horace L. Woodring when they stopped at a railroad intersection inMannheim-Käfertalto allow a train to pass....

Woodring glanced away from the road when a 2½ ton GMC truck driven by Technical Sergeant Robert L. Thompson, who was en route to a quartermaster depot, suddenly made a left turn in front of the car. Woodring slammed the brakes and turned sharply to the left, colliding with the truck at a low speed.

Taken to a hospital in Heidelberg, Patton was discovered to have a compression fracture and dislocation of the third and fourth vertebrae, resulting in a broken neck and cervical spinal cord injury which rendered him paralyzed from the neck down. He spent most of the next 12 days in spinal traction to decrease spinal pressure. Although in some pain from this procedure, he reportedly never complained about it. All non-medical visitors, except for Patton's wife, who had flown from the U.S., were forbidden. Patton, who had been told he had no chance to ever again ride a horse or resume normal life, at one point commented, "This is a hell of a way to die." He died in his sleep of pulmonary edema and congestive heart failure at about 18:00 on December 21, 1945."
"Patton: A Biography (Great Generals)," by Alan Axelrod and Wesley K. Clark, p. 167-169

a. " The official causes of death, as listed in the army adjutant general's report, are "traumatic myelitis, transverse fourth cervical segment, pulmonary infarction, and myocardial failure, acute. There is no autopsy."
O'Reilly, Op.Cit.


b. "Patton was the only passenger hurt that cold day in what essentially was described as a "fender-bender." Two others in the car with him were uninjured, as were those in the truck that suddenly turned and caused the crash.... Where are the records of their visit -- and of the accident itself? All reports and investigations have inexplicably disappeared."
Articles The Mysterious Death of Gen. George S. Patton

How many threads will you be starting on this same quack theory I wonder?
 
This belongs in conspiracy theories

Like everything else she's ever posted.


It's pathological.

I think all her posts should automatically go to conspiracy theories. If it turns out that any of her posts has any other actual merit they can be sorted and distributed appropriately from there.


I understand your fear.

We should all be afraid when crazy fuckers like you have a platform to speak as though you were normal.
 
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"Pat Merle-Smith has told me of what took place during a second Berlin visit in the first week of September 1945. “The Russians were putting on a military review for all four occupying powers. [General Patton] was seated next to Marshal Zhukov and I, naturally, was with the standees a few rows below. I heard quite clearly what was said when some huge Soviet tanks passed by. ‘My dear General Patton, you see that tank, it carries a cannon which can throw a shell seven miles.’ Patton answered, ‘Indeed?’ Well, my dear Marshal Zhukov, let me tell you this, if any of my gunners started firing at your people before they had closed to less than seven hundred yards I’d have them court-martialed for cowardice.’ It was the first time I saw a Russian commander stunned into silence.”

And THAT is why Patton is going down in history as one of the greats! As for Marshal Zhukov? Never heard of the guy.

Zhukov was clever Soviet general. At first he threw his troops in front of the Germans, hoping they'd run out of bullets. Well, actually, in 1941 he advocated attacking Germany.

Later, he proved himself to be a wily and able general and pulled Stalin's chestnuts out of the fire more than once especially in the Moscow counteroffensive.

Zhukovs victories at Stalingrad and Kursk turned the tide of the war and inflicted defeats that Hitler never recovered from

That Americans know so little about the fact that it was the Soviets who bore the brunt of fighting hitler reflects our Cold War revisionist history and the overall general ignorance of todays students regarding history

Patton was not in Zhukovs league during WWII

Patton was at least Zhukov's equal and left to his own devises would have been in Berlin 6 months ahead of the USSR

As to overall ignorance regarding the fighting in the East, I'd say you were correct.

Tactically, Patton may have been superior to Zhukov

But their role during the war was not even close. Patton led the 3rd Army, Zhukov led the Red Army. Patton may have killed 100,000 Germans in battle, Zhukov killed millions
 
Those who know George Patton's politics, his revulsion of communism and all things Russian, and who also understand the....affection....that Franklin Roosevelt had for Stalin and the Soviet political elite, will find the following both interesting and hermeneutical.



Here, the proximate event:

1. "General Patton "is getting well like a house afire," the Associated Press reported
four days ago, basing its information on the army's daily 6:00 p.m. briefing about his condition. The story also reported that Patton sat up in bed, throwing off his injury "with a speed reminiscent of his wartime advances."

2. The truth, however, is far different. Gen. George S. Patton Jr. is paralyzed from the neck down. Bones in his spine were dislocated when his car collided with an army truck full of drunken joyriding soldiers. Patton's number three cervical vertebra was shattered, badly bruising his spinal cord. The good news is that he has recovered some movement in his extremities. The bad news is that his doctors believe it is highly unlikely he will walk again.

3. Throughout the course of the Second World War, he made many high-ranking enemies in Moscow, Berlin, London, and even Washington, DC. Patton's fiery determination to speak the truth had many powerful men squirming not only during the war, but also afterward. He recently went on the record praising his former German enemies for their skills as soldiers, while also criticizing the Soviet Union as being a foe rather than an ally of the United States.
Some have come to see Patton as a roadblock to world peace. And now Patton is at his most vulnerable, an easy target for any of those enemies."
O'Reilly and Dugard, " Killing Patton"



4. " On December 8, 1945, Patton's chief of staff, Major General Hobart Gay, invited him on apheasant hunting trip nearSpeyerto lift his spirits. At 11:45 on December 9, Patton and Gay were riding in Patton's1938 Cadillac Model 75 staff car driven by Private First Class Horace L. Woodring when they stopped at a railroad intersection inMannheim-Käfertalto allow a train to pass....

Woodring glanced away from the road when a 2½ ton GMC truck driven by Technical Sergeant Robert L. Thompson, who was en route to a quartermaster depot, suddenly made a left turn in front of the car. Woodring slammed the brakes and turned sharply to the left, colliding with the truck at a low speed.

Taken to a hospital in Heidelberg, Patton was discovered to have a compression fracture and dislocation of the third and fourth vertebrae, resulting in a broken neck and cervical spinal cord injury which rendered him paralyzed from the neck down. He spent most of the next 12 days in spinal traction to decrease spinal pressure. Although in some pain from this procedure, he reportedly never complained about it. All non-medical visitors, except for Patton's wife, who had flown from the U.S., were forbidden. Patton, who had been told he had no chance to ever again ride a horse or resume normal life, at one point commented, "This is a hell of a way to die." He died in his sleep of pulmonary edema and congestive heart failure at about 18:00 on December 21, 1945."
"Patton: A Biography (Great Generals)," by Alan Axelrod and Wesley K. Clark, p. 167-169

a. " The official causes of death, as listed in the army adjutant general's report, are "traumatic myelitis, transverse fourth cervical segment, pulmonary infarction, and myocardial failure, acute. There is no autopsy."
O'Reilly, Op.Cit.


b. "Patton was the only passenger hurt that cold day in what essentially was described as a "fender-bender." Two others in the car with him were uninjured, as were those in the truck that suddenly turned and caused the crash.... Where are the records of their visit -- and of the accident itself? All reports and investigations have inexplicably disappeared."
Articles The Mysterious Death of Gen. George S. Patton

How many threads will you be starting on this same quack theory I wonder?

The year is young
 
assuming that PC's copied and pasted source is correct, and Stalin had Patton killed - the question is "so?"
i mean obviously patton would care, but why should we care if stalin had one more death on his hands?
 
Those who know George Patton's politics, his revulsion of communism and all things Russian, and who also understand the....affection....that Franklin Roosevelt had for Stalin and the Soviet political elite, will find the following both interesting and hermeneutical.



Here, the proximate event:

1. "General Patton "is getting well like a house afire," the Associated Press reported
four days ago, basing its information on the army's daily 6:00 p.m. briefing about his condition. The story also reported that Patton sat up in bed, throwing off his injury "with a speed reminiscent of his wartime advances."

2. The truth, however, is far different. Gen. George S. Patton Jr. is paralyzed from the neck down. Bones in his spine were dislocated when his car collided with an army truck full of drunken joyriding soldiers. Patton's number three cervical vertebra was shattered, badly bruising his spinal cord. The good news is that he has recovered some movement in his extremities. The bad news is that his doctors believe it is highly unlikely he will walk again.

3. Throughout the course of the Second World War, he made many high-ranking enemies in Moscow, Berlin, London, and even Washington, DC. Patton's fiery determination to speak the truth had many powerful men squirming not only during the war, but also afterward. He recently went on the record praising his former German enemies for their skills as soldiers, while also criticizing the Soviet Union as being a foe rather than an ally of the United States.
Some have come to see Patton as a roadblock to world peace. And now Patton is at his most vulnerable, an easy target for any of those enemies."
O'Reilly and Dugard, " Killing Patton"



4. " On December 8, 1945, Patton's chief of staff, Major General Hobart Gay, invited him on apheasant hunting trip nearSpeyerto lift his spirits. At 11:45 on December 9, Patton and Gay were riding in Patton's1938 Cadillac Model 75 staff car driven by Private First Class Horace L. Woodring when they stopped at a railroad intersection inMannheim-Käfertalto allow a train to pass....

Woodring glanced away from the road when a 2½ ton GMC truck driven by Technical Sergeant Robert L. Thompson, who was en route to a quartermaster depot, suddenly made a left turn in front of the car. Woodring slammed the brakes and turned sharply to the left, colliding with the truck at a low speed.

Taken to a hospital in Heidelberg, Patton was discovered to have a compression fracture and dislocation of the third and fourth vertebrae, resulting in a broken neck and cervical spinal cord injury which rendered him paralyzed from the neck down. He spent most of the next 12 days in spinal traction to decrease spinal pressure. Although in some pain from this procedure, he reportedly never complained about it. All non-medical visitors, except for Patton's wife, who had flown from the U.S., were forbidden. Patton, who had been told he had no chance to ever again ride a horse or resume normal life, at one point commented, "This is a hell of a way to die." He died in his sleep of pulmonary edema and congestive heart failure at about 18:00 on December 21, 1945."
"Patton: A Biography (Great Generals)," by Alan Axelrod and Wesley K. Clark, p. 167-169

a. " The official causes of death, as listed in the army adjutant general's report, are "traumatic myelitis, transverse fourth cervical segment, pulmonary infarction, and myocardial failure, acute. There is no autopsy."
O'Reilly, Op.Cit.


b. "Patton was the only passenger hurt that cold day in what essentially was described as a "fender-bender." Two others in the car with him were uninjured, as were those in the truck that suddenly turned and caused the crash.... Where are the records of their visit -- and of the accident itself? All reports and investigations have inexplicably disappeared."
Articles The Mysterious Death of Gen. George S. Patton

How many threads will you be starting on this same quack theory I wonder?
These things are on a regimented rotation status for right winged reactionary revisionist propaganda circuits...
 
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"Pat Merle-Smith has told me of what took place during a second Berlin visit in the first week of September 1945. “The Russians were putting on a military review for all four occupying powers. [General Patton] was seated next to Marshal Zhukov and I, naturally, was with the standees a few rows below. I heard quite clearly what was said when some huge Soviet tanks passed by. ‘My dear General Patton, you see that tank, it carries a cannon which can throw a shell seven miles.’ Patton answered, ‘Indeed?’ Well, my dear Marshal Zhukov, let me tell you this, if any of my gunners started firing at your people before they had closed to less than seven hundred yards I’d have them court-martialed for cowardice.’ It was the first time I saw a Russian commander stunned into silence.”

And THAT is why Patton is going down in history as one of the greats! As for Marshal Zhukov? Never heard of the guy.

Zhukov was clever Soviet general. At first he threw his troops in front of the Germans, hoping they'd run out of bullets. Well, actually, in 1941 he advocated attacking Germany.

Later, he proved himself to be a wily and able general and pulled Stalin's chestnuts out of the fire more than once especially in the Moscow counteroffensive.

Zhukovs victories at Stalingrad and Kursk turned the tide of the war and inflicted defeats that Hitler never recovered from

That Americans know so little about the fact that it was the Soviets who bore the brunt of fighting hitler reflects our Cold War revisionist history and the overall general ignorance of todays students regarding history

Patton was not in Zhukovs league during WWII

Patton was at least Zhukov's equal and left to his own devises would have been in Berlin 6 months ahead of the USSR

As to overall ignorance regarding the fighting in the East, I'd say you were correct.

Tactically, Patton may have been superior to Zhukov

But their role during the war was not even close. Patton led the 3rd Army, Zhukov led the Red Army. Patton may have killed 100,000 Germans in battle, Zhukov killed millions

Again, no argument from me.

Had Bradley and Patton not switched positions after the Soldier Slap, Patton would have been in command and ordered that Falaise Pocket be sealed ending most of the German resistance in the West on par with the German defeat at Stalingrad.
 
Those who know George Patton's politics, his revulsion of communism and all things Russian, and who also understand the....affection....that Franklin Roosevelt had for Stalin and the Soviet political elite, will find the following both interesting and hermeneutical.



Here, the proximate event:

1. "General Patton "is getting well like a house afire," the Associated Press reported
four days ago, basing its information on the army's daily 6:00 p.m. briefing about his condition. The story also reported that Patton sat up in bed, throwing off his injury "with a speed reminiscent of his wartime advances."

2. The truth, however, is far different. Gen. George S. Patton Jr. is paralyzed from the neck down. Bones in his spine were dislocated when his car collided with an army truck full of drunken joyriding soldiers. Patton's number three cervical vertebra was shattered, badly bruising his spinal cord. The good news is that he has recovered some movement in his extremities. The bad news is that his doctors believe it is highly unlikely he will walk again.

3. Throughout the course of the Second World War, he made many high-ranking enemies in Moscow, Berlin, London, and even Washington, DC. Patton's fiery determination to speak the truth had many powerful men squirming not only during the war, but also afterward. He recently went on the record praising his former German enemies for their skills as soldiers, while also criticizing the Soviet Union as being a foe rather than an ally of the United States.
Some have come to see Patton as a roadblock to world peace. And now Patton is at his most vulnerable, an easy target for any of those enemies."
O'Reilly and Dugard, " Killing Patton"



4. " On December 8, 1945, Patton's chief of staff, Major General Hobart Gay, invited him on apheasant hunting trip nearSpeyerto lift his spirits. At 11:45 on December 9, Patton and Gay were riding in Patton's1938 Cadillac Model 75 staff car driven by Private First Class Horace L. Woodring when they stopped at a railroad intersection inMannheim-Käfertalto allow a train to pass....

Woodring glanced away from the road when a 2½ ton GMC truck driven by Technical Sergeant Robert L. Thompson, who was en route to a quartermaster depot, suddenly made a left turn in front of the car. Woodring slammed the brakes and turned sharply to the left, colliding with the truck at a low speed.

Taken to a hospital in Heidelberg, Patton was discovered to have a compression fracture and dislocation of the third and fourth vertebrae, resulting in a broken neck and cervical spinal cord injury which rendered him paralyzed from the neck down. He spent most of the next 12 days in spinal traction to decrease spinal pressure. Although in some pain from this procedure, he reportedly never complained about it. All non-medical visitors, except for Patton's wife, who had flown from the U.S., were forbidden. Patton, who had been told he had no chance to ever again ride a horse or resume normal life, at one point commented, "This is a hell of a way to die." He died in his sleep of pulmonary edema and congestive heart failure at about 18:00 on December 21, 1945."
"Patton: A Biography (Great Generals)," by Alan Axelrod and Wesley K. Clark, p. 167-169

a. " The official causes of death, as listed in the army adjutant general's report, are "traumatic myelitis, transverse fourth cervical segment, pulmonary infarction, and myocardial failure, acute. There is no autopsy."
O'Reilly, Op.Cit.


b. "Patton was the only passenger hurt that cold day in what essentially was described as a "fender-bender." Two others in the car with him were uninjured, as were those in the truck that suddenly turned and caused the crash.... Where are the records of their visit -- and of the accident itself? All reports and investigations have inexplicably disappeared."
Articles The Mysterious Death of Gen. George S. Patton

How many threads will you be starting on this same quack theory I wonder?


1. I know of no other thread on the murder of General Patton.
Do you?
Or is it your dementia kicking in?


2. If you aren't satisfied with the thread you can have your money back.
Of course, the amount you have contributed to the discussion in less than zero, isn't it.

I can see why your report cards always commented "works to ability."
 
This belongs in conspiracy theories

Like everything else she's ever posted.


It's pathological.

I think all her posts should automatically go to conspiracy theories. If it turns out that any of her posts has any other actual merit they can be sorted and distributed appropriately from there.


I understand your fear.

We should all be afraid when crazy fuckers like you have a platform to speak as though you were normal.



"Normal"?

A limited edition.
 
assuming that PC's copied and pasted source is correct, and Stalin had Patton killed - the question is "so?"
i mean obviously patton would care, but why should we care if stalin had one more death on his hands?

You have to buy into her other fantasy that FDR and Stalin were, since we're in French mode this week,

les bons copains...
 
The best lies are the ones that have the most truth in them.


So....that's what you have monogrammed on your straightjacket?

The term is straitjacket. Like in Dire Straits.


"A straitjacket or straightjacket[1] is a garment shaped like a jacket with overlong sleeves and is typically used to restrain a person who may otherwise cause harm to him/herself or others."
Straitjacket - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


One would have thought, based on your history, you've bee familiar with every spelling of the term.
 
The best lies are the ones that have the most truth in them.


So....that's what you have monogrammed on your straightjacket?

The term is straitjacket. Like in Dire Straits.


"A straitjacket or straightjacket[1] is a garment shaped like a jacket with overlong sleeves and is typically used to restrain a person who may otherwise cause harm to him/herself or others."
Straitjacket - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


One would have thought, based on your history, you've bee familiar with every spelling of the term.

Yes, good point, occasionally they dumb down the spelling of a word so that the common folk can feel like they fit in.
 
The best lies are the ones that have the most truth in them.


So....that's what you have monogrammed on your straightjacket?

The term is straitjacket. Like in Dire Straits.


"A straitjacket or straightjacket[1] is a garment shaped like a jacket with overlong sleeves and is typically used to restrain a person who may otherwise cause harm to him/herself or others."
Straitjacket - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


One would have thought, based on your history, you've bee familiar with every spelling of the term.

Yes, good point, occasionally they dumb down the spelling of a word so that the common folk can feel like they fit in.


Did they shrink down your staightjacket so you could fit in?
 
So PC, what's the point of the thread? You just felt like making unsubstantiated (and timely) claims that Stalin had Patton killed, or was their a reason for this thread?
 
The best lies are the ones that have the most truth in them.


So....that's what you have monogrammed on your straightjacket?

The term is straitjacket. Like in Dire Straits.


"A straitjacket or straightjacket[1] is a garment shaped like a jacket with overlong sleeves and is typically used to restrain a person who may otherwise cause harm to him/herself or others."
Straitjacket - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


One would have thought, based on your history, you've bee familiar with every spelling of the term.

Yes, good point, occasionally they dumb down the spelling of a word so that the common folk can feel like they fit in.


Did they shrink down your staightjacket so you could fit in?

I don't fit in anywhere. That's my sole source of pride.
 
Is that an OSS agent?


Excellent.
So glad you brought up the OSS....it plays a major role in the story.

Next piece in this puzzle.....Roosevelt's minions:

"The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was a United States intelligence agency formed duringWorld War II. It was the wartime intelligence agency, and a predecessor of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)....Roosevelt requested that William J. Donovan draft a plan for an intelligence service based on the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) and Special Operations Executive....The Office of Strategic Services was established by a Presidential military order issued by President Roosevelt on June 13, 1942, to collect and analyze strategic information required by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and to conduct special operations..." Office of Strategic Services - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



7. The OSS's Wild Bill Donovan "Donovan undertook what was known as Operation Jedburgh, in which teams of British, French, and American commandos parachuted into Nazi-occupied Europe and conducted the espionage that laid the groundwork for D-day. The men selected to be "Jedburghs" were trained in firearms, sabotage, and close-quarters fighting.

In early 1945, while staying at Claridge's, his favorite London hotel, Donovan met with a Jedburgh soldier named Douglas Bazata. The thirty-four-year-old Bazata was a red-haired former U.S. Marine .... was also a top marksman and was once the unofficial heavyweight boxing champion of the Marine Corps.

As he sat down for lunch, Bazata was curious: "You have an additional mission for me? You can trust me totally. I am the servant of the United States, of the OSS and General Donovan."

"Douglas, I do indeed have a problem," Donovan admitted. They were at a corner table, where they could not be overheard. "It is the extreme disobedience of General George Patton, and of his very serious disregard of orders for the common cause."

"Shall I kill him, sir?" Bazata was eager to please Donovan, but also cautious. He had met Patton before and liked the general.

"Yes, Douglas. You do exactly what you must. It is now totally your creation."
O'Reilly, Op. Cit, p.294-295


Stalin wanted to be sure that a man with Patton's understanding of the aims of the communists were eliminated.
Roosevelt did everything he could to please Stalin.
Donovan did everything he could to please Roosevelt.
Bazata did everything he could to please Donovan.

More to come.
 
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