Gee Wally, what the hell happened to our country?

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Do you really think that is a societal problem...someone exercising free expression?

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When they use it as an excuse to touch other people's children, it sure is.







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[Mac-7]

Yes. Homosexuals were sent to prison, Negroes couldn't vote and were regularly being lynched, and women had no voice.

That's what our games show host is talking about when he says Make America Great AGAIN.

Practicing homosexuality was against the law

They were sent prison not for what they were but for things they did

Such as grabbing another man’s dick in a public bathroom

Like the man said, if you cant do the crime, dont do the crime

 

[candycorn]

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When they use it as an excuse to touch other people's children, it sure is.







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Is that unique to transvestites? Trump’s pedo buddies were not trans; were they?

 

[candycorn]

Yes. Homosexuals were sent to prison, Negroes couldn't vote and were regularly being lynched, and women had no voice.

That's what our games show host is talking about when he says Make America Great AGAIN.

Correct.

 

[JohnDB]

The other issue with "Leave it to Beaver" was that everyone had only 2 children in their households...

That's not how things really worked.

At that time in history we were at population replacement fertility for women. ( >2.1)
Meaning most families had a minimum of 3 children and most had 4. (Math has not changed)

Most women wanted to be married with children and home they belonged to. +90%

Today the majority of women are valuing a career over marital relationships and children.

You gotta figure....4% fewer girls to men ratio will be born. Then 10% of those women will be incapable of birthing children. (Medical problems and inability to choose a guy because of career and etc). Then another 5% of women will have other issues such as death/suicide, accidents, or incarceration.

So....
Doing quick and dirty math here....
Out of 200 people....only 80 women will have children. And 2 kids per household will not result in replacement rates. Because that's only 160 children. Not the 200 you started with or the 210 children truly needed. (Death, infertility and etc).

Sooooo
Every household needs a minimum of three and actually more to achieve replacement numbers.

And the larger the percentage of women who choose careers over marriage/families the larger the number of children needed in the procreating families....which can result in untenable numbers fairly quickly.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The other issue with "Leave it to Beaver" was that everyone had only 2 children in their households...

That's not how things really worked.

At that time in history we were at population replacement fertility for women. ( >2.1)
Meaning most families had a minimum of 3 children and most had 4. (Math has not changed)

Most women wanted to be married with children and home they belonged to. +90%

Today the majority of women are valuing a career over marital relationships and children.

You gotta figure....4% fewer girls to men ratio will be born. Then 10% of those women will be incapable of birthing children. (Medical problems and inability to choose a guy because of career and etc). Then another 5% of women will have other issues such as death/suicide, accidents, or incarceration.

So....
Doing quick and dirty math here....
Out of 200 people....only 80 women will have children. And 2 kids per household will not result in replacement rates. Because that's only 160 children. Not the 200 you started with or the 210 children truly needed. (Death, infertility and etc).

Sooooo
Every household needs a minimum of three and actually more to achieve replacement numbers.

And the larger the percentage of women who choose careers over marriage/families the larger the number of children needed in the procreating families....which can result in untenable numbers fairly quickly.

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Catholic mothers are my heroes! There are many families that I see in Mass with four and five children. I share a pew with four generations of the same family, and the youngest parents have two kids and no plans of stopping, and the mother of this beginning generation is a veterinarian -- great example of a woman who doesn't have to choose between children and a career.

Women have been convinced that they can't do both. It's a shame.

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[JohnDB]

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Catholic mothers are my heroes! There are many families that I see in Mass with four and five children. I share a pew with four generations of the same family, and the youngest parents have two kids and no plans of stopping, and the mother of this beginning generation is a veterinarian -- great example of a woman who doesn't have to choose between children and a career.

Women have been convinced that they can't do both. It's a shame.

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If only.....
Today this next generation leaving high school is somewhere around a 20-30% of women foreseeing marriage and children as important goals to achieve.

That skews the numbers horribly to where it's something like 20 children per household if we wish to achieve replacement. (Untenable).....

And those numbers aren't really off either. Just watched "Graduation Sunday" with girls and boys graduating High School paraded on stage....

Of the 11 graduates. (8 were girls) only ONE who said she wanted to go to a local technical school really seemed more likely she was interested in a MRS Degree at college than anything else....

The rest were all super ambitious and hungry for career success after college even if unlikely to achieve it.

The statistics for % of students actually completing college are abysmal. Boys have the worst numbers currently but girls are catching up rapidly.

And I don't have the heart to tell those kids....the girl looking for her MRS degree at the "Blue Collar" school is the most likely to succeed out of all of the kids I seen.
Skilled trades have been absolutely desperate for decades.
The numbers of people taking those jobs as careers intentionally have been in the dumpster since the 80's. Meaning the percentage of truly skilled professionals in skilled trades has dropped for the past 30 years.
Sure, you can throw bodies at the situation and a LOT of the work is just grunt labor....but the few true professionals who have focused on doing their trade....they are making BANK with a line of jobs waiting to hire someone.

So yeah....the statistics say she will have a simple job she will walk in and out of and have a passel of kids and upper middle class husband earning more than most....and unless they do a bunch of vehicle loans....no debt to speak of so they likely will buy a farmhouse with lots of land. (Common around here).

They, on the other hand....
$100k debt if they finish school....(most wont....30% will)
60k annual salary....sharing an apartment with others.
Loneliness epidemic charter member.
They work so they might afford one treat per month. Rest is debt payments.
Stress management is their biggest career challenge.
Staring at phone SM on off hours because they feel too broke to do anything else.
Going "home" for holidays to feel loved but belittled by family members....just to be discounted by associates and boss at work.

I hate to be pessimistic....but it's the reality many are facing.
That one young lady who acted just a smidgen silly and happy is going to far surpass the rest in every marker of success. (She wasn't the prettiest either but definitely not ugly by any imaginative matrix)

 

[Dragonlady]

"What happened?" Mostly we saw the rise of the welfare state, disguised as the 'Great Society' and gov't spending went nuts. Then we went off the gold standard and fiat money lead to outrageous deficits and debt. Throw in Vietnam, Watergate, 9/11, a couple of bad recessions and here we are.

It’s not the rise of the welfare state, fool. It’s the rise of the oligarchy and the transfer of wealth from the working and middle class, to the top 10% of wealthy individuals and/or corporations.

 

[Dragonlady]

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Catholic mothers are my heroes! There are many families that I see in Mass with four and five children. I share a pew with four generations of the same family, and the youngest parents have two kids and no plans of stopping, and the mother of this beginning generation is a veterinarian -- great example of a woman who doesn't have to choose between children and a career.

Women have been convinced that they can't do both. It's a shame.

Women haven’t been given a choice. my generation had to work to buy houses and live the middle class life. At least we weren’t being crushed by an average debt of $50,000 when we graduated.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Women haven’t been given a choice. my generation had to work to buy houses and live the middle class life. At least we weren’t being crushed by an average debt of $50,000 when we graduated.

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Are you calling me a liar?

Have I been hallucinating all those children in the pews next to me? Not just children, three to five at a time, but mom is also pregnant with the next one?

Sorry, these are people that my local neighbors have known for decades.







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[Dragonlady]

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Are you calling me a liar?

Have I been hallucinating all those children in the pews next to me? Not just children, three to five at a time, but mom is also pregnant with the next one?

Sorry, these are people that my local neighbors have known for decades.

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If I was going to call you a liar, I would have called you a liar. Don’t pretend to be paraphrasing what I posted.

Given that the American birth rate averages 1.6 children per woman, I would say that your experience is very atypical. Fewer than 1/3 children has a full time parent at home.

Almost 1 in 5 stay-at-home parents in the U.S. are dads

In 2021, 18% of parents didn’t work for pay, which was unchanged from 2016, according to a new analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Failzero]

70% of Folks under 45 have been brainwashed by Marxist Teachers & Profs from pre school to post grad school

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

If I was going to call you a liar, I would have called you a liar. Don’t pretend to be paraphrasing what I posted.

Given that the American birth rate averages 1.6 children per woman, I would say that your experience is very atypical. Fewer than 1/3 children has a full time parent at home.

Almost 1 in 5 stay-at-home parents in the U.S. are dads

In 2021, 18% of parents didn’t work for pay, which was unchanged from 2016, according to a new analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data.

www.pewresearch.org

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Yeah, right.

Flyover country is beautiful. Full of families who are always growing.

All that's too bad is that you can't prove me wrong. Ticks you off, we know






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[hadit]

Essentially the television show was a very narrow view of American society. You didn’t hear about the freedom riders, Jim Crow, systemic discrimination.... So the show was a lie.
What is also faulty is the interpretation of the message. Back in those days, unions were strong, workers had some rights, pensions, were loyal; cared about a quality job because they planned to be working for the same company 5-15 years later. Towns had good tax bases so you had good schools, roads, etc..

It represented the American ideal as seen in that day and time. What do TV shows present as the American ideal today?

Solid nuclear family? Nope.
Streets safe to walk in? Nope.
Kids free to play outside? Nope.

Nothing is presented as ideal. Everything is presented as warped, damaged, problematic. In short, whether life was actually like that or not, that's what people WANTED their lives to be like, and enough had that life that the show resonated with the audience. Want to know what a society thinks is important? Look at the entertainment.

 

[Failzero]

It represented the American ideal as seen in that day and time. What do TV shows present as the American ideal today?

Solid nuclear family? Nope.
Streets safe to walk in? Nope.
Kids free to play outside? Nope.

Nothing is presented as ideal. Everything is presented as warped, damaged, problematic. In short, whether life was actually like that or not, that's what people WANTED their lives to be like, and enough had that life that the show resonated with the audience. Want to know what a society thinks is important? Look at the entertainment.

America of 1959 was peak America today is damaged

 

[hadit]

America of 1959 was peak America toda is damaged

What is normally not voiced when talking about that time frame is the reality that WWII destroyed the manufacturing bases of most of the world, making us the big dogs on the block. Anyone who wanted to modernize or enter the 20th century had to play nice with us.

 

[candycorn]

Solid nuclear family? Nope.

Not in many cases but also is the norm more often than not.

Streets safe to walk in? Nope.

Meh, about 90-95% of the streets are what I’d call safe. I see kids walking to school every morning when I leave work. When I go to Jersey Mike’s or the gym on my nights off, I see kids all over the damn place. Is it bad? Yep. Is it as bad as many are pretending. No.

What is worse, in my opinion, are the tens of thousands of mixed/hurtful messages kids get every week or month. Lose weight, be yourself, be cool, buy this, buy that, stop being a consumer, what about your future...you need to study more, don’t grow up too fast....

Danger exists out there but it’s not as terrible as many think.

Kids free to play outside? Nope.

Laughably false. Go to a skatepark sometime.

If anything, kids don’t want to play outside

Nothing is presented as ideal. Everything is presented as warped, damaged, problematic. In short, whether life was actually like that or not, that's what people WANTED their lives to be like, and enough had that life that the show resonated with the audience. Want to know what a society thinks is important? Look at the entertainment.

ok

 

[Chuz Life]

So many minds expending so much time looking for a simple answer to such an obviously complicated problem.

The genie is out of the bottle.

The innocence (to the extent we ever had it) is gone.

Even if we fully understand what "went wrong."

It can't ever be undone.

The best we can hope for is that as many as possible will try to do better going forward.

 

[hadit]

Not in many cases but also is the norm more often than not.

In popular entertainment, where do you see a nuclear family that has solid relationships, Mom and Dad basically get along and set boundaries for the kids that they enforce, the kids are pretty well behaved, communicate with their parents and respect boundaries set for them?

Meh, about 90-95% of the streets are what I’d call safe. I see kids walking to school every morning when I leave work. When I go to Jersey Mike’s or the gym on my nights off, I see kids all over the damn place. Is it bad? Yep. Is it as bad as many are pretending. No.

First, In popular entertainment, where do you see this?
Second, what ages are these "kids"? I was free to ride my bike up to the school and play on the playground before I was 10. Do you actually see that going on today?

What is worse, in my opinion, are the tens of thousands of mixed/hurtful messages kids get every week or month. Lose weight, be yourself, be cool, buy this, buy that, stop being a consumer, what about your future...you need to study more, don’t grow up too fast....

That's why most kids should be prevented from using social media at all.

Danger exists out there but it’s not as terrible as many think.

Again, In popular entertainment, where do you see the ideal of safe streets and kids able to play without a parent never more than 100 feet away?

Laughably false. Go to a skatepark sometime.

How young are the unsupervised kids?

If anything, kids don’t want to play outside

We didn't always want to either, but our parents had something to say about that too. Case in point, look up Emily Fields. She had 3 kids, 12, 11, and 9 and she was repeatedly harassed by officials because she allowed them to play in their own back yard. Today's society views normal childhood play as something that requires 100% parental involvement at all times.

ok

Yup. The bottom line remains, the TV shows of previous generations reflected an ideal that shows of today simply do not. Today's shows present parents as morons who just get in the way of their kids actually running things, and no one's every safe to just grow up.

 

[rightwinger]

We have MAGA full of Eddie Haskells