Gays have it made! Places in the world where it's actually not okay to be gay

[NYcarbineer]

How many nutters ACTUALLY believe that gay Americans are being intolerant of anyone by insisting that they have the exact same rights as straight Americans?

How many actual idiots do we have here?

well you're one. Again give me an argument for being gay that I cant use for being a pedophile or bestiality. I want to hear these.

Right after you give us an argument for being heterosexual that can't be used, by your standards,

for being a pedophile or bestiality.

 

[protectionist]

Yes, I'm the intolerant one because I don't want to be a 2nd class citizen. Go with that.

Criminals in prisons don't want to be 2nd class citizens either. But they are - for the protection of society. When one deviates from society's norms, one enters 2nd class citizen territory.

awesome thinking. you are a great american.

 

[protectionist]

How many nutters ACTUALLY believe that gay Americans are being intolerant of anyone by insisting that they have the exact same rights as straight Americans?

How many actual idiots do we have here?

It's not a matter of what queers do or don't tolerate. The party who is correct, is the proper point of reference to be considered, not the party who is incorrect. Thus, what matters is the rights of straight Americans to not tolerate homosexuality, or at least keep it away from circumstances where it is harmful.

 

[protectionist]

Moreover, because 14th Amendment jurisprudence is applicable only to the states and local jurisdictions, private organizations such as churches and other religious institutions remain at liberty to exclude same-sex couples, and retain religious marriage dogma for men and women only.

What exactly is it that you are saying about the 14th amendment ?

what exactly are you Protecting?

U.S. Constitution | Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

What I am protecting is the American people. As for the Constitution, what about it ?

 

[KNB]

It's a very bad idea for the American Conservative Christian right-wing to cite African brutality against homosexuals as a sign that gays and lesbians in the US "have it pretty good".

Do American Conservatives understand that those are "good" African Christians who are killing the homosexuals and lesbians? It's religious doctrine taken to the most extreme right. They are told that "Homosexuality is an abnormal perversion that must be wiped out, so sayeth the Lord" or whatever ancient voodoo nonsense they believe, so they torture and kill homosexuals and lesbians.

So American Christians shouldn't try to make themselves out to be better than murderous African Christians when American Christians won't condemn those African Christians for killing people in the name of Jesus.

 

[protectionist]

How many nutters ACTUALLY believe that gay Americans are being intolerant of anyone by insisting that they have the exact same rights as straight Americans?

How many actual idiots do we have here?

well you're one. Again give me an argument for being gay that I cant use for being a pedophile or bestiality. I want to hear these.

Right after you give us an argument for being heterosexual that can't be used, by your standards,

for being a pedophile or bestiality.

OBVIOUSLY, that argument is that nature has designed humans (and all other members of the animal kingdom) anatomically for heterosexual sex with adult members of their opposite sex, not with children or animals. Would you also like an argument for why fish are better suited for water than land, or why cars work better with wheels than without them ?

 

[Noomi]

Given all the hullabaloo over gay rights in America, one should assume that America is the worst place in the world to be gay, right? Wrong. There are places in this world that will kill you, or imprison you for inordinate amounts of time for being gay. So why, homosexuals/liberals do you act as if America is the worst place for a gay person to be? They have it made here in America. You fight for rights, homosexuals around the world are fighting for their lives.

Surprising isn't it?

And they are all backwards countries that no one would want to visit in a million years.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Aaron. That is a deflection, and a dodge.

Gays and liberals like you don't seem to notice that America isn't the obstacle to being gay, it never has been. You claim that homosexuals are being repressed in America, but they come nowhere close to being such.

I won't bake that gay cake, not if I have to put my religious rights into the mixing bowl. No sir.

Nobody has claimed that America is an obstacle to being gay. The religious right is an obstacle to gays receiving the same marriage benefits as heterosexual couples.

So, if America weren't an obstacle, why are liberals making gay rights an issue in America of all places?

Because in America we have a Constitution, its case law, and the rule of law, where all citizens are entitled to equal protection of the law, including the right of same-sex couples to access marriage law.

That this has to be explained to you is just as repugnant as your ignorant assertion that gay Americans should just shut up and enjoy being discriminated against, at least they’re not being killed.

It is an issue in America “in all places” because American citizens enjoy more freedom than any people anywhere else in the world, because America is the greatest Nation in the world, and because we set the standard for human rights and dignity.

That you and others on the right seek to deny gay Americans their civil liberties undermines the freedoms of all Americans, including yours.

Last, this isn’t about “liberals making gay rights an issue,” it’s made an issue as a consequence of the social right’s hostility toward gay Americans, and conservatives who wish to deny same-sex couples their 14th Amendment right to equal protection of the law.

 

[RDD_1210]

Holy shit, what a terrible thread. Could the OP be anymore retarded?

 

[protectionist]

Nobody has claimed that America is an obstacle to being gay. The religious right is an obstacle to gays receiving the same marriage benefits as heterosexual couples.

So, if America weren't an obstacle, why are liberals making gay rights an issue in America of all places?

Because in America we have a Constitution, its case law, and the rule of law, where all citizens are entitled to equal protection of the law, including the right of same-sex couples to access marriage law.

That this has to be explained to you is just as repugnant as your ignorant assertion that gay Americans should just shut up and enjoy being discriminated against, at least they’re not being killed.

It is an issue in America “in all places” because American citizens enjoy more freedom than any people anywhere else in the world, because America is the greatest Nation in the world, and because we set the standard for human rights and dignity.

That you and others on the right seek to deny gay Americans their civil liberties undermines the freedoms of all Americans, including yours.

Last, this isn’t about “liberals making gay rights an issue,” it’s made an issue as a consequence of the social right’s hostility toward gay Americans, and conservatives who wish to deny same-sex couples their 14th Amendment right to equal protection of the law.

You say the constitution guarantees queers "equal protection of the law". That's nice.
Here's THE LAW you're talking about.

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - it prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. At no time since 1964 has this been amended to include homosexuals.

As for equal protection of the law as stated in the 14th amendment, there are exceptions. Many of them. Some people are confined to mental institutions. Some are incarcerated in prisons. Neither of these have equal protection of the law to freely go walking through the streets. Some people (with criminal records cannot buy guns). Some cannot get drivers licenses. Some (sex offenders) have restrictions. etc, etc.

That you and others on the (whatever it is you're on) seek to deny Americans their civil liberties to live in a homosexual-free environment, undermines the freedoms of all Americans, including yours.

Queers do not have a 14th Amendment right of equal protection of the law. The question of whether the equal protection clause has been violated arises when a state grants a particular class of individuals the right to engage in an activity yet denies other individuals the same right. There is no clear rule for deciding when a classification is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has dictated the application of different tests depending on the type of classification and its effect on fundamental rights. Traditionally, the Court finds a state classification constitutional if it has "a rational basis" to a "legitimate state purpose." The Supreme Court, however, has applied more stringent analysis in certain cases. It will "strictly scrutinize" a distinction when it embodies a "suspect classification." In order for a classification to be subject to strict scrutiny, it must be shown that the state law or its administration is meant to discriminate. Usually, if a purpose to discriminate is found the classification will be strictly scrutinized if it is based on race, national origin, or, in some situations, non U.S. citizenship (the suspect classes). In order for a classification to be found permissible under this test it must be proven, by the state, that there is a compelling interest to the law and that the classification is necessary to further that interest.

Interesting phrase that "compelling interest" is. Does a state have a compelling interest, for instance, to keep queers out of classrooms ? Of course it does. It has a interest to prevent queers from spreading their sick perversions to kids with young impressionable minds. Few better and stronger examples of compelling interest have ever existed in American society.

 

[protectionist]

Given all the hullabaloo over gay rights in America, one should assume that America is the worst place in the world to be gay, right? Wrong. There are places in this world that will kill you, or imprison you for inordinate amounts of time for being gay. So why, homosexuals/liberals do you act as if America is the worst place for a gay person to be? They have it made here in America. You fight for rights, homosexuals around the world are fighting for their lives.

Surprising isn't it?

And they are all backwards countries that no one would want to visit in a million years.

The better question is where are all the countries that like homosexuals and treat them perfectly equally ? Once we know that, we'll know where to get plane tickets to ship all the queers to (ONE WAY tickets of course).

 

[TemplarKormac]

Given all the hullabaloo over gay rights in America, one should assume that America is the worst place in the world to be gay, right? Wrong. There are places in this world that will kill you, or imprison you for inordinate amounts of time for being gay. So why, homosexuals/liberals do you act as if America is the worst place for a gay person to be? They have it made here in America. You fight for rights, homosexuals around the world are fighting for their lives.

Surprising isn't it?

And they are all backwards countries that no one would want to visit in a million years.

Actually, Noomi, Jamaica imprisons people for being homosexual, and as far as I know they are a thriving tourist attraction...

 

[RDD_1210]

Maybe Templar should focus on getting a job and not thinking of ways to hate gay people.

 

[Seawytch]

Criminals in prisons don't want to be 2nd class citizens either. But they are - for the protection of society. When one deviates from society's norms, one enters 2nd class citizen territory.

awesome thinking. you are a great american.

^^^ Does not understand or recognize sarcasm when he sees it^^^

 

[protectionist]

awesome thinking. you are a great american.

^^^ Does not understand or recognize sarcasm when he sees it^^^

>>> Does not understand the ability to turn one's own words against him, when he sees it.

 

[protectionist]

Given all the hullabaloo over gay rights in America, one should assume that America is the worst place in the world to be gay, right? Wrong. There are places in this world that will kill you, or imprison you for inordinate amounts of time for being gay. So why, homosexuals/liberals do you act as if America is the worst place for a gay person to be? They have it made here in America. You fight for rights, homosexuals around the world are fighting for their lives.

Surprising isn't it?

And they are all backwards countries that no one would want to visit in a million years.

Actually, Noomi, Jamaica imprisons people for being homosexual, and as far as I know they are a thriving tourist attraction...

You can add Belize and India to that list, and note also that the next time Noomi gets on the phone with a customer service rep, that rep just might be speaking to her from India.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Maybe Templar should focus on getting a job and not thinking of ways to hate gay people.

No, thinking of ways to hate gay people is more important than getting a job.

Besides, telling Americans to stop complaining about having their civil rights violated is hard work.

 

[AceRothstein]

Given all the hullabaloo over gay rights in America, one should assume that America is the worst place in the world to be gay, right? Wrong. There are places in this world that will kill you, or imprison you for inordinate amounts of time for being gay. So why, homosexuals/liberals do you act as if America is the worst place for a gay person to be? They have it made here in America. You fight for rights, homosexuals around the world are fighting for their lives.

Surprising isn't it?

And they are all backwards countries that no one would want to visit in a million years.

Actually, Noomi, Jamaica imprisons people for being homosexual, and as far as I know they are a thriving tourist attraction...

Oh look, you picked one of the few exceptions to the rule. I said this earlier in the thread but look at the company social cons want to keep on this issue based on your OP.

 

[protectionist]

Maybe Templar should focus on getting a job and not thinking of ways to hate gay people.

No, thinking of ways to hate gay people is more important than getting a job.

Besides, telling Americans to stop complaining about having their civil rights violated is hard work.

I haven't seen anyone around here telling anybody to stop complaining about having their civil rights violated. Nor have I seen any discussion about civil rights violations.

 

[KNB]

Nor have I seen any discussion about civil rights violations.

Denying homosexual and lesbian couples their right to be legally married is a civil rights violation. Just because you don't recognize it as such doesn't mean that it isn't a violation.