Gang members lie on Federal Background check forms, get guns illegally....gun control works?

[Rigby5]

The gun stores know who they are selling to. They don't care. They've made it abundantly clear they don't care. Crooks having guns is GOOD FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

Come on, there's a reason why the gun industry opposes closing the gun show loophole, tighter background checks, etc.

Sorry, that is ignorant.

First of all, less than 1% of guns in the US are used in crime, so your notion gun stores are deliberately selling to criminals is totally false.

Second is there is NO gun show loop hole.
I have purchased and sold about 20 guns, mostly at gun shows, and not once was one allowed without a full background check.
Why, because gun shows are always at government buildings, like state fair grounds, National Guard armories, etc., where they always require vendors to do full background checks. If a small vendor does not have the license or equipment, they share with the larger dealers who do.
I have done to hundreds of gun shows in over a dozen cities, and not once was able to bypass the mandatory background checks at any gun show.
It is true these is no law requiring background checks at gun shows, but they still all do it.

 

[2aguy]

I want to stop selling guns to everyone.

But if you really think that if Granny is in a shop in Indiana to buy her tenth gun to take back to Chicago, and no one in the shop really has any idea what is going on, I have some Swampland in Florida I want to sell you.

So it's really simple. Let the gun industry run background checks, they can add the cost to the sale of the gun.

And when their products kill someone, THEN they can take it to court and try to convince a jury.

Shit head.......gun stores already run Federally mandated background checks on every single gun sale......criminals use straw buyers who can pass those background checks..

You know this....you are an extremist.

 

[DrLove]

So they falsified information. The feds should have caught this earlier than they did, but it certainly doesn’t absolve the gun shop for failing to recognize a phony ID.

But chances good they took a quick glance at the phony ID & said - Okay, you boys look legit. Have they been arrested yet

 

[Jarlaxle]

Why? They did nothing wrong....they followed the law....you dumb ass.

Why not sue car makers when a drunk plows into another car? You really are stupid beyond measure.

No, not stupid. Joey is EVIL.

 

[Jarlaxle]

People speed all the time......speed limits work?

Yes...they act as the revenue source they are intended to be!

 

[2aguy]

So they falsified information. The feds should have caught this earlier than they did, but it certainly doesn’t absolve the gun shop for failing to recognize a phony ID.

But chances good they took a quick glance at the phony ID & said - Okay, you boys look legit. Have they been arrested yet

Are you stupid? They run full background checks on every gun sale.....the majority of the time the buyers have clean records and the gangs use them specifically because the straw buyer has a clean record.......so they will pass any background check.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean the gun that she kept where he could get easy access to it, and took him to the range to show him how to use it, and filled his head with crazy Prepper nonsense every day.

Mama Lanza is a co-conspirator, not a victim. Nobody calls her the 27th victim.

That wasn't the point. Nobody can condone what she did. The point is that the system worked in stopping him from buying a firearm from a licensed dealer.

 

[DrLove]

Really, when does this happen.

'Eye-popping numbers': Chicago sues Indiana gun store tied to 850 firearms recovered from crime scenes

The city of Chicago is suing an Indiana gun store it says is one of the main sources of illicit firearms for the criminal market.

www.usatoday.com

Check this out. 850 guns recovered from crimes in Chicago all came from ONE GUN STORE>

I mean, one or two guns getting through, I can see. But 850? Do the employees all have white canes?

And, yes, this gun store is still in business.

Westforth Sports

Look at their happy employees, who apparently let at least 850 guns get into the hands of crooks from Chicago.

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Trump voters no doubt - Cha CHING!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Fake ID market bypasses anti-fraud measures

High-quality fake IDs are readily available on the internet

www.techradar.com

And that's not even mentioning the "fake" IDs that are perfect...because they are made by people the DMV in exchange for cash!

 

[JoeB131]

The sellers can not be sued for something they have no control over, like what the buyer decides to do with the gun.

Sure they can. And when the jury hears that gun store sold 850 guns that were eventually recovered in crimes in Chicago, they can draw their own conclusions.

You see, there's a reason why your iron has a label on it that says, "Do not iron clothes while wearing them". Because some idiot did that, burned himself and sued the iron company.

They run background checks, they are added into the cost of the weapon.

are you really that naive?

The background checks are inadequate.. that's the point.

If they had done an adequate background check on Joker Holmes, they'd have found out he was mentally ill and his university was in the process of throwing him out. NOT the kind of person you'd want to sell an AR-15 and a 100 round magazine to.

Moron....he could have stabbed her to death in her sleep and then gotten the guns....you idiot.........

But he didn't have to. He just picked up the gun she left out for easy reach and shot her with it because she was going to put him in a home.

 

[Rigby5]

You mean the gun that she kept where he could get easy access to it, and took him to the range to show him how to use it, and filled his head with crazy Prepper nonsense every day.

Mama Lanza is a co-conspirator, not a victim. Nobody calls her the 27th victim.

Nancy Lanza kept her guns locked up.
But it is just not that hard to break through locks.
No one needs to be shown how to use modern firearms, since they are so easy to use.
There is no evidence she was a "Prepper" or had filled her son with any ideas.
He simply had " Asperger syndrome and as a teenager suffered from depression, anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorder", and was being abused in school.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I have little doubt you've been conned into buy lots of swampland.



They run background checks, they are added into the cost of the weapon.

are you really that naive?

No, he is not naive. Joey is dishonest and malicious.

 

[DrLove]

Why would we ban guns after Sandy Hook?

the kid actually killed his mother to get his hands on a gun.

When he blew away his mother, he already HAD the damn gun. Think Will - THINK!

 

[JoeB131]

And that is a good thing....a guy murders his mother, steals his guns, and you want to ban and confiscate 600 million guns from the millions of Americans who own them......who didn't use them for any crime...

Do you realize you are mentally ill and need help?

But whose fault is that? Mama Lanza was a mentally ill prepper. She was stockpiling guns. What she needed was therapy, not more guns.

20 children and six teachers paid a price.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So they falsified information. The feds should have caught this earlier than they did, but it certainly doesn’t absolve the gun shop for failing to recognize a phony ID.

But chances good they took a quick glance at the phony ID & said - Okay, you boys look legit. Have they been arrested yet

What about Hunter Biden? Everybody knew he was a drug addict that got kicked out of the military, yet he lied on a federal firearms application and illegally bought a firearm with it.

If a dealer doesn't know somebody as famous as Hunter was not legally allowed to buy a firearm, how would they know if any Tom, Dick or Harry is?

 

[2aguy]

Sure they can. And when the jury hears that gun store sold 850 guns that were eventually recovered in crimes in Chicago, they can draw their own conclusions.

You see, there's a reason why your iron has a label on it that says, "Do not iron clothes while wearing them". Because some idiot did that, burned himself and sued the iron company.




The background checks are inadequate.. that's the point.

If they had done an adequate background check on Joker Holmes, they'd have found out he was mentally ill and his university was in the process of throwing him out. NOT the kind of person you'd want to sell an AR-15 and a 100 round magazine to.



But he didn't have to. He just picked up the gun she left out for easy reach and shot her with it because she was going to put him in a home.

Moron.....you blame the victims and want to release the criminals....you are insane...

Your god, "The Government," can't do anything right...the background checks fail because criminals get around them through people with clean records....so nothing a gun store can do will catch them.......you know this, but you want to exploit this to ban and confiscate guns....

 

[Jarlaxle]

Sorry, that is ignorant.

First of all, less than 1% of guns in the US are used in crime, so your notion gun stores are deliberately selling to criminals is totally false.

Second is there is NO gun show loop hole.
I have purchased and sold about 20 guns, mostly at gun shows, and not once was one allowed without a full background check.
Why, because gun shows are always at government buildings, like state fair grounds, National Guard armories, etc., where they always require vendors to do full background checks. If a small vendor does not have the license or equipment, they share with the larger dealers who do.
I have done to hundreds of gun shows in over a dozen cities, and not once was able to bypass the mandatory background checks at any gun show.
It is true these is no law requiring background checks at gun shows, but they still all do it.

Joey is not ignorant. Joey is DISHONEST. He is a disciple of Goebbels: he likes The Big Lie.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Simple enough solution. Let victims of gun violence sue the gun sellers... betcha they'll watch who they sell to after that.

That would be equivalent to victims of alcoholism suing liquor stores?

 

[2aguy]

But whose fault is that? Mama Lanza was a mentally ill prepper. She was stockpiling guns. What she needed was therapy, not more guns.

20 children and six teachers paid a price.

He used one gun, you idiot.....he could have used a pistol or a shotgun.......and he could easily have murdered her with a hammer, a knife or his bare hands...

He chose the school, by the way because it was a gun free zone...created by shitheads like you and your stupid ideas...

the High school and the middle school both had police officers on campus, the grade school did not...he attended all 3 but chose the gun free zone to attack.

 

[2aguy]

But whose fault is that? Mama Lanza was a mentally ill prepper. She was stockpiling guns. What she needed was therapy, not more guns.

20 children and six teachers paid a price.

And because it was a gun free zone, they became the target...because of people like you.