From Marxism To Americanism

[postman]

Garfield's assassin was Charles J. Guiteau, whose motive was revenge against Garfield for an imagined political debt,



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_James_A._Garfield
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[postman]

But he was, as Ackerman proved.


Face it....you and your sort are simply knuckle-draging throwbacks to pre-civilization, when principles don't count, and might makes right.

It's the reason you and yours hate religion.

Ackerman proved nothing. He was clearly a republican, who campaigned for republicans, and sought a position with republicans based on his work as a republican.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_James_A._Garfield

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ackerman proved nothing. He was clearly a republican, who campaigned for republicans, and sought a position with republicans based on his work as a republican.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_James_A._Garfield

But this is what you want to avoid, isn't it:
Let's cut to the chase: FDR was a vassal and subservient of Joseph Stalin, hated capitalism, and the Constution, made the recession into the Great Depression, and was, like you, a less than intellectual.


As a result, the Democrat Party is Bolshevik in nature.

 

[postman]

But he was, as Ackerman proved....a liberal.


Face it....you and your sort are simply knuckle-draging throwbacks to pre-civilization, when principles don't count, and might makes right.

It's the reason you and yours hate religion.

What you left out of your "ackerman" citation

Guiteau's interest then turned again to politics. During the 1880 presidential campaign, the Republican Party was largely split into factions – the Stalwarts, led by Roscoe Conkling, who supported Grant for a third term, and the Half-Breeds, who supported James G. Blaine. Guiteau decided to support the Stalwarts and wrote a speech in support of Grant called "Grant against Hancock", which he revised to "Garfield against Hancock"[19][20] after Garfield (not affiliated with either faction) won the Republican nomination. Ultimately, Guiteau changed little more in the text than switching Grant's name for Garfield's.[21] The speech was delivered at most twice, and printed copies were passed out to members of the Republican National Committee at their summer 1880 meeting in New York, but Guiteau believed himself to be largely responsible for Garfield's victory over Democrat Winfield Scott Hancock that November.

Why did you leave that out of your citation?

And just use the commune part, of course omitting that he was kicked out of it twice because he didn't fit in, only joining it because of his father. Which actually proves no political association by the son.

Charles J. Guiteau - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[PoliticalChic]

In Frederick Forsyth's novel, "The Fox," we find a reference to North Korea's regime, and a startling similarity to Franklin Roosevelt:

‘After 1945, as a defeated Japan withdrew from the Korean peninsula, it was Joseph Stalin who personally selected the first Kim to create the communist state of North Korea and invade the South. Three years later, the Korean stalemate led to the permanent division of the peninsula.

‘By the time Kim Il-sung died in 1994, he had created the world’s first communist dynasty and was able to hand over to his son, Kim Jong-il. He had also established a code of absolute worship of him and his family among a people propagandized, brainwashed and trained like puppets to adore him and never, ever, question his near-divinity."

Democrats.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. Roosevelt left America totally unprepared for war because he actually felt a kinship with Hitler and Stalin, and deciding between them was probably a difficult decision for him.

"...a historian’s July 22, 2010, article on President Franklin Roosevelt and Great Britain in WW II. David Woolner wrote that in June 1939, which was three months before England declared war on Germany, "the roughly 180,000-man U.S. Army ranked 19th in the world--smaller than Portugal’s!"

U.S. army was smaller than the army for Portugal before World War II

History shows Texas has an opportunity to fend off President Barack Obama’s "attacks on our liberty," Ken Paxton, the Re

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Because Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to swim with the sharks....to be one with the other dictators, not fight them.

But war made FDR have to grovel to businessmen that he had pilloried, and insulted, suddenly having to beg them to prepare America for the coming war.





It was a terrible decision for Roosevelt to have to choose between Stalin and Hitler.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union." Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not only was Truman totally ignorant of the Atomic Bomb project, but Stalin was not only appraised of it, but given plans and materials for the bomb by Roosevelt.



8. "When Harry Truman assumed the presidency upon the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt on April 12, 1945, he had no knowledge of The Manhattan Project, the program to develop an atomic bomb.

At his first Cabinet meeting on April 12, the day of Roosevelt's death, President Truman was advised briefly of the project's existence by Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson. Stimson later followed this up with a much more extensive session at the White House on April 25 at which a memorandum was given the President projecting that the bomb would be ready for use within four months and suggesting that the President appoint a committee to review the options for possible use of the weapon."

http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/research/americanhistory/ap_ww2-atombomb.php

President Truman's account of his first Cabinet meeting as president, April 12, 1945, the day of President Roosevelt's death​

That first cabinet meeting was short, and when it adjourned, the members rose silently and made their way from the room--except for Secretary Stimson.

He asked to speak to me about a most urgent matter. Stimson told me that he wanted me to know about an immense project that was underway--a project looking to the development of a new explosive of almost unbelievable destructive power. That was all he felt free to say at the time, and his statement left me puzzled. It was the first bit of information that had come to me about the atomic bomb, but he gave me no details.... The next day Jimmy Byrnes, who until shortly before had been Director of War Mobilization for President Roosevelt, came to see me, and even he told me a few details, though with great solemnity he said that we were perfecting an explosive great enough to destroy the whole world.

Source: Memoirs by Harry S. Truman, 1945: Year of Decisions (New York: Smithmark, 1995), pp. 10-11, published online by Nuclear Age Peace Foundation



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[PoliticalChic]

Truman must have thought Roosevelt was correct about Stalin, just a good ol' pal.....Uncle Joe......until:

9. Education continued for Truman:
June 4, 1945, in a 15-minute meeting with General Carter W. Clarke, and Colonel Ernest Gibson, of Army intelligence, Truman was informed about army codebreakers working on secret cables sent from Moscow to Washington- the Venona decrypts.
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," p. 111, Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter



As a result of his new knowledge about Stalin and communism:

President Harry S. Truman signed United States Executive Order 9835, sometimes known as the "Loyalty Order", on March 22, 1947.[1] The order established the first general loyalty program in the United States, designed to root out communist influence in the U.S. federal government. Truman aimed to rally public opinion behind his Cold War policies with investigations conducted under its authority. He also hoped to quiet right-wing critics who accused Democrats of being soft on communism. Executive Order 9835 - Wikipedia


And then he became an American President.......leaving Roosevelt's pro-Bolshevism behind.

 

[Mushroom]

Obamacare

That is Socialist, but not Marxist.

Do not be a child and consider them both to be the same thing. Although Marxists would love for people to believe that "Socialism came from Marxism", they are not the same at all, and Socialism existed before Marxism.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

That is Socialist, but not Marxist.

Do not be a child and consider them both to be the same thing. Although Marxists would love for people to believe that "Socialism came from Marxism", they are not the same at all, and Socialism existed before Marxism.

The difference between a marxist & a socialist is negligible outside the marxist uses a gun while the socialist uses rhetoric & lies.
They all shout power to the people & they are the people that want the power.
If you want to argue semantics over obamacare, it's actually more accurate to call it a a fascist program since it's main features are govt heavy handed intervention into the private market with willing corporations

 

[Mushroom]

The difference between a marxist & a socialist is negligible outside the marxist uses a gun while the socialist uses rhetoric & lies.

That all depends. The biggest problem is that most people do not really know facts they only scream out slogans and talking points back and forth and nothing else matters.

And no, there is a large difference. But you have your talking points obviously, and nothing else matters other than that.

Tell me, was President Lincoln using a gun, rhetoric and lies?

 

[johngaltshrugged]

That all depends. The biggest problem is that most people do not really know facts they only scream out slogans and talking points back and forth and nothing else matters.

And no, there is a large difference. But you have your talking points obviously, and nothing else matters other than that.

Tell me, was President Lincoln using a gun, rhetoric and lies?

That's laughable.
They're both destructive political &economic philosophies from the same totalitarian tree that gave rise to Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pol Pot, Castro & many others.
They may have varied slightly in practice but the people they kill & economies they destroy don't care about your infantile protestations.
You want to argue semantics to deflect from the fact you support a totalitarian type system because you don't like it when it is correctly shown your preference has been responsible for 100's of millions of deaths since it's beginnings.
Nice try though

 

[PoliticalChic]

That is Socialist, but not Marxist.

Do not be a child and consider them both to be the same thing. Although Marxists would love for people to believe that "Socialism came from Marxism", they are not the same at all, and Socialism existed before Marxism.

Remember when Obama scoffed at the idea that ObamaCare was a "Bolshevik plot"???



Well, OK...perhaps not a 'plot'....but certainly Bolshevik in conception, design, and purpose!.



1. Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too. Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917 (Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately.)
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.

2. Obama wasn't the first Bolshevik to support socialized medicine. For context, there was Henry Sigerist: "He devoted himself to the study of history of medicine. Socialized Medicine in the Soviet Union (1937), and History of Medicine were among his most important works. He emerged as a major spokesman for "compulsory health insurance". ...He attacked the American Medical Association because of his conflicting views on socialized medicine." Henry E. Sigerist - Wikipedia

a. And, Sigerist was one of the apologists for Stalin, including his state-engineered famine in the Ukraine. 7 million perished (The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33).

b. Sigerist "shared with the architects of Soviet health policy under Stalin an outlook best described as medical totalitarianism. He really believed that humanity would be better off if every individual were under the medical supervision of the state from cradle to grave....[and] Sigerist's belief in the necessity for state control over all aspects of medicine ultimately made him an apologist for state control over most aspects of human life." Fee and Brown, eds. "Making Medical History: The Life and Times of Henry E. Sigerist," p. 252



Don't be a simpleton and try to split hairs: socialist, Marxist, Bolshevik, Democrat policy......all have the same end in mind.

 

[Mushroom]

They're both destructive political &economic philosophies from the same totalitarian tree that gave rise to Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pol Pot, Castro & many others.

Actually, both Socialism and Communism came long before any of them were even born. They simply co-opted them to try and take over everything.

That is why those that study them seriously tend to clarify things with the term "Marxism", as that is something completely different. It took something from the others, but then twisted it into something dark.

But hey, believe what you will. It is obvious you will just do that no matter what.

 

[Mushroom]

Remember when Obama scoffed at the idea that ObamaCare was a "Bolshevik plot"???


Well, OK...perhaps not a 'plot'....but certainly Bolshevik in conception, design, and purpose!.


Don't be a simpleton and try to split hairs: socialist, Marxist, Bolshevik, Democrat policy......all have the same end in mind.

Tell me, was it the same thing in 1974 when President Nixon proposed a universal health care plan? Was he also a closet Bolshevik?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Tell me, was it the same thing in 1974 when President Nixon proposed a universal health care plan? Was he also a closet Bolshevik?

I don't care to change the subject......but will accept that Nixon was as close to a progressive as one gets.



. Liberals should have loved Richard Nixon.

The Nixon administration gives stark acknowledgement that 'Republican" is not the same as 'conservative.' Nixon, rather than adhering to 'limited government,' presided over a regulatory revolution from '70 to '74 that included OSHA, The Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and the EPA, the United States Environmental Protection Agency

"The Supreme Court's decision in Griggs v Duke Power in 1971, followed by congressional legislation in 1972 gave the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) expanded authority to oversee employers employment practices. Combined, OSHA, the EPA, and the EEOC affected virtually every workplace. It was also during the Nixon years that the slope of federal spending on social and economic programs turned sharply upward." Charles Murray, "By The People," p.6.

A ‘big government Republican….a RINO.



And Richard Nixon was far, far more the civil rights warrior than the Democrat Party.



Richard Nixon took shelling from the Right due to his expansion of government, the sort of things that the Left, the Democrats, the Progressives yearned for.


"Worldwide more than 2,700 people will die today because of a bureaucratic regulation instituted during the Nixon administration in 1972. The same number died yesterday and will again tomorrow, in an ever-growing tally of victims of that catastrophic policy. The regulation imposed by Nixon’s newly formed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) banned DDT, an insecticide that had until then saved the lives of countless U.S. citizens. Leaders in Europe and the United Nations followed suit in a frenzy of misguided environmental zeal and bloodthirsty population control fervor."
DDT Ban Breeds Death


PBS noted Nixon’s break from the Right:

[Following the Kennedy-Johnson administration in the United States, there was a massive effort to manage the marketplace, in part by controlling wages.] This initiative was not the handiwork of left-wing liberals but of the administration of Richard Nixon, a moderately conservative Republican who was a critic of government intervention in the economy.” Commanding Heights : Nixon, Price Controls, and the Gold Standard | on PBS



The largest economic intervention was under Nixon with wage/price freeze in the 1970’s.

A ‘big government Republican….a RINO.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

Actually, both Socialism and Communism came long before any of them were even born. They simply co-opted them to try and take over everything.

That is why those that study them seriously tend to clarify things with the term "Marxism", as that is something completely different. It took something from the others, but then twisted it into something dark.

But hey, believe what you will. It is obvious you will just do that no matter what.

So Marx & Engels didn't invent the socialist/marxist philosophy? Tell me more Oh Wise One!
Tell yourself they are completely different or a little different if it makes you feel better.
In the end, they are the same totalitarian system that produces the same destructive results.

 

[Mushroom]

I don't care to change the subject......but will accept that Nixon was as close to a progressive as one gets.

. Liberals should have loved Richard Nixon.

Nixon has long been recognized as the most Liberal President the country has ever had.

However, there is a difference between a Liberal and a Leftist. And he was no Leftist. Just as most that claim that label today are not really Liberals, they are Leftists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed the new State of Israel. On that same date the United States, in the person of President Truman, recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the new Jewish state (de jure recognition was extended on January 31, 1949).



1948 May 14, 1948, shortly after 6:11 p.m. eastern standard time: United States representative to the United Nations Warren Austin leaves his office at the United Nations and goes home. Secretary of State Marshall sends a State Department official to the United Nations to prevent the entire United States delegation from resigning over recognizing Israel.


Due to Harry S. Truman, American.