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JoeB continues to soil his pants over his fears that gun owners will mainly vote for anti-socialist candidates

 

[JoeB131]

The gun is an inanimate object. A person cause harm if they use a gun to kill someone.

99.99% of privately owned guns are never used to harm anyone.

And despite the nonsense you posted, you ARE, in fact, advocating the imprisonment of people who broke no law. That is the way it works. That is reality.

actually, they are accessories. You can easily make that case with the right prosecutors and right jury. at the very least, you can economically ruin them.

You think a j ury is really going to care 'Well, he didn't come up on the database" when they are shown the autopsy photos of the people Holmes or Roof killed?

 

[JoeB131]

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There's a reason why Germany only locks up 68,000 people and we lock up 2 million.

How much bigger is the US population wise? Hello?

Wow, so in addition to being batshit crazy, you are also bad at math.

Okay- let's try this.

USA - Population 308,000,000 - we lock up 2,000,000 people. We lock up one out of 154 citizens.

Germany has a population of 80,000,000. they lock up 78,000* people. They lock up 1 out of 1000 people. Japan has a population of 110,000,000, and locks up 68,000 people. They lock up one out of 1410 people.

(*Correction, I flipped Japan and Germany's numbers.)

We lock up a ridiculous amount of people. We have a ridiculous amount of guns. and we have the highest crime rates in the Industrial World.

If Guns and prisons made us safer, why aren't we safer?

 

[JoeB131]

No, your fear is too expensive for the rest of US. Your fears do not trump my rights. Perhaps you should take some Valium or something.

32,000 dead a year. Not worth your fetish.

 

[WinterBorn]

The gun is an inanimate object. A person cause harm if they use a gun to kill someone.

99.99% of privately owned guns are never used to harm anyone.

And despite the nonsense you posted, you ARE, in fact, advocating the imprisonment of people who broke no law. That is the way it works. That is reality.

actually, they are accessories. You can easily make that case with the right prosecutors and right jury. at the very least, you can economically ruin them.

You think a j ury is really going to care 'Well, he didn't come up on the database" when they are shown the autopsy photos of the people Holmes or Roof killed?

No, they cannot. Unless you completely rewrite the definition of accessory.

Yes, I do think the jury is going to care. They will see that the gun dealer used the proper procedures, followed the law, and got the approval of the federal gov't.

Now, they might wonder WHY the lunatic's name wasn't in the database. It would be easier to prosecute the mental health professionals who did not follow the required procedures.

But in order to be convicted of a crime and sent to prison, you must break the law. The gun dealers broke no law.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, your fear is too expensive for the rest of US. Your fears do not trump my rights. Perhaps you should take some Valium or something.

32,000 dead a year. Not worth your fetish.

21,000 by their own hand. Less than 10,000 by gun murders.

 

[JoeB131]

No, they cannot. Unless you completely rewrite the definition of accessory.

Yes, I do think the jury is going to care. They will see that the gun dealer used the proper procedures, followed the law, and got the approval of the federal gov't.

Now, they might wonder WHY the lunatic's name wasn't in the database. It would be easier to prosecute the mental health professionals who did not follow the required procedures.

But in order to be convicted of a crime and sent to prison, you must break the law. The gun dealers broke no law.

again, you bring your database.

I'll bring grieving family members and autopsy photos...

 

[WinterBorn]

No, they cannot. Unless you completely rewrite the definition of accessory.

Yes, I do think the jury is going to care. They will see that the gun dealer used the proper procedures, followed the law, and got the approval of the federal gov't.

Now, they might wonder WHY the lunatic's name wasn't in the database. It would be easier to prosecute the mental health professionals who did not follow the required procedures.

But in order to be convicted of a crime and sent to prison, you must break the law. The gun dealers broke no law.

again, you bring your database.

I'll bring grieving family members and autopsy photos...

No, I bring the law. You bring fantasy and the audacity to prey on the families of victims.

 

[JoeB131]

No, I bring the law. You bring fantasy and the audacity to prey on the families of victims.

the only person who preyed on the families were the gun industry and the nuts they happily sell to.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, I bring the law. You bring fantasy and the audacity to prey on the families of victims.

the only person who preyed on the families were the gun industry and the nuts they happily sell to.

The gun dealer committed no crime. You can stamp your feet and throw tantrums all day long, but that does not change unless you change the laws. Good luck with that one.

The person responsible for the murders is the one who pulled the trigger. The one who sold the gun, and followed all the rules, laws, and regulations, is not responsible. If anyone else is responsible, it would be those who failed to update the system used to determine who is not allowed to buy a firearm.

 

[JoeB131]

The gun dealer committed no crime. You can stamp your feet and throw tantrums all day long, but that does not change unless you change the laws. Good luck with that one.

again, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

The person responsible for the murders is the one who pulled the trigger. The one who sold the gun, and followed all the rules, laws, and regulations, is not responsible. If anyone else is responsible, it would be those who failed to update the system used to determine who is not allowed to buy a firearm.

No, it was a gun industry that insisted on selling guns to crazy people.

Because Foundign Fathers... or something.

Throw a few of them in prison, make them pay a few million dollar judgements, like big tobacco did, and they aren't going to be so keen on that.

 

[WinterBorn]

The gun dealer committed no crime. You can stamp your feet and throw tantrums all day long, but that does not change unless you change the laws. Good luck with that one.

again, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

The person responsible for the murders is the one who pulled the trigger. The one who sold the gun, and followed all the rules, laws, and regulations, is not responsible. If anyone else is responsible, it would be those who failed to update the system used to determine who is not allowed to buy a firearm.

No, it was a gun industry that insisted on selling guns to crazy people.

Because Foundign Fathers... or something.

Throw a few of them in prison, make them pay a few million dollar judgements, like big tobacco did, and they aren't going to be so keen on that.

Again, an indictment by a grad jury is not a conviction. It simply means that a trial will take place. Perhaps you should have stayed awake in class.

No, the gun industry insisted on selling guns to people who have not been banned from purchasing a firearm. That you think a gun dealer should be held responsible for determining someone's mental health and the danger they represent, while mental health professionals should not be held responsible for reporting those same people, shows the lunacy of your own proposals.

The fact is that the gun dealer broke no law. Expecting someone to be sent to prison because you WANT it is insanity, pure and simple.

 

[ChrisL]

No, your fear is too expensive for the rest of US. Your fears do not trump my rights. Perhaps you should take some Valium or something.

32,000 dead a year. Not worth your fetish.

It's not a "fetish." It's a constitutionally guaranteed right, as well as a natural right - the right to self defense. You're scared? Too bad, so sad. Like I said, your illogical and delusional fears do not trump everyone elses' rights. Got it?

 

[ChrisL]

The gun dealer committed no crime. You can stamp your feet and throw tantrums all day long, but that does not change unless you change the laws. Good luck with that one.

again, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

The person responsible for the murders is the one who pulled the trigger. The one who sold the gun, and followed all the rules, laws, and regulations, is not responsible. If anyone else is responsible, it would be those who failed to update the system used to determine who is not allowed to buy a firearm.

No, it was a gun industry that insisted on selling guns to crazy people.

Because Foundign Fathers... or something.

Throw a few of them in prison, make them pay a few million dollar judgements, like big tobacco did, and they aren't going to be so keen on that.

You are a complete idiot, seriously. I've been trying to be nice to you, but you are so dense and such an idiot, that it is literally impossible to show a semblance of common courtesy. I think you should be locked up . . . in a mental institution.

 

[ChrisL]

No, they cannot. Unless you completely rewrite the definition of accessory.

Yes, I do think the jury is going to care. They will see that the gun dealer used the proper procedures, followed the law, and got the approval of the federal gov't.

Now, they might wonder WHY the lunatic's name wasn't in the database. It would be easier to prosecute the mental health professionals who did not follow the required procedures.

But in order to be convicted of a crime and sent to prison, you must break the law. The gun dealers broke no law.

again, you bring your database.

I'll bring grieving family members and autopsy photos...

Oh yes, emotional games rather than using logic. Figures.

 

[ChrisL]

[Q

There's a reason why Germany only locks up 68,000 people and we lock up 2 million.

How much bigger is the US population wise? Hello?

Wow, so in addition to being batshit crazy, you are also bad at math.

Okay- let's try this.

USA - Population 308,000,000 - we lock up 2,000,000 people. We lock up one out of 154 citizens.

Germany has a population of 80,000,000. they lock up 78,000* people. They lock up 1 out of 1000 people. Japan has a population of 110,000,000, and locks up 68,000 people. They lock up one out of 1410 people.

(*Correction, I flipped Japan and Germany's numbers.)

We lock up a ridiculous amount of people. We have a ridiculous amount of guns. and we have the highest crime rates in the Industrial World.

If Guns and prisons made us safer, why aren't we safer?

So . . . one would think you would be happy that the US is aggressive with imprisoning the criminal element of our society. Also, one reason why our incarceration statistics would be high is because of our inner city black gang problem.

 

[ChrisL]

The gun dealer committed no crime. You can stamp your feet and throw tantrums all day long, but that does not change unless you change the laws. Good luck with that one.

again, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

The person responsible for the murders is the one who pulled the trigger. The one who sold the gun, and followed all the rules, laws, and regulations, is not responsible. If anyone else is responsible, it would be those who failed to update the system used to determine who is not allowed to buy a firearm.

No, it was a gun industry that insisted on selling guns to crazy people.

Because Foundign Fathers... or something.

Throw a few of them in prison, make them pay a few million dollar judgements, like big tobacco did, and they aren't going to be so keen on that.

"Because founding fathers or something?" God, what an idiot you are.

 

[JoeB131]

It's not a "fetish." It's a constitutionally guaranteed right, as well as a natural right - the right to self defense. You're scared? Too bad, so sad. Like I said, your illogical and delusional fears do not trump everyone elses' rights. Got it?

Again, there are no "rights'.

There are privilages the rest of society lets you have.

Any fool who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese Americans, 1942".

 

[JoeB131]

"Because founding fathers or something?" God, what an idiot you are.

yes, I base policy on the hear and now, not what some fucked up old slave rapists said 200 years ago.

 

[turtledude]

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Wow, so in addition to being batshit crazy, you are also bad at math.

Okay- let's try this.

USA - Population 308,000,000 - we lock up 2,000,000 people. We lock up one out of 154 citizens.

Germany has a population of 80,000,000. they lock up 78,000* people. They lock up 1 out of 1000 people. Japan has a population of 110,000,000, and locks up 68,000 people. They lock up one out of 1410 people.

(*Correction, I flipped Japan and Germany's numbers.)

We lock up a ridiculous amount of people. We have a ridiculous amount of guns. and we have the highest crime rates in the Industrial World.

If Guns and prisons made us safer, why aren't we safer?

if gun control and gun bans made us safer why is Mexico so dangerous

and we don't have the highest crime r rates in the "industrial world"

and our white citizens have lower rates of violence than whites living in gun banning socialist paradises