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[JoeB131]

Below is a set of enlisted QM insignia, and below that is a set for Ordnance. Different legs of the TOE silly boy. Now I know you weren't even in the military.

Uh, guy, as i pointed out above, at the UNIT level, Armorers are 76Y- Quartermasters. NOT Ordnance corps.

Well, 92Y now, but never mind.

So how does any of this make letting Joker Holmes have an AR-15 a good idea?

 

[WinterBorn]

That is not what the founders meant when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. Every knows our history here in this country. It was every man's DUTY to have a gun and to have it ready to go when and if needed.

The founders did NOT want a centralized, federally controlled military.

The founders where bunch of hypocrites who wrote stuff like "All Men are Created Equal" and then went home and whipped their slaves for not producing enough wealth for them. I think we can pretty much dismiss any speculation on what they meant about much of anything.

The fact is, we quickly found out that their concept of a non-centralized militia didn't work. We probably figured that out by the Civil War, but we definitely had it figured out by World War I. It's why State Militias were replaced by a NATIONAL Guard that was held to - again- REGULATIONS put down by the army, not just show up with your squirrel gun.

So now that we have established that whatever they thought really has no bearing on the modern world, can you please explain in what universe letting James Holmes, a mentally ill man, purchase a military grade weapon was a good idea.

Thanks.

Oh, that goes for the rest of the peanut gallery. In what universe is letting Holmes by a gun of htat type a good idea?

If the mental health professionals had done their job, he wouldn't have been able to buy it from a gun dealer. But you don't have a problem with them, do you?

 

[ChrisL]

That is not what the founders meant when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. Every knows our history here in this country. It was every man's DUTY to have a gun and to have it ready to go when and if needed.

The founders did NOT want a centralized, federally controlled military.

The founders where bunch of hypocrites who wrote stuff like "All Men are Created Equal" and then went home and whipped their slaves for not producing enough wealth for them. I think we can pretty much dismiss any speculation on what they meant about much of anything.

The fact is, we quickly found out that their concept of a non-centralized militia didn't work. We probably figured that out by the Civil War, but we definitely had it figured out by World War I. It's why State Militias were replaced by a NATIONAL Guard that was held to - again- REGULATIONS put down by the army, not just show up with your squirrel gun.

So now that we have established that whatever they thought really has no bearing on the modern world, can you please explain in what universe letting James Holmes, a mentally ill man, purchase a military grade weapon was a good idea.

Thanks.

Oh, that goes for the rest of the peanut gallery. In what universe is letting Holmes by a gun of htat type a good idea?

It doesn't matter. We still have the rights that are written in the constitution. It doesn't matter if you are paranoid. It's because of people like you why we have an NRA and other organizations to protect our 2nd amendment rights because once you give the government permission to screw around with one right, then there is really not much stopping them from messing with others. A few lunatics is not a good enough reason to revoke any of our rights. Sorry. Buck up and deal with your paranoia, especially since your risks of drowning in a backyard pool are much greater than they are of being shot. And if you don't like guns and if you are afraid of them, that's fine. Then don't own one, but you have some nerve trying to tell other people that they cannot.

 

[westwall]

No, I'm not. TOE is the term I wanted. Supply is QUARTERMASTER. Armorer is ORDNANCE. Look up the difference some day asshat.

Army MOS 76Y MOSDb

Receives, inspects, inventories, loads, unloads, segregates, stores, issues, delivers and turns-in organization and installation supplies and equipment; operates unit level computer (ULC); prepares all unit/organizational supply documents; maintains automated supply system for accounting of organizational and installation supplies and equipment; issues and receives small arms; secures and controls weapons and ammunition in security areas; schedules and performs preventive and organizational maintenance on weapons; inspects completed work for accuracy and compliance with established procedures; coordinates supply activities; reviews and annotates changes to unit material condition status report; post transactions to organizational and installation property books and supporting transaction files; determines method of obtaining relief from responsibility for lost, damaged and destroyed supply items; directs supply personnel in establishing supply and inventory control management functions; maintains property under standard property book system (SPBS); reviews daily and monthly records of issues of petroleum products and operating supplies; provides technical assistance to equipment records and parts specialist; assists and advises supply officer and commander.

MAINTENANCE. Armorers do deep level repairs up to an including complete rebuilds of the weapons.. Supply CLEANS them. See the dif?

 

[JoeB131]

If the mental health professionals had done their job, he wouldn't have been able to buy it from a gun dealer. But you don't have a problem with them, do you?

Well, first, we really don't know what his mental health providers knew... but they weren't the ones who gave him a gun.

 

[JoeB131]

MAINTENANCE. Armorers do deep level repairs up to an including complete rebuilds of the weapons.. Supply CLEANS them. See the dif?

Actually, 99% of the maintenance that is done was done at the company level. I think I only had to have an M-16 sent out for "rebuild' once in six years. (Some ROTC cadet we were training with dropped his out of a vehicle and ran it over with a jeep.)

Incidentally, individual SOLDIERS clean their weapons, not supply.

 

[westwall]

MAINTENANCE. Armorers do deep level repairs up to an including complete rebuilds of the weapons.. Supply CLEANS them. See the dif?

Actually, 99% of the maintenance that is done was done at the company level. I think I only had to have an M-16 sent out for "rebuild' once in six years. (Some ROTC cadet we were training with dropped his out of a vehicle and ran it over with a jeep.)

Incidentally, individual SOLDIERS clean their weapons, not supply.

Every soldier cleans their weapons. Supply, when they receive them back into the supply room, then does their own inspection where they do a standard field strip and clean to ensure the weapon is returned the way it was released. They do NO ARMORER work.

 

[JoeB131]

It doesn't matter. We still have the rights that are written in the constitution. It doesn't matter if you are paranoid. It's because of people like you why we have an NRA and other organizations to protect our 2nd amendment rights because once you give the government permission to screw around with one right, then there is really not much stopping them from messing with others.

The NRA used to support common sense gun control. For instance, when the Black Panthers started practicing "Open Carry" in the 1960's, the NRA helped draft laws against that and Republican Governors like that flaming liberal Ronald Reagan signed off on them. It was only after the Gun Industry co-opted the NRA in the 1970's did we start getting the healthy doses of crazy you and your friends subscribe to.

A few lunatics is not a good enough reason to revoke any of our rights. Sorry. Buck up and deal with your paranoia, especially since your risks of drowning in a backyard pool are much greater than they are of being shot. And if you don't like guns and if you are afraid of them, that's fine. Then don't own one, but you have some nerve trying to tell other people that they cannot.

A backyard pool is not going to go to a place where people who had no intention of swimming are and drown them.

We have 32,000 gun deaths a year. Yeah, maybe guys like Joker Holmes are only responsible for a small percentage of them, but that just tells me we have too many other kinds of gun deaths.

 

[WinterBorn]

If the mental health professionals had done their job, he wouldn't have been able to buy it from a gun dealer. But you don't have a problem with them, do you?

Well, first, we really don't know what his mental health providers knew... but they weren't the ones who gave him a gun.

Oh, so you claim the store clerk had to have known he was crazy, but the mental health professionals.....well....we don't know what they knew.

And you have said over and over that "everyone in Holmes' life knew he was crazy". But the mental health professionals, the ones who are trained to diagnose and see mental illness......well.......we don't know what they knew.

It only took the news media one day to find out Holmes was batshit crazy. But the mental health professionals.......well.....we don't know what they knew.


Your lying and hypocrisy knows no bounds, JoeyB. lmao


And no, the mental health professionals didn't sell him the gun. But by their inaction, the allowed him to buy it. One single, and simple action on their part could have prevented it. You want the store clerk held responsible for knowing Holmes' mental state, but don't think the mental health professionals should be. lmao Too ridiculous.

 

[ChrisL]

It doesn't matter. We still have the rights that are written in the constitution. It doesn't matter if you are paranoid. It's because of people like you why we have an NRA and other organizations to protect our 2nd amendment rights because once you give the government permission to screw around with one right, then there is really not much stopping them from messing with others.

The NRA used to support common sense gun control. For instance, when the Black Panthers started practicing "Open Carry" in the 1960's, the NRA helped draft laws against that and Republican Governors like that flaming liberal Ronald Reagan signed off on them. It was only after the Gun Industry co-opted the NRA in the 1970's did we start getting the healthy doses of crazy you and your friends subscribe to.

A few lunatics is not a good enough reason to revoke any of our rights. Sorry. Buck up and deal with your paranoia, especially since your risks of drowning in a backyard pool are much greater than they are of being shot. And if you don't like guns and if you are afraid of them, that's fine. Then don't own one, but you have some nerve trying to tell other people that they cannot.

A backyard pool is not going to go to a place where people who had no intention of swimming are and drown them.

We have 32,000 gun deaths a year. Yeah, maybe guys like Joker Holmes are only responsible for a small percentage of them, but that just tells me we have too many other kinds of gun deaths.

Oh yes they are. Little children drown in pools every single year. Many more than any that are shot.

 

[WinterBorn]

It doesn't matter. We still have the rights that are written in the constitution. It doesn't matter if you are paranoid. It's because of people like you why we have an NRA and other organizations to protect our 2nd amendment rights because once you give the government permission to screw around with one right, then there is really not much stopping them from messing with others.

The NRA used to support common sense gun control. For instance, when the Black Panthers started practicing "Open Carry" in the 1960's, the NRA helped draft laws against that and Republican Governors like that flaming liberal Ronald Reagan signed off on them. It was only after the Gun Industry co-opted the NRA in the 1970's did we start getting the healthy doses of crazy you and your friends subscribe to.

A few lunatics is not a good enough reason to revoke any of our rights. Sorry. Buck up and deal with your paranoia, especially since your risks of drowning in a backyard pool are much greater than they are of being shot. And if you don't like guns and if you are afraid of them, that's fine. Then don't own one, but you have some nerve trying to tell other people that they cannot.

A backyard pool is not going to go to a place where people who had no intention of swimming are and drown them.

We have 32,000 gun deaths a year. Yeah, maybe guys like Joker Holmes are only responsible for a small percentage of them, but that just tells me we have too many other kinds of gun deaths.

Of that 32,000 gun deaths, at least 21,000 are suicides. I find it amusing that you think someone will only commit suicide with a gun.

 

[JoeB131]

Every soldier cleans their weapons. Supply, when they receive them back into the supply room,

Well, we didn't put them in a "supply room', we'd put them in a vault.

then does their own inspection where they do a standard field strip and clean to ensure the weapon is returned the way it was released. They do NO ARMORER work

Except that on the TO&E, the 76Y position was called "Armorer", not "Guy who puts the guns in the supply room". Maybe they were just trying to save Ink.

NOw, how does any of this make letting James Holmes buy an AR15 a good idea again?

 

[JoeB131]

Oh yes they are. Little children drown in pools every single year. Many more than any that are shot.

But the pools aren't showing up at the theatre and drowning people. That's the point.

Now, I can take precautions against the kids drowning in a pool. Make sure they have adult supervision, make sure they know how to swim, etc.

I really don't have a precaution against a guy like Joker Holmes. Not even having a gun of my own, because the "Good guy with a gun" almost never happens.

 

[ChrisL]

Oh yes they are. Little children drown in pools every single year. Many more than any that are shot.

But the pools aren't showing up at the theatre and drowning people. That's the point.

Now, I can take precautions against the kids drowning in a pool. Make sure they have adult supervision, make sure they know how to swim, etc.

I really don't have a precaution against a guy like Joker Holmes. Not even having a gun of my own, because the "Good guy with a gun" almost never happens.

Well, that's your problem if you choose not to own a gun. THAT is one reason why some people would choose to carry a weapon on them, and who are you to try and prevent others from defending themselves and/or their families? As Dr. Kleck's study, as well as the newest study by the Obama administration and the CDC says, there are many more DGU than gun crimes. So that must mean you WANT to create more victims and leave people as sitting ducks for the criminals to prey upon them. Because no laws are going to prevent a madman from getting his hands on a gun if he really wants one.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, that's your problem if you choose not to own a gun. THAT is one reason why some people would choose to carry a weapon on them, and who are you to try and prevent others from defending themselves and/or their families?

Okay, then how come those people never stop mass shootings, then?

As Dr. Kleck's study,

Kleck has been debunked.

as well as the newest study by the Obama administration and the CDC says, there are many more DGU than gun crimes.

Well, no, they don't. First, all that study did was say, "There are a bunch of studies, and they put the number between 65K and 3M." Which means, most of the studies are worthless.

If you accept the low end, 65K, then there ARE more gun crimes - 32,000 deaths, 78,000 injuries and 300,000 other gun crimes.

But here's why I don't buy the DGU claims- the lack of dead bobies on the floor. The FBI says that there were only 201 justifiable gun homicides by civilians a year.

That would mean guns are drawn 325 times, but only produce one dead crook? That sounds kind of incredible. it goes up to 10,000 for every dead crook if you accept Kleck's fanciful numbers.

 

[JoeB131]

So that must mean you WANT to create more victims and leave people as sitting ducks for the criminals to prey upon them. Because no laws are going to prevent a madman from getting his hands on a gun if he really wants one.

then please explain to me why they have so very few of these kinds of instances in DEMOCRACIES like Japan, Germany, France, England.

It seems to me that if Madmen can't go into a store and buy a gun, they can't get their hands on them.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, that's your problem if you choose not to own a gun. THAT is one reason why some people would choose to carry a weapon on them, and who are you to try and prevent others from defending themselves and/or their families?

Okay, then how come those people never stop mass shootings, then?

As Dr. Kleck's study,

Kleck has been debunked.

as well as the newest study by the Obama administration and the CDC says, there are many more DGU than gun crimes.

Well, no, they don't. First, all that study did was say, "There are a bunch of studies, and they put the number between 65K and 3M." Which means, most of the studies are worthless.

If you accept the low end, 65K, then there ARE more gun crimes - 32,000 deaths, 78,000 injuries and 300,000 other gun crimes.

But here's why I don't buy the DGU claims- the lack of dead bobies on the floor. The FBI says that there were only 201 justifiable gun homicides by civilians a year.

That would mean guns are drawn 325 times, but only produce one dead crook? That sounds kind of incredible. it goes up to 10,000 for every dead crook if you accept Kleck's fanciful numbers.

No, Kleck has not been debunked. His work was used in the study funded by the Obama administration. Stop lying. Just because some of you anti-rights people don't want to believe the results, does not mean they have been debunked because they have not.

CDC Study Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is Important Crime Deterrent

The report, which notes that “ violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past five years,” also pointed out that “some firearm violence results in death, but most does not.” In fact, the CDC report said, most incidents involving the discharge of firearms do not result in a fatality.

“In 2010, incidents in the U.S. involving firearms injured or killed more than 105,000 Americans, of which there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) than deaths.”

The White House unveiled a plan in January that included orders to the CDC to “conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence.” According to the White House report, “Research on gun violence is not advocacy; it is critical public health research that gives all Americans information they need.”

The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

“Most felons report obtaining the majority of their firearms from informal sources,” adds the report, while “stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals.”

Researchers also found that the majority of firearm deaths are from suicide, not homicide. “Between the years 2000 and 2010, firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearm-related violence in the United States.”

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African American males are most affected by firearm-related violence, with “32 per 100,000” deaths. Risk factors and predictors of violence include income inequality, “diminished economic opportunities . . . high levels of family disruption” and “low levels of community participation.”

The report expresses uncertainty about gun control measures, stating that “whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue,” and that there is no evidence “that passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.” It also stated that proposed “gun turn-in programs are ineffective.”

 

[ChrisL]

So that must mean you WANT to create more victims and leave people as sitting ducks for the criminals to prey upon them. Because no laws are going to prevent a madman from getting his hands on a gun if he really wants one.

then please explain to me why they have so very few of these kinds of instances in DEMOCRACIES like Japan, Germany, France, England.

It seems to me that if Madmen can't go into a store and buy a gun, they can't get their hands on them.

They are not America.

 

[WinterBorn]

So that must mean you WANT to create more victims and leave people as sitting ducks for the criminals to prey upon them. Because no laws are going to prevent a madman from getting his hands on a gun if he really wants one.

then please explain to me why they have so very few of these kinds of instances in DEMOCRACIES like Japan, Germany, France, England.

It seems to me that if Madmen can't go into a store and buy a gun, they can't get their hands on them.

They are not America.

And Japan has far more suicides than the US, despite having few guns.

 

[ChrisL]

Okay, then how come those people never stop mass shootings, then?

Hmm, well, let's think about that. Maybe due to the fact that MOST mass shootings happen in "gun free zones." Another great idea and law that some nitwit came up with that does not work and, in fact, pretty much makes those places targets for mass shootings. Of course, they know there is no one there that can stop them!