French president Macron and wife brigitte sue candace owens for saying Brigitte is a man!!

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OnPleaseJustQuit:
Instead of simply trolling me with your negative comments (I'm actually surprised you didn't just use your favorite "Fake News" emoticon) try using your words and elucidate to the board WHY you disagree with my comment.

This is a supposed to be a discussion board, if you aren't up to the challenge then just move on.
 

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NewsVine_Mariyam said:
Sorry about that, I should have included some text indicating that the link shows.
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No sweat. I should have just clicked the link right away when I was it was yours.

If Owens actually claimed Brigitte Macron stole an identity, that's a different situation...but I couldn't find a direct quote of Owens claiming that. It appears that this is inferred by the lawsuit, not a direct quote. There is a difference between manufacturing a new identity and stealing an identity.

AI couldn't find corroboration for this accusation...but if you have it, or find it, that would change my opinion.
 
Missourian said:
No sweat. I should have just clicked the link right away when I was it was yours.

If Owens actually claimed Brigitte Macron stole an identity, that's a different situation...but I couldn't find a direct quote of Owens claiming that. It appears that this is inferred by the lawsuit, not a direct quote. There is a difference between manufacturing a new identity and stealing an identity.

AI couldn't find corroboration for this accusation...but if you have it, or find it, that would change my opinion.
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This is what my chat assistant sourced:
Candace Owens Accuses the Macrons of Incest & Stolen Identity

📰 Core allegations​

  1. False claims about Brigitte Macron
    Owens publicly asserted—on X and via her eight‑part podcast Becoming Brigitte—that Brigitte Macron was biologically male, originally named Jean‑Michel Trogneux, and had stolen an identity Politico+12Straight Arrow News+12Financial Times+12.
  2. Adding shocking conspiracies
    She further alleged incest in the Macron family and claimed Emmanuel was placed into power by a CIA or MKUltra‑style mind-control program The Economic Times+13Reuters+13The Independent+13The Daily Beast+6The Guardian+6New York Post+6.
  3. Monetary motivations
    The suit alleges Owens used sensational claims to boost her profile, grow her podcast's reach, and make money—even producing branded merch mocking the Macrons AOL+15Politico+15The Guardian+15.
  4. Ignoring retraction requests
    The Macrons issued three separate demands—first in December 2024 and again in January and July 2025—but Owens allegedly refused to retract, instead mocking them and doubling down The Guardian+5CBS News+5The Washington Post+5AOL+14Reuters+14The Guardian+14.
 
g5000 said:
Unless it is libel or slander. Which in the case of Macron's wife and Obama's wife, it most certainly is.

Trump sues if someone hurts his feelings.

Michelle Obama has more class.
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She also has a bigger pecker, than your's.
 
NewsVine_Mariyam said:
This is what my chat assistant sourced:
Candace Owens Accuses the Macrons of Incest & Stolen Identity

📰 Core allegations​

  1. False claims about Brigitte Macron
    Owens publicly asserted—on X and via her eight‑part podcast Becoming Brigitte—that Brigitte Macron was biologically male, originally named Jean‑Michel Trogneux, and had stolen an identity Politico+12Straight Arrow News+12Financial Times+12.
  2. Adding shocking conspiracies
    She further alleged incest in the Macron family and claimed Emmanuel was placed into power by a CIA or MKUltra‑style mind-control program The Economic Times+13Reuters+13The Independent+13The Daily Beast+6The Guardian+6New York Post+6.
  3. Monetary motivations
    The suit alleges Owens used sensational claims to boost her profile, grow her podcast's reach, and make money—even producing branded merch mocking the Macrons AOL+15Politico+15The Guardian+15.
  4. Ignoring retraction requests
    The Macrons issued three separate demands—first in December 2024 and again in January and July 2025—but Owens allegedly refused to retract, instead mocking them and doubling down The Guardian+5CBS News+5The Washington Post+5AOL+14Reuters+14The Guardian+14.
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Push your AI a little. Allegations in a lawsuit are not proof. When I pushed my AI, she admitted that she could find no direct evidence that Owens accused Brigette Macron of stealing an identity.

The guardrails tighten when AI is presented with a controversial topic like transgenderism. The AI will continue to insist the lawsuit is the proof unless you prompt it that you are seeking a direct quote or a news story that predates the lawsuit, or evidence that is not directly drawn from the allegations from the lawsuit.
 
Missourian said:
Push your AI a little. Allegations in a lawsuit are not proof. When I pushed my AI, she admitted that she could find no direct evidence that Owens accused Brigette Macron of stealing an identity.

The guardrails tighten when AI is presented with a controversial topic like transgenderism. The AI will continue to insist the lawsuit is the proof unless you prompt it that you are seeking a direct quote or a news story that predates the lawsuit, or evidence that is not directly drawn from the allegations from the lawsuit.
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I think you're misinterpreting the information cited or sourced. They reference Owens podcasts specifically and when asked about the direct source, provided a link to the transcript of episodes 1 & 3. Since I'm not involved in the lawsuit on either side, I'm not digging in beyond the links:
https://podcasts.happyscribe.com/candace/becoming-brigitte-an-introduction?utm_source=chatgpt.com
 
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postman said:
But Candice knows the statement to be false.
And she uttered it with the intent to cause mental anguish (malice)

So she's met the threshold of being liable for defaming a public figure.
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I think, although not sure if this is how things work in your country, that libel/slander/defamation...etc only stands, if the plaintiff's reputation is actually damaged in some way. In Owen's case, yes, she knew her statement to be false, and was probably trying to cause the Macrons hurt feelings (mental anguish is a bit hyperbolic, tbh), but I don't think Bridgitte Macron's reputation is harmed because nobody has started to believe that she is a man because of what Owen said.

Anyways, I don't understand why they couldn't have just shrugged it off. It was such a stupid thing (calling an obvious woman a man). Way to show the whole world how much their feelings were hurt.
 
g5000 said:
Is lying and manufacturing bullshit worth showing the world you are a partisan idiot?
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Not sure of your point, but it appears to me the only people doing the lying are Brigitte & Emmanuel Macron, and the French media.
 
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