French president Macron and wife brigitte sue candace owens for saying Brigitte is a man!!

[MayorQuimby]

Truth is an absolute defense. Will the Slapper provide DNA evidence when subpeona'd?

You mean that they have to provide DNA samples to show that they are not a man or something stupid like that?

They are under no obligation to do anything. They don't need to disprove anything. It is up to the accuser to back up his/her claim (that they are a man). If I accused you of being a woman, are you now gonna be swapping the inside of your mouth to prove that I am wrong? No, that would be stupid AF.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You mean that they have to provide DNA samples to show that they are not a man or something stupid like that?

They are under no obligation to do anything. They don't need to disprove anything. It is up to the accuser to back up his/her claim (that they are a man). If I accused you of being a woman, are you now gonna be swapping the inside of your mouth to prove that I am wrong? No, that would be stupid AF.

The Macrons are suing Owens.

If they're not going to bring evidence that Owens made a false statement, the trial will be mighty short.

 

[MayorQuimby]

The Macrons are suing Owens.

If they're not going to bring evidence that Owens made a false statement, the trial will be mighty short.

That doesn't sound right.

So....if I accuse you of being a woman, and you bring a suit against me. And now you have to provide evidence that you are not a woman? Maybe this is how it's supposed to work in a court, but it just feels really weird to me. Because with this, people can harass other people very easily.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That doesn't sound right.

So....if I accuse you of being a woman, and you bring a suit against me. And now you have to provide evidence that you are not a woman? Maybe this is how it's supposed to work in a court, but it just feels really weird to me. Because with this, people can harass other people very easily.

If you accused me of being a woman, AND it damaged me in some way that was legally actionable, I could sue.

If your defense was "Flops? She IS a woman!" Of course I would submit a DNA test and win my case.

I certainly woukd not expect the jury to decide based on me insisting that I'm NOT a woman (even if i stomped my foot on "not").

 

[MayorQuimby]

If you accused me of being a woman, AND it damaged me in some way that was legally actionable, I could sue.

If your defense was "Flops? She IS a woman!" Of course I would submit a DNA test and win my case.

I certainly woukd not expect the jury to decide based on me insisting that I'm NOT a woman (even if i stomped my foot on "not").

Then I guess it comes down to what the definition for defamation is, and how to determine if one's reputation has been damaged.

I mean, I can understand that if a man does not like it when people accuse him of being a woman, however, that does not automatically establish that his reputation has been harmed. To me, reputational harm/defamation is like, let's say you work as a gold-dealer. Now someone accuses you of putting base metal in your gold coins when you haven't been doing so, then yes, this would be actionable. But being accused of being woman is just annoying, it's not automatically damaging one's reputation.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Then I guess it comes down to what the definition for defamation is, and how to determine if one's reputation has been damaged.

I mean, I can understand that if a man does not like it when people accuse him of being a woman, however, that does not automatically establish that his reputation has been harmed. To me, reputational harm/defamation is like, let's say you work as a gold-dealer. Now someone accuses you of putting base metal in your gold coins when you haven't been doing so, then yes, this would be actionable. But being accused of being woman is just annoying, it's not automatically damaging one's reputation.

Good point.

I can see a sex symbol actress being harmed by such an accusation. But if the conventional leftie wisdom is that we can pick whether we are a man or a woman or something else anyway, what's the harm for a liberal politician's wife?

 

[MayorQuimby]

Good point.

I can see a sex symbol actress being harmed by such an accusation. But if the conventional leftie wisdom is that we can pick whether we are a man or a woman or something else anyway, what's the harm for a liberal politician's wife?

Thank you sir, and agreed.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Candice Owens lost me a long time ago. Ages just an opportunist

 

[Failzero]

Candice Owens lost me a long time ago. Ages just an opportunist

She hate them Jooooos

 

[BackAgain]

Unless it is libel or slander. Which in the case of Macron's wife and Obama's wife, it most certainly is.

Trump sues if someone hurts his feelings.

Michelle Obama has more class.

… and a penis.

 

[22lcidw]

She hate them Jooooos

She does not hate Jews. She cares more about African Americans then Jews. We can vote Republican and have some different views. Frankly, left wing Jews are more questionable than Owens will ever be. The Prog party seems to be moving into the direction of being anti-Israel.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

She does not hate Jews. She cares more about African Americans then Jews. We can vote Republican and have some different views. Frankly, left wing Jews are more questionable than Owens will ever be. The Prog party seems to be moving into the direction of being anti-Israel.

She called them DEMONIC

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[Zebra]

But Candice knows the statement to be false.
And she uttered it with the intent to cause mental anguish (malice)

So she's met the threshold of being liable for defaming a public figure.

so it is!

Candace is a mean person

 

[Seymour Flops]

But Candice knows the statement to be false.
And she uttered it with the intent to cause mental anguish (malice)

So she's met the threshold of being liable for defaming a public figure.

What is your proof that it is false, and what is the proof that Candance knows it to be false.

Also, why does it matter? I thought anyone who identifies is a woman according to European politicians and their European-like American counterparts.

 

[Zebra]

That doesn't sound right.

So....if I accuse you of being a woman, and you bring a suit against me. And now you have to provide evidence that you are not a woman? Maybe this is how it's supposed to work in a court, but it just feels really weird to me. Because with this, people can harass other people very easily.

you are right!

 

[Seymour Flops]

you are right!

This was my response to the Mayor:

If you accused me of being a woman, AND it damaged me in some way that was legally actionable, I could sue.

If your defense was "Flops? She IS a woman!" Of course I would submit a DNA test and win my case.

I certainly woukd not expect the jury to decide based on me insisting that I'm NOT a woman (even if i stomped my foot on "not").

As I said, the Macrons were hoping Owens would get scared and withdraw her claim.

Let me ask this: If Brigitte Macron was born male and later identified as female, Owens is dead on accurate, correct?

 

[Zebra]

This is what my chat assistant sourced:
Candace Owens Accuses the Macrons of Incest & Stolen Identity

Core allegations​

1. False claims about Brigitte Macron
   Owens publicly asserted—on X and via her eight‑part podcast Becoming Brigitte—that Brigitte Macron was biologically male, originally named Jean‑Michel Trogneux, and had stolen an identity Politico+12Straight Arrow News+12Financial Times+12.
2. Adding shocking conspiracies
   She further alleged incest in the Macron family and claimed Emmanuel was placed into power by a CIA or MKUltra‑style mind-control program The Economic Times+13Reuters+13The Independent+13The Daily Beast+6The Guardian+6New York Post+6.
3. Monetary motivations
   The suit alleges Owens used sensational claims to boost her profile, grow her podcast's reach, and make money—even producing branded merch mocking the Macrons AOL+15Politico+15The Guardian+15.
4. Ignoring retraction requests
   The Macrons issued three separate demands—first in December 2024 and again in January and July 2025—but Owens allegedly refused to retract, instead mocking them and doubling down The Guardian+5CBS News+5The Washington Post+5AOL+14Reuters+14The Guardian+14.

heavy!

 

[Seymour Flops]

This is what my chat assistant sourced:
Candace Owens Accuses the Macrons of Incest & Stolen Identity

Core allegations​

1. False claims about Brigitte Macron
   Owens publicly asserted—on X and via her eight‑part podcast Becoming Brigitte—that Brigitte Macron was biologically male, originally named Jean‑Michel Trogneux, and had stolen an identity Politico+12Straight Arrow News+12Financial Times+12.
2. Adding shocking conspiracies
   She further alleged incest in the Macron family and claimed Emmanuel was placed into power by a CIA or MKUltra‑style mind-control program The Economic Times+13Reuters+13The Independent+13The Daily Beast+6The Guardian+6New York Post+6.
3. Monetary motivations
   The suit alleges Owens used sensational claims to boost her profile, grow her podcast's reach, and make money—even producing branded merch mocking the Macrons AOL+15Politico+15The Guardian+15.
4. Ignoring retraction requests
   The Macrons issued three separate demands—first in December 2024 and again in January and July 2025—but Owens allegedly refused to retract, instead mocking them and doubling down The Guardian+5CBS News+5The Washington Post+5AOL+14Reuters+14The Guardian+14.

Where can I buy the merch mocking the Macrons?

 

[Zebra]

Brigitte has 3 children