Freedom wins...big government loses...Boeing Bill passes

[bripat9643]

No, but I am saying that in most industries, outcomes would be better from the perspective of workers if firms were unionized. You're certainly free to argue that we should care more about the perspective of businesses than workers, but it's not a free lunch.

Yeah, the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies proved how unions are such a greet boon for workers. I suppose they are if they can get the government to shake down the taxpayers for them.

 

[edjax1952]

Wait so companies can keep doing business without retribution web when they violate laws? That's not good.

Labors laws are just a license for unions to commit extortion.

what laws specifically?

Well I am not a legal scholar but , if my assumptions are right, the unions are saying that Boeing does not have a right to close down it's branch in Washinton and open one in The Carolina's because the branch in Washington has Union labor. This is because of possible loss of income by that union labor. That looks pretty close to extortion to me.

 

[daveman]

So forcing someone to join a union is better than letting them decide if they want to be in the union or not??

Being forced to be in a union is a freedom?? I'm so confused.

You know, like war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

 

[daveman]

At the expense of people in another state. Which will help his re-election.

Which is why I called it self-serving.

Glad to see we agree!

At the expense of what people?

DontBeStupid thinks Seattle union thugs are entitled to Boeing jobs.

"I know I saw it in the Constitution somewhere!!"

 

[bripat9643]

Being able to refuse to sign the contract doesn't mean the contract isn't coercive. If we're trapped in the desert and I have water, selling it to you on the condition that I get everything you own would still be coercive, even though you'd have the freedom to refuse it and die.

No, actually that wouldn't be coercive. Holding a gun on you is coercive. Being in a difficult spot is just that. If they guy with the water wasn't there, your only alternative would be dying. He's providing you with an option that you wouldn't otherwise have.

 

[bripat9643]

Because most states have effectively banned unions.

Well, if you outlaw extortion, then you've outlawed your conception of a union.

 

[Conservative]

Labors laws are just a license for unions to commit extortion.

what laws specifically?

Well I am not a legal scholar but , if my assumptions are right, the unions are saying that Boeing does not have a right to close down it's branch in Washinton and open one in The Carolina's because the branch in Washington has Union labor. This is because of possible loss of income by that union labor. That looks pretty close to extortion to me.

the gaping hole in the unions theory is that the plant was not shut down, and Boeing actually INCREASED jobs in that plant, in addition to building a plant in the second, non-union, location.

 

[bripat9643]

That's not true. States haven't given people the freedom of choice (they've had that all along). They've given people the right to take money out of the pockets of others.

Who is taking money out of who's pockets?

 

[Conservative]

Because most states have effectively banned unions.

Well, if you outlaw extortion, then you've outlawed your conception of a union.

I asked Polk for a link showing a single state that has banned unions.

He ran away from the thread.

 

[bripat9643]

Labors laws are just a license for unions to commit extortion.

Some labor laws give license to unions to commit extortion. Not all labor laws are bad for the public, some are good protections.

Such as?

 

[WillowTree]

Well at least on this issue we can remain a free republic.

The House of Representatives has passed a bill that would undermine the government's case accusing Boeing Co. of retaliating against union workers.

The measure, approved on a 238-186 vote, would limit the National Labor Relations Board's enforcement power by prohibiting the agency from ordering any employer to shut down plants or relocate work, even after a company had violated labor laws.

Republicans and their allies in the business community have criticized the National Labor Relations Board for more than a year as the agency issued a spate of union-friendly decisions and rules.

Read more: House Passes Bill To Limit Labor Relations Board Authority | Fox News

It will never get past Reid in the Senate. He'll sit on it like he has every GOP jobs proposal since 2008.

He'll sit on it til 2012,, then his ass is going to water the pmegrante trees fucking loser.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Also ...

South Carolina Republican Rep. Tim Scott, who sponsored the bill

Anyone find that a bit self serving?

no

 

[DontBeStupid]

At the expense of what people?

DontBeStupid thinks Seattle union thugs are entitled to Boeing jobs.

"I know I saw it in the Constitution somewhere!!"

Where in the Constitution does it say the rights of a company trump the rights of citizens?

 

[edjax1952]

Labors laws are just a license for unions to commit extortion.

Some labor laws give license to unions to commit extortion. Not all labor laws are bad for the public, some are good protections.

Such as?

The requirement of age to be employed in environments of a dangerous nature, such as construction jobs....reqirements are 18 or older.

 

[DontBeStupid]

So... I re-read this thread and unless I missed something, NO ONE has stated what the penalty would be for a company that breaks the law. Do any of you even know? Or are you honestly saying that no company will ever break the law, never, never, never?

 

[Conservative]

So... I re-read this thread and unless I missed something, NO ONE has stated what the penalty would be for a company that breaks the law. Do any of you even know? Or are you honestly saying that no company will ever break the law, never, never, never?

please specify the law in question.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Also ...

South Carolina Republican Rep. Tim Scott, who sponsored the bill

Anyone find that a bit self serving?

no

He sponsors a bill that will weaken the enforcement powers of a board that has national reach, all so he can get jobs for his state ... and you don't find that self-serving?

 

[edjax1952]

So... I re-read this thread and unless I missed something, NO ONE has stated what the penalty would be for a company that breaks the law. Do any of you even know? Or are you honestly saying that no company will ever break the law, never, never, never?

What law are you referring to so that we can make a reference.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Also ...

Anyone find that a bit self serving?

no

He sponsors a bill that will weaken the enforcement powers of a board that has national reach, all so he can get jobs for his state ... and you don't find that self-serving?

Every law is challenged on merits of specific case.

 

[Conservative]

So... I re-read this thread and unless I missed something, NO ONE has stated what the penalty would be for a company that breaks the law. Do any of you even know? Or are you honestly saying that no company will ever break the law, never, never, never?

What law are you referring to so that we can make a reference.

i think the question is too hard for him.