Freedom of Religious Opinion? Not If You're Phil Robertson

[Katzndogz]

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Wow, 38 pages of posts already.

I'm curious: Has anyone tried to explain precisely how punishing people and intimidating people, simply for saying what they're thinking, is going to open communication and heal the nasty divisions and animosities that plague our country?

Or does anyone really give a shit?

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If gays can effectively silence any opposition, they can claim to be the majority.

 

[asterism]

If having religious beliefs and having the guts to stand up for them is ignorant and hateful then a majority of the country is ignorant and hateful----and so were the founders of this country.

The ignorance and hate is coming from those of you on the left, who are determined to destroy anyone who does not comply with your statist politically correct bullshit.

You can say anything you want about Christians or white people, but say one negative thing about a gay, black, or a muslim and you are to be destroyed.

As I said in another thread, we are living in a very fucked up society. A society where good honest people are demonized and sexual deviants and exhibitionists are idolized.

The amount of bigotry and hatred expressed in this thread toward white southerners has been stunning.

So now its "white southerners" who are the victims?

You fools are so full of shit.

WHO really cares what the old fart said?

You do realize that the hit show actually gets ONLY 14 million viewers. (Like your alcoholic, drug addicted hero limbaugh) Compare that to the population of the US.

Believe me - nobody but you ignrernt haters give a **** about this non-issue and the show will go on, with said old ignernt redneck fart at the helm.

14 million viewers. Oh how MSNBC would love to have that many viewers spread across ALL of their shows.

 

[WelfareQueen]

And let me clear a few things up. I never profess to be correct in all things, and after continuing research in case law, contract law and labor law, Phil Robertson has a right to say what he wants, and A&E has a perfectly good right to suspend him under the law. However, I find fault with the contention he made his comments within the controlling interests of the company. GQ is an unaffiliated entity with A&E, and I perceive any actions performed outside of controlling interests of the company to be out of bounds and non regulated.

I acknowledge the rights of both parties. But I do take issue with the principles involved. I see one side teaching and preaching all things tolerance, but at the drop of a hat will excoriate someone for holding a specific racial or sexual view. That isn't tolerance. The same can be said for GLAAD. All they had to do was not pick up the latest issue of GQ, move on with their lives, not take down someone for expressing their viewpoints.

I have gay friends who simply tell me that they want to be left alone, they don't want to bring attention to themselves for their views on sexuality. I was listening to Eric Erickson last night on the radio, he told his viewers of a gay friend he has that proclaimed that GLAAD made his life harder on him for their expressions of intolerance to differentiating viewpoints.

Tolerance is the bigger issue here, not litigation or the law. Hypocrisy, bigotry, racism, and political correctness are all the bigger issues.

I have not commented on the legal aspects because I don't pretend to know all the legal ramifications. I really don't care. This is about class, race, and intolerance. The guy is clearly being punished for expressing his views. That seems very Un-American to me.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This should come as no surprise whatsoever to the sane people on the board:

It seems our Mr. Kormac had a much different opinion of employee's constitutional rights vs. employers' rights

when TK didn't like the content of what the employees were saying or doing:

From 3 months ago, subject, minimum wage protests:

TK:

"How about these fast food workers sit down and shut the hell up. If they want more pay, they need to go to college. I am not paying you 15 bucks an hour to flip burgers. I hope each and every one of them are fired for their little outburst. Maybe it will teach them to be happy with what they have."


Dance, pardner...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ort-the-fast-food-workers-20.html#post7774082

 

[asterism]

It is about punishing the guy plain and simple. He did not adhere to the PC orthodoxy. Therefore, he must he silenced and excommunicated. Nobody wants a real dialogue. This is not about encouraging free speech...it is about stifling free speech.

Yup.

The truly sad part is that if the Duckbots were smart they would have gone after the GLAAD "Gay Mafia" stunts in the marketplace of ideas and painted them as the bigots they are (just the GLAAD folks, not gay people in general).

But they overreached and misread their copies of the Constitution so now it's just a shitfest.

 

[Pogo]

Your phrase above is ignorant, racist, and hateful. You are as intolerant as anyone you attempt to dismiss.

luddy is a typical liberal-------full of hate and bullshit.

I am a southerner, so is my wife. We both have postgraduate degrees. Yankees on this message board seem to throw around a lot of racists and bigoted remarks regarding Southerners that are frankly offensive.


Cracker is racist and offensive. Redneck is racist and offensive. Knock it off.

You're a complete idiot. Is that offensive? Maybe. But it's true. If not, explain how "redneck" says or implies that one race is superior to another.

Idiot.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't agree with the guys views. But, they do seem to be his sincere religious beliefs. What is the big deal? He is not advocating violence or hatred against gays. Let it go people.

Then why did he compare it to bestiality?

Because it is also a choice of deviant sexual behavior... Much like murder is a crime and shoplifting is a crime, even if they are not exactly the same thing

Interesting

What about heterosexual oral sex?

 

[asterism]

luddy is a typical liberal-------full of hate and bullshit.

I am a southerner, so is my wife. We both have postgraduate degrees. Yankees on this message board seem to throw around a lot of racists and bigoted remarks regarding Southerners that are frankly offensive.


Cracker is racist and offensive. Redneck is racist and offensive. Knock it off.

You're a complete idiot. Is that offensive? Maybe. But it's true. If not, explain how "redneck" says or implies that one race is superior to another.

Idiot.

Is the term redneck used against people who are not white other than rarely?

If that's the case then as long as we have documented cases of people saying "white ******" does that make the term okay for use against black people?

 

[rightwinger]

Your phrase above is ignorant, racist, and hateful. You are as intolerant as anyone you attempt to dismiss.

luddy is a typical liberal-------full of hate and bullshit.

I am a southerner, so is my wife. We both have postgraduate degrees. Yankees on this message board seem to throw around a lot of racists and bigoted remarks regarding Southerners that are frankly offensive.


Cracker is racist and offensive. Redneck is racist and offensive. Knock it off.

Shut up you ******* Hillbilly

 

[WelfareQueen]

What a sad, angry little man. All you have is name calling. Very sad.


Here is the definition again. Let us know what you don't understand. Okay?


Redneck is a derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers, especially from the Southern United States.[1][2] It is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 2000s, the term had expanded in meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways,[7] and has often been used to attack white Southern conservatives. The term is used broadly to degrade working class and rural whites that are perceived by urban progressives to be insufficiently liberal.[8] At the same time, some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[9]

 

[WelfareQueen]

luddy is a typical liberal-------full of hate and bullshit.

I am a southerner, so is my wife. We both have postgraduate degrees. Yankees on this message board seem to throw around a lot of racists and bigoted remarks regarding Southerners that are frankly offensive.


Cracker is racist and offensive. Redneck is racist and offensive. Knock it off.

Shut up you ******* Hillbilly

Perfect.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What basic freedom is being attacked by me?

Despite what your party claims, "freedom of speech" is not the right to say what the party tells us to say.

You seek to destroy a man for stating views in a magazine interview that you don't agree with.

Queers are intolerant and attacking basic liberty. **** em'

At least you and most others on the right are consistent in your hate and ignorance.

No one's 'basic liberty' is being 'attacked.' This isn't a First Amendment, free speech issue.

 

[Mac1958]

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I'm curious: Has anyone tried to explain precisely how punishing people and intimidating people, simply for saying what they're thinking, is going to open communication and heal the nasty divisions and animosities that plague our country?

Or does anyone really give a shit?

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Anyone?

 

[rightwinger]

What a sad, angry little man. All you have is name calling. Very sad.


Here is the definition again. Let us know what you don't understand. Okay?


Redneck is a derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers, especially from the Southern United States.[1][2] It is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 2000s, the term had expanded in meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways,[7] and has often been used to attack white Southern conservatives. The term is used broadly to degrade working class and rural whites that are perceived by urban progressives to be insufficiently liberal.[8] At the same time, some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[9]

Listen Goober

You reap what you sow....that is in the Bible

In the case of Civil Rights, the south has sown hatred, terrorism, racism, lynching and subjugation of an entire class of citizens

Don't whine about how poor southerners are characterized

 

[peach174]

I don't agree with the guys views. But, they do seem to be his sincere religious beliefs. What is the big deal? He is not advocating violence or hatred against gays. Let it go people.

Then why did he compare it to bestiality?

He didn't, he was talking about all sins.

 

[TemplarKormac]

luddy is a typical liberal-------full of hate and bullshit.

I am a southerner, so is my wife. We both have postgraduate degrees. Yankees on this message board seem to throw around a lot of racists and bigoted remarks regarding Southerners that are frankly offensive.


Cracker is racist and offensive. Redneck is racist and offensive. Knock it off.

Shut up you ******* Hillbilly

Oooh, how tolerant.

 

[Uncensored2008]

At least you and most others on the right are consistent in your hate and ignorance.

No one's 'basic liberty' is being 'attacked.' This isn't a First Amendment, free speech issue.

The left portrays rights as privilege granted by our benevolent rulers out of the goodness of their hearts.

Of course civil rights are not granted by government, they can only be infringed by government.

The Ku Klux Klan, though part of the Democratic Party, was not a government entity, yet sane people recognize that what the KKK did was an infringement of civil rights. Sane people grasp that civil rights can be violated by non-government entities.

The campaign of demagoguery against Phil Robertson is typical of the intimidation tactics that define the shameful democrats. Any expression that is at odds with DNC dogma is met with an onslaught of slander and libel from a hundred directions by the party press, with the intent of destroying the person and reputation of the victim.

Of course it is a civil rights issue, and you are at war to end civil rights - as is the left in general.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This should come as no surprise whatsoever to the sane people on the board:

It seems our Mr. Kormac had a much different opinion of employee's constitutional rights vs. employers' rights

when TK didn't like the content of what the employees were saying or doing:

From 3 months ago, subject, minimum wage protests:

TK:

"How about these fast food workers sit down and shut the hell up. If they want more pay, they need to go to college. I am not paying you 15 bucks an hour to flip burgers. I hope each and every one of them are fired for their little outburst. Maybe it will teach them to be happy with what they have."


Dance, pardner...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ort-the-fast-food-workers-20.html#post7774082

Sure, I was acknowledging the employers right to fire them for not working, a condition they agreed to when they began work. Their actions were motivated by pure greed. They should be fired, they violated the trust of their employers and showed a wanton lack of gratefulness for the jobs and money they were earning. I have zero tolerance for ungratefulness and open displays of defiance, I have more tolerance for freedom of opinion. I stand by that opinion 100%. I acknowledge the fact A&E has the same right to suspend someone for having an opinion. As preposterous and outlandish as I may see it.

And by the way, I can't dance to save my life, pardner.

 

[WelfareQueen]

What a sad, angry little man. All you have is name calling. Very sad.


Here is the definition again. Let us know what you don't understand. Okay?


Redneck is a derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers, especially from the Southern United States.[1][2] It is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 2000s, the term had expanded in meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways,[7] and has often been used to attack white Southern conservatives. The term is used broadly to degrade working class and rural whites that are perceived by urban progressives to be insufficiently liberal.[8] At the same time, some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[9]

Listen Goober

You reap what you sow....that is in the Bible

In the case of Civil Rights, the south has sown hatred, terrorism, racism, lynching and subjugation of an entire class of citizens

Don't whine about how poor southerners are characterized

Girlfriend...the North has been just as complicit in racism in America as the South. Ben Franklin owned slaves. Alexander Hamilton owned slaves. Jim Crow became the law of the Land via a Supreme Court decision Plessy vs Ferguson. The majority opinion was written by a justice from Massachusetts.

Plessy v. Ferguson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Racism is an American problem....not a southern problem. To say otherwise is both ignorant and bigoted.

 

[Pogo]

I am a southerner, so is my wife. We both have postgraduate degrees. Yankees on this message board seem to throw around a lot of racists and bigoted remarks regarding Southerners that are frankly offensive.


Cracker is racist and offensive. Redneck is racist and offensive. Knock it off.

You're a complete idiot. Is that offensive? Maybe. But it's true. If not, explain how "redneck" says or implies that one race is superior to another.

Idiot.

Is the term redneck used against people who are not white other than rarely?

If that's the case then as long as we have documented cases of people saying "white ******" does that make the term okay for use against black people?

Doesn't matter. It doesn't express or imply a belief that one race is superior or inferior, therefore it cannot be defined as "racist".

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
1.
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.